Karen Stintz’s “Tax Attack” Battleplan

- June 27th, 2012

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The OneCity Transit plan TTC chair Karen Stintz will roll out Wednesday at City Hall

TTC chair Karen Stintz has been laying the track for this OneCity transit tax plan for a while.

Stintz is set to roll out the plan publicly at City Hall today (story here) and council would be voting to start city staff on working on it next month.

That’s the real surprise in Stintz’s transit move – she’s already got the necessary motions on various spots of the July council meeting’s agenda to ensure this could happen sooner rather than later.

If Stintz tried to walk the move on the council agenda as a member’s motion it would require a two-thirds vote – a high bar she might not have the votes for – but she won’t need to do that.

Motions passed at several committees, the Toronto and East York Community Council and even at Mayor Rob Ford’s own executive  are all already on track to be on the council agenda. That means Stintz will only need a simple majority of councillors on board to ram this plan through. It will happen and then the plan will be in the hands of city staff to study and report back in October.

Here’s the rundown on where and when the seemingly innocuous motions were passed:

June 12 – Executive committee

Mayor Rob Ford’s own executive committee voted earlier this month to have city staff work with Metrolinx and other levels of government to look at ways to fund transit. It’s approval at executive means it’ll be on council’s agenda in July and could even be amended to focus it on having staff explore Stintz’s transit tax idea. This item was on the agenda from a member’s motion Councillor Josh Matlow brought forward ages ago.

Here’s what Ford’s committee approved:

City Council request the City Manager to engage and participate with Metrolinx in establishing a working group of appropriate officials representing the City of Toronto, Greater Golden Horseshoe municipalities, the Ontario Ministry of Transportation, the Ontario Ministry of Finance, the Ontario Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing, and any other relevant bodies to provide input into the preparation of a funding strategy for the Metrolinx regional transit plan.

June 13 – Toronto and East York Community Council

Councillor Pam McConnell successfully got the community council to endorse the East Bayfront LRT as a “priority project” and urge all transit authorities and levels of government to find a way to build it. Here’s the motion:

City Council identify the East Bayfront LRT line as an added priority project and encourage the TTC, Metrolinx, and the federal and provincial governments to investigate ways and means to facilitate the construction of the East Bayfront LRT at the earliest opportunity.

June 18 – Planning and Growth committee

Stintz – a member of the planning committee – added two items to the committee’s agenda last week that were quickly and quietly passed with little if any debate.

The first item asked city staff to include transit priorities in any official plan review. If approved by council next month, the motion orders city staff to work with TTC staff to develop a list of transit priorities. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess she’ll want staff to look at the lines in her OneCity plan and formally adopt them as transit priorities. Here’s Stintz’s motion:

City Council request that the Acting Chief Planner and Executive Director of City Planning work collaboratively with the Toronto Transit Commission to develop a list of transit priorities, to be approved by City Council, and that these priorities be included in the Official Plan review.

The second item the planning committee approved was support for the East Bayfront LRT. Stintz has said that transit line would be #2 on the priority list of lines to be funded by the new transit tax, second only to replacing the Scarborough RT with an extension of the Bloor-Danforth subway line. Councillors on the committee endorsed the East Bayfront LRT as a priority for the city’s transit network and asked staff to report back in October with a way to fund the line’s construction.

June 20 – Economic development committee

At this committee meeting, Councillor Josh Colle walked on a transit-related motion. If approved by council, this would start city staff on doing the research to make the economic case for the OneCity plan and the tax increase that comes with it.

The committee voted to direct economic development staff to include the following in the city’s economic growth plan:

a) an analysis of the impact of traffic congestion on the City’s economy;

b) a review of the City’s transportation hubs and ports and their importance to Toronto’s economy;

c) the need for a goods movement strategy for the City;

d) the importance of a comprehensive transit plan and transportation funding strategies for the City; and

e) a review of employment hub development and employee mobility issues in the City of Toronto.

 

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20 comments

  1. JANE DOE says:

    We do not want LRTs in Etobicoke…Unfair to tax homeowners for this project..BOONDOOGLE…I DO NOT TRUST KAREN STINTZ FOR THE OTHER USELESS LEFTIE COUNCILLORS WHO ARE SCARING AWAY FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES….RESIGN KAREN STINTZ…YOU ARE INCOMPETENT AND HAVE MISLEAD TORONTO TAXPAYERS AND VOTERS.

