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“We say go stuff your acceptable level”

- June 20th, 2012

You know how you know when a city’s noise bylaw is antiquated?

When the acts from a folk festival exceed the allowable decibel level.

A rock concert would be one thing, but a folk festival? Really?

I’m thinking maybe this bylaw needs to be changed.

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18 comments

  1. Antideluvian ? says:

    Perhaps what’s dated is the need for pop musicians to make noise and vibrations that reach far beyond the intended audience.
    Why should moneymakers like this override the rights of thel local ratepayers, the families, those neighbourhoods?
    Not too many complaints with old bandstand concerts in Victoria Park. but is it still a suitable location in for this trpe of instrument ?
    Is it possible the insensitivity is in part due to the drummer mayor having diminished hearing beyond that of his age group?
    As for offending the local people for a charity, what is the special right of those local organizers ? We can give without being assaulted for the tourism trade.

  2. Festival finances over folks sez Fontana says:

    Some priorities the non-resident mayor of London has !
    A clear message not to come here and certainly not to settle in the central area. Why is Fontana so cozy with the organizers ?
    If he is so keen on a good cause, let him write a personal cheque and not make residents/electors/ratepayers “pay the price” of living here.

  3. questions says:

    Can you guess what just died? The spirit of celebration, youth, exuberance.

    Can you guess what just got stamped out? The love of creativity, the love of music, the love of vitality.

    Why is it always such a battle, such a pathetic, misguided antipathy toward protecting heritage, cherishing artists and artistic activity, celebrating the gift of the arts in this backwater town? .

  4. a says:

    @questions….Don’t despair, There is still hope…..There’s always an opportunity to support that famous Mime Festival–Sounds of Silence..

  5. gil says:

    I say, Dan Brown, that you do not live in London and you have no say in this. You do not live in the neighbourhoods where these events are held so you have no say in this. You do not have to have your peace interfered with by the noise of events you would never attend so – wait for it – you have no say in this. If I can hear the sound in Victoria Park – three blocks away with high rise buildings and multi story dwellings between the park and my home – I think it’s just about loud enough for anyone attending and standing right in front of the bandshell. London downtown is a residential area and there are tens of thousands people who want to have the great quality of life in our neighbourhoods and great quality of life doesn’t consist of loud noise. I think that as you live the rural life you might have thought of how you would like it if we set up a loud event right across from your home. You must be buddies with Fontana who also is not a London resident/taxpayer and doesn’t give a rat’s about, or a thought about, the real reason London Downtown is not quite the slum the developers have been trying to turn it into – the residents who like their homes just like they are.
    To “questions” I say if you think that vitality and creativity must be accompanied by deafening loud noise then prepare for a middle age wearing hearing aids and yelling “what?” whenever anyone says anything to you. When did the young become such pathetic and thoughtless goofballs? You will be our age too – that’s the truth.

  6. Park performance promoters profiting says:

    Our “heritage’ of rock bands from out of town making big bucks at local homeowners’ expense ?
    The performers aren’t even youthful anymore, just leftovers from the ’70s, dreary enthusiasms of now-aging guys.
    As for built heritage conservation, our record is good if one has kept up on it, thanks to knowledgeable
    volunteers dating back to the 1960s. It’s now a political and even commercial value. Ignorance, not apathy, is
    the problem in the public now.

  7. Charlotte says:

    I can appreciate the ‘Not In My BackYard’ factor.

    All the same… if you don’t like what’s in your back yard, then find another one, don’t hold everyone else hostage because you have no sense of community.

  8. Not neighbour says:

    They don’t make money for the city so why as a taxpayer who lives far away from the sites have to deal with the sound? It is not just a problem for next door neighbours, it is a sound that can be heard kilometers away. How is that right? There is a damn arena we all paid for. If the Mayor who doesn’t hear well wants a louder noise, he can pay for these bands (who do make money) to play inside.