  2. whatafoolbelieves says:

    I find it rather amusing that the Exec Committee approved a motion originated by Matlow and seconded by Stintz that could be used to further the One City agenda. Wonder what other surprises the Responsible Government Faction has planted in the Exec Committee’s agenda?

  3. Wilma de Bruyn says:

    Regarding this “One City” transit plan…….please read the following meanings……

    a.)Taxpayer:a person who pays or is required by law to do so;
    b.)Tax Rate:the rate of taxation on property, income etc.;

    And the final meaning is the clincher:
    c.)Bloodsucker:leech,2.)a person who gets all he can from others.

    This “One City Plan”, may all mean well, but only on another planet…..
    Dream on Karen Stintz.

  4. Chandra says:

    I think the whole sordid mess should be taken over by a GTA wide Transit Commission. It could be chaired by the Minister of Transportation or an appropriate party at the Provincial level. May be directly elect such a commission chair. The Province must provide funding for such transportation system, which should be underground, high capacity and rapid and intercity. City of Toronto is very arbitrary. We need to readjust boundaries. GO Transit is a little too regional in character. So the party chosen must represent provincial interests in keeping with local city interests, and not the city of Toronto alone which obviously will have a good representation. Travel by transit does not end at our boundaries. Let us not ‘parochialize’ transit. That is the part of the reason we have congestion. That issue is very serious.

    We cannot attempt to draw up a plan solely on the basis of Toronto where the councilors cannot think beyond their parish.

    I fear city of Toronto councilors will badly mess the thing up because they cannot think beyond their own box. That was the problem with Miller in part. He could not control the council so he let it run on his own.

    They shut down the request by Richmond Hill to link to TTC rather than welcoming it. That to me serves as a prime example as to what is wrong with our parochial thinking.

    We need a good management model. The present one is not.

  5. Chandra says:

    It might be useful to create a GTA commission consisting of reps from Vaughan, Markham, Mississauga, and Toronto. That might include direct representation from Richmond Hill for instance. In other words area municipalities should be right in center of the thing.

    In turn Burlington can create Mississauga, Oakville, and Hamilton as members of their commission.

    The city of Toronto commission can be accused of too many cooks spoiling the broth by dancing around the transit issue. Too many frogs in a small pond.

    We need some sanity here.

    I think that Province is not thinking very much about the issue.

  6. Wilma de Bruyn says:

    TTC proposed plan………only good for another planet.

  7. JL says:

    . Karen and Glen need to go back on their meds; their need for attention and drama has become way too much
    . Why would taxpayers trust this bunch to actually get this work done within the budget allotted to them and once these taxes start they will never stop
    . Karen and Glen need to think about the ever growing amount of seniors who will have have a cushy government indexed plan to live on in the next 20 years and will have to find a way to pay their taxes on fixed incomes
    . Please do not insist you are not running for mayor Karen. Yes you are.
    . If you wanted subways in the first place then why was this plan not brought forward to the mayor when you were “throwing him under the bus” six months ago on this very subject.

  8. Wilma de Bruyn says:

    This of course is the “real pipe dream”……..
    a.)Federal level…collect the $250million from this scandal.
    b.)Provincial level…..collect the monies from EHealth scandal.
    c.)Provincial level…..collect the monies from the Ornge scandal…oops still in progress.
    (over 5 years, it appears…$730million?)
    d.How about Ghost licenses?
    e..)Municipal level…..the computer scandal.
    Anymore more scandals that never reached the surface……probably…..there is the money for transit.
    Anyone gone to jail? Perhaps house arrest or “not feeling well, don’t remember, it’s to vague, want to spend more time with my family….endless excuses and no results……the only result is higher taxes, and taxed to the max.

  9. Chandra says:

    I agree with Chiarelli that it is good to have such discussions, however, she is showing mentally an unstable state of mind. She is vacillating. She should have been more sober but then she became impulsive, went deaf and drove the agenda against the mayor’s wishes and it became a problem.

    I do think however we need a newly constituted transit commission which includes Vaughan (such as Richmond Hill), Markham, Mississauga as members. We want to consider cross boundary travel.

    As far as taxes go we cannot let the public sector take over the whole of our economy. Increasing public sector means less efficient economy, inflation and less economic growth, unemployment and host of other problems.

    That is the problem with McCallion, Josh Matlow, Mihevic and others who just keep forgetting that time for sober thinking was before the city council doing what it did. That is defy the will of the people.