  9. 'Everyone else' inconvenienced ? says:

    Oh Charlotte , re NIMBY,would you and your family sell your home
    and change children’s schools just to accommodate commercial
    entertainment on publicly owned property ?
    Sense of ‘community in London being paying toattend rock concerts?
    Give us your address and we will provide a noisy “community event”
    on your street late at night and see how long it takes for you to call
    the police.
    Bethany’s Hope charity is the corporation that lacks a sense of
    community as far as we can see. Is the rock concert in the area
    of the city where their staff live?
    There is absolutely no need to crank up the sound so it invades the
    space of those not interested in the entertainment enriching others.

  10. Jay Menard says:

    Gil,

    Are you seriously going to say that, because Dan doesn’t live downtown, he has no right to an opinion? Really? If so, I hope you are this vociferous in your criticism of those who do not meet your exacting standards of having a right to free speech. I may have missed it, but I don’t believe I’ve seen you chastising those old, white males protesting abortions that they’ll never have outside of the hospital; I must have missed your denigration of those non-university-aged Quebecers who have joined the “Casserole” protests.

    That type of “you don’t know what you’re talking about” attitude is exactly the old world thinking that keeps holding London back. This medium-sized city, with big-city aspirations, is regularly held back by small-town thinking. We grow by listening to all opinions and debating them on their merit — not their geographic origin.

    When I lived in Montreal (wait, I was away from London for about 15 years of my life… perhaps I shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion), I lived near the areas where there were frequent evening festivals and activity. In our youth, we wanted to be close to a vibrant, exciting downtown. As our priorities changed, we moved to quieter areas. But, suffice to say, we’d have been comfortable staying and putting up with the noise.

    A little noise once in a while is a good thing. It’s a sign of a vibrant city. You want absolute silence, you’ll end up getting what Downtown London has long been accused of being — a graveyard. Perhaps those two new buildings downtown shouldn’t be called the Renaissance — rather, it may be more apt to call them The Tombstones.

    It’s not about young versus old (and young people were likely loud and obnoxious when you were young too), as you seem to indicate. I know many people older than I who love a good concert — and these are people with disposable income who usually have no interest in going downtown.

    If this was every night, I understand. It’s weekends and for festivals. If you have an argument against why this is in the greater good for the city, I’d be willing to hear it. But I certainly wouldn’t be so arrogant as to denounce your beliefs simply because of who you are or where you live. Ideas are ideas. By forcing people to pass various tests to meet your approval, you may be missing out on a lot of great ideas.

  11. a says:

    Everyone is so sanctimonious on both sides of the “noise” question arising from Harris Park and Victoria Park, but nobody ever gives consideration to what the lower-income neighbourhoods around the Western Fair have always had to put up with.

    Has anyone ever spoken up against the poor judgment of allowing a loud Raceway facility, a highly traficked Fair and Exhibiltion facility, a Gambling and Sports and Agricultural Shows facility to exist in the middle of a residential neighbourhood (trucks, heavy equipment, RV trailers (with sleepovers) livestock traipsing through one’s neighbourhood at all hours with no recourse, and absolutely no barrier whatsoever?

    And what about the “noise” around area schools and UWO’s JW Little Field. Let’s not forget the trucks barrelling around Kellogg’s and the major noise producers in the city given free reign…the railroads, .

  12. question says:

    Does this mean we won’t be able to celebrate New Year’s in the Park?..I guess we’ll probably need to set off the fireworks before the 11 pm curfew.

  13. The issue is the deliberate loud music says:

    for money and Council’s views on those particular organizers.
    If other area’s have issues before Council re these ongoing sounds
    at the moment we’ve not heard of them.
    The New Year’s free public event, when householders are inside, not
    relaxing on their patios, is a separate issue. You could check with the
    organizers -Ed Holder’s usually one- about any problems with the
    surrounding neighbourhoods.
    Perhaps a look at the noise bylaw would clarify things for you.
    - was the Fair always in a built up area – it goes back to pre-London
    days as do the railroad…

  14. Charlotte says:

    @’Everyone else’ inconvenienced ?