    Yes ideas are important but then don’t defy the process and conduct a mutinous take over.

    I think Stintz should step down.

    I think the mayor should consider reconstituting the commission to include contiguous municipalities with whom we trade passengers.

    Even if this is informal we can get their input, and hope that something comes out of it down the road.

  10. Wilma de Bruyn says:

    “Good example of “Double speak.”

    “The reason we budget for overtime is because in the end it is less expensive to do overtime and to have people do overtime than it is to hire additional employees to do the necessary work,” Ross said. “That’s why overtime can appear to be so high, but in the end it is actually cheaper because if you don’t do it, then you’re not going to meet service.”

    1. And how many hours after and 8 hour shift does the individual work overtime?
    2. What about fatigue after so many hours, some positions are not just watching trains go by.
    3. And what are the figures if other individual’s did the “overtime”? What is the difference in those
    figures?
    Are these jobs for life? With so many unemployed, one would think of fresh replacements pretrained, and given a chance to earn good money, and not just minimum wage. There is a lot of talent out there as well in the public as well.

  11. JANE DOE says:

    They promised to build a subway to Sherway Gardens…They lied…This link is vital to Mississauga and the Airport…..It means less people driving their cars…They treat Etobicoke residents like 2nd class citizens..Why tax just homeowners….? Tax everyone one you mean spirited incompetent discriminatory liberal witch./

  12. Lawrie D says:

    Chandra
    1. You are right there should be GTA commission. We have one the Metrolinx. But what has it done for Toronto till date.
    2. For the first time Stinz has come up with a comprehensive plan that is doable. Unlike Ford who has a one subway line plan that has no funding. Where are the private investors, who were lining up to fund the subway. He is the one who is unstable and has to step down.
    3. This funding plan would raise $7.5 m by Toronto. The province has already committed 8 m. $15.5 million is a good start for the project. The Feds would have to chip in after all they are collecting 10 cents for every litre of fuel that we consume as tax and the Provins collects more than 14 cents
    4. Stinz has the maturity and the leadership to convince politicians to chip in. In spite of what the Ford brothers have said against her, she has kept her cool and has still not opened her mouth against them. ho is unstable
    5. We Torontorians have to understand one thing, we badly need a transit system and we have to pay for it. If we depend on ford we will never have a transit system. He has done nothing till date. Is Stinz’s plan perfect, it is not. But it is a good starting point. Even she said that this is a proposal. She and her team are open to constructive suggestions. 2% increase in property taxes is a small price to pay for transit. I hope the Mayors from Markham, Mississauga, Vaughn, Milton, the entire GTA get together and form a pressure group to get the funding for a comprehensive GTA transit plan from the Feds and the Province after all they are together collecting more than 14 cents per litre of fuel from us
    I will vote for her if she stands for Mayor

  13. Chandra says:

    I agree with you Wilma. The whole matter stinks. They have unionized jobs, so outside part timers are not allowed to work at a competitive wage.

    I wonder if Competition Bureau of Canada has anything to say about such stupid and restrictive labor practices.

    Oh! Yes remember if you want to win a city contract then you must pay union wages, in order to keep those fat cats happy.

    No wonder companies have left for better opportunities in China where labor is cheap, people work hard thereby creating unemployment here in Canada. But the government steps in and bails out the unemployed by subsidies. However, in TTC you cannot pack and leave for China.

    We are heading for poverty in Canada, courtesy of these stupid unions. Though unions were supposed to raise our standard of living by creating a middle class. They went too far!

    I bet Wilma you wait and see. We will be taken over by China as a colony down the road once they get hold of our energy resources by their financial power.

    I am already seeing a Malaysian company buying out an energy company for more than 5 billion dollars.

    Our strategic energy reserves are for sale to the highest bidder.

    Soon enough these union bosses might end up with a hammer and sickle to pick crops from the grain fields in China feeding the masses.

  14. Chandra says:

    Lawrie:

    That is why we have subway related development going to Vaughan despite the odds regarding density argument while we are arguing where the money will come from and should come from. Stinkz completely ignored the issue as she could have used that as a model to emulate. She did not know any better. You are once again wanting taxes to pay for everything. Yes, taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes….! Everyone has an idea for what they want taxes to do. We are already taxed to death and I don’t want Stinkz and her ideas which go farther than what even Rob considered in his vision. Ford defended human rights of Scarbarians while councilors under Stinkz leadership violated them by denying the immigrant community there a fast, safe, efficient and comfortable service. These ignorant white downtown politicians, patronizing politicians elsewhere and managers and planners of the government ignored principle of equality of opportunity for all, which is written into the charter of rights and freedoms, and our human rights code. Scarbarians who are newer immigrants are not third class citizens. That is what the council voted agaisnt. I say shame on TTC. I hope Scarbarians remember their voting record and force them out of office during next election. Too bad Stinkz is not from Scarborough neither does she have a city wide mandate.

    Stinkz even referred to a secret report which Webster gave Rob Ford, which again was based on density driven demand criteria which something a planner would use, but not a business man. That is the crucial difference between a planner and a business man. People are so stupid to assume that they have full grasp of reality. I was glad to see Webster leave. He was a union man from what I hear. I am not against unions.

    What we want is to see the very socialist councilors who voted for her rebellion to get a reality check. We don’t live in the old times when wealth was plenty. Now it has shifted to the third world and Alberta. we just can’t tax people and to increase the size of the burgeoning public sector which will lead to economic disaster given the state of debt and deficits. Lawrie: you have completely ignored reality. Stintz is ignorant of economic reality out there, and as far as I am concerned unfit for this particular job.

    Tax money? We need to control debt and deficit which the city has, the province has and the feds have, which will take years to get rid off. Taxes…hmm…what are our priorities Lawrie? Dream on! Lawrie the world does not revolve around Karen Stinkz and her dream world. It is much bigger than her capacity to grasp.

    Mayor ford has a good grasp of reality that is out there.

    How can you impose yet another tax when we are in dire straits at all levels?

    Were Stintz to run for Mayor and succeed, we would be in dire straits. Her her policy has already been subject of rebuke by the Minister. as he pointed out it is good for debate but she needs a reality check — away from the TTC…

  15. Chandra says:

    Lawrie:

    That is why we have subway related development going to Vaughan despite the odds regarding density argument while we are arguing where the money will come from and should come from. Stinkz completely ignored the issue as she could have used that as a model to emulate. She did not know any better. You are once again wanting taxes to pay for everything. Yes, taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes….! Everyone has an idea for what they want taxes to do. We are already taxed to death and I don’t want Stinkz and her ideas which go farther than what even Rob considered in his vision. Ford defended human rights of Scarbarians while councilors under Stinkz leadership violated them by denying the immigrant community there a fast, safe, efficient and comfortable service. These ignorant white downtown politicians, patronizing politicians elsewhere and managers and planners of the government ignored principle of equality of opportunity for all, which is written into the charter of rights and freedoms, and our human rights code. Scarbarians who are newer immigrants are not third class citizens. That is what the council voted against. I say shame on TTC. I hope Scarbarians remember their voting record and force them out of office during next election. Too bad Stinkz is not from Scarborough neither does she have a city wide mandate.

    Stinkz even referred to a secret report which Webster gave Rob Ford, which again was based on density driven demand criteria which something a planner would use, but not a business man. That is the crucial difference between a planner and a business man. People are so stupid to assume that they have full grasp of reality. I was glad to see Webster leave. He was a union man from what I hear. I am not against unions.

    What we want is to see the very socialist councilors who voted for her rebellion to get a reality check. We don’t live in the old times when wealth was plenty. Now it has shifted to the third world and Alberta. we just can’t tax people and to increase the size of the burgeoning public sector which will lead to economic disaster given the state of debt and deficits. Lawrie: you have completely ignored reality. Stintz is ignorant of economic reality out there, and as far as I am concerned unfit for this particular job.

    Tax money? We need to control debt and deficit which the city has, the province has and the feds have, which will take years to get rid off. Taxes…hmm..what are our priorities Lawrie? Dream on! Lawrie the world does not revolve around Karen Stinkz and her dream world. It is much bigger than her capacity to grasp.

    Mayor ford has a good grasp of reality that is out there.

    How can you impose yet another tax when we are in dire straits at all levels?

    Were Stinkz to run for Mayor and succeed, we would be in dire straits. Her her policy has already been subject of rebuke by the Minister. as he pointed out it is good for debate but she needs a reality check — away from the TTC asylum…

  16. Chandra says:

    Lawrie:

    That is why we have subway related development going to Vaughan despite the odds regarding density argument while we are arguing where the money will come from and should come from. Stintz completely ignored the issue as she could have used that as a model to emulate. She did not know any better. You are once again wanting taxes to pay for everything. Yes, taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes….! Everyone has an idea for what they want taxes to do. We are already taxed to death and I don’t want Stintz and her ideas which go farther than what even Rob considered in his vision. Ford defended human rights of Scarbarians while councilors under Stintz leadership violated them by denying the immigrant community there a fast, safe, efficient and comfortable service. These ignorant downtown politicians, patronizing politicians elsewhere and managers and planners of the government ignored principle of equality of opportunity for all, which is written into the charter of rights and freedoms, and our human rights code. Scarbarians who are newer immigrants are not third class citizens. That is what the council voted agaisnt. I say shame on TTC. I hope Scarbarians remember their voting record and force them out of office during next election. Too bad Stintz is not from Scarborough neither does she have a city wide mandate.

    Stintz even referred to a secret report which Webster gave Rob Ford, which again was based on density driven demand criteria which something a planner would use, but not a business man. That is the crucial difference between a planner and a business man. People are so ignorant to assume that they have full grasp of reality. I was glad to see Webster leave. He was a union man from what I hear. I am not against unions.

    What we want is to see the very socialist councilors who voted for her rebellion to get a reality check. We don’t live in the old times when wealth was plenty. Now it has shifted to the third world and Alberta. we just can’t tax people and to increase the size of the burgeoning public sector which will lead to economic disaster given the state of debt and deficits. Lawrie: you have completely ignored economic reality. Stintz is ignorant of economic reality out there.

    Tax money? We need to control debt and deficit which the city has, the province has and the feds have, which will take years to get rid off. Taxes…hmm…what are our priorities Lawrie? Dream on! Lawrie the world does not revolve around Karen Stintz and her dream world. It is much bigger than her capacity to grasp.

    Mayor ford has a good grasp of reality that is out there.

    How can you impose yet another tax when we are in dire straits at all levels?

    Were Stintz to run for Mayor and succeed, we would be in dire straits. Her policy has already been subject of rebuke by the Minister. as he pointed out it is good for debate but she needs a reality check — away from the TTC asylum she is running!

  17. Chandra says:

    Lawrie:

    That is why we have subway related development going to Vaughan despite the odds regarding density argument while we are arguing where the money will come from and should come from. Stintz completely ignored the issue as she could have used that as a model to emulate. She did not know any better. You are once again wanting taxes to pay for everything. Yes, taxes taxes taxes taxes taxes….! Everyone has an idea for what they want taxes to do. We are already taxed to death and I don’t want Stintz and her ideas which go farther than what even Rob considered in his vision. Ford defended human rights of Scarbarians while councilors under Stintz leadership violated them by denying the immigrant community there a fast, safe, efficient and comfortable service. These ignorant downtown politicians, patronizing politicians elsewhere and managers and planners of the government ignored principle of equality of opportunity for all, which is written into the charter of rights and freedoms, and our human rights code. Scarbarians who are newer immigrants are not third class citizens. That is what the council voted agaisnt. I say shame on TTC. I hope Scarbarians remember their voting record and force them out of office during next election. Too bad Stintz is not from Scarborough neither does she have a city wide mandate.

    Stintz even referred to a secret report which Webster gave Rob Ford, which again was based on density driven demand criteria which something a planner would use, but not a business man. That is the crucial difference between a planner and a business man. People are so ignorant to assume that they have full grasp of reality. I was glad to see Webster leave. He was a union man from what I hear. I am not against unions.

    What we want is to see the very socialist councilors who voted for her rebellion to get a reality check. We don’t live in the old times when wealth was plenty. Now it has shifted to the third world and Alberta. we just can’t tax people and to increase the size of the burgeoning public sector which will lead to economic disaster given the state of debt and deficits. Lawrie: you have completely ignored economic reality. Stintz is ignorant of economic reality out there.

    Tax money? We need to control debt and deficit which the city has, the province has and the feds have, which will take years to get rid off. Taxes…hmm…what are our priorities Lawrie? Dream on! Lawrie the world does not revolve around Karen Stintz and her dream world. It is much bigger than her capacity to grasp.

    Mayor ford has a good grasp of reality that is out there.

    How can you impose yet another tax when we are in dire straits at all levels?

    Were Stintz to run for Mayor and succeed, we would be in dire straits. Her