    If you don’t want the fun in your backyard, that’s fine. I get it.

    Where do you want it?

    How about in a central location with easy access to public transportation and a fine selection of dining? Where do we find those places in London?

    Hint: not my back yard.

    Now, if you want to tear down residential housing and put in a central gathering area in my backyard, then I’ll have to consider if I want to stay or go. (Probably go. I did choose a place that specifically isn’t busy.)

  15. pinkypie says:

    @ gil says: I’m from St. Thomas and I’m going to express an opinion so if you don’t like it…don’t look!!!!!

    I think raising the decibel level is the right thing to do, but make sure they strictly stick to the cut off time, which IMO should be 11pm with certain exceptions (perhaps New Years for example). The 11pm comes from being an old fogey and wanting to be able to enjoy the “Channel 10 News”, so I know where they are coming from LOL!!! That way, although the “noise” will be most unpleasant, I’m sure the neighbours will survive but at least they’ll know that the end is coming. The rest, and what I’m sure are the majority, can enjoy the music. “Once and old fogey, always an old fogey, so enjoy the music while you can :-)”

  16. a says:

    @ The issue is the deliberate …

    Well, evething was once “pre-London days” wasn’t it? Obviously that is an ad absurdum argument trying to justify not demanding change from some of the worst noise offenders. If there is a “grand-father clause” as you seem to suggest, then it could also be argued the old military garrison/parade grounds that were once established on the Victoria Park location were certainly noisier than anything that has been booked for a performance since.

    P.S. let’s not forget the city’s Fife and Drum and Bagpipe parades….not easy to sleep through those either now is it?

  17. nflfan says:

    Home County has been in Victoria Park for over 35 years. Seems pretty historical to me with that longevity. Not 100% sure but I think Home County’s been having shows in Vicotira Park longer than the New Years Eve shows have been there? BTW, I love the argument that New Years doesn’t count. Very convenient :-), but a rationalization is still a rationalization, regardless of what time of the year. Also, we’ll have to move the Santa Claus parade back to daytime and tell Santa and those noisy kids to shut the hell up :-) .
    Once or twice a year, I put up with noise and have to cleanup after others who invade my neighbourhood. It’s called Victoria Day and Canada Day shows at Byron Optimist Park. It was going on long before I moved to this neighbourhood and I accept the inconvenience as part of life.
    For those whoi live near the sites of the 3 summer shows and have objections to the noise, I submit that if this were going on every weekend or were actually late at night (I don’t consider 11:00 on a weekend to be late personally), you might have a point with me. Isolated concerts which draw tourists to our cities and which help to support jobs, etc. are a good thing and are to be encouraged vs. discouraged.
    This notion of,”if we went back to big band music” is cute but it somewhat supports the steriotype of old fuddy-duddies with too much time on their hands and I hope that’s not the case.
    I think this whole debate is a bit like the issue of crime such as prositution. We all know it goes on and no one wants to live in such an area but if you revitalize one area, the issue goes somewhere else. Perhaps you’d like all those outdoor festivals to move away from your homes? If you keep pushing this quiet agenda, they will move…to Kitchener, Windsor, etc. who might be more supportive of such events. Then you’d have your “peace and quiet”.

  18. question says:

    People talk about noise pollution, but what about smell pollution? What if I’m offended by the sight and smell of animal flesh roasting at the various food festivals and Rib Fest.

    BBQ smoke and cooking smoke travels just as far as music on festival days at Victoria Park, Springbank or during Western Fair, but this wafting polluion is a lot more noxious and toxic both to individuals and the environment.

    Lets ban all kinds of pollution, not just noise pollution from our parks.

    Don’t get me started on duck and bird pollution too….

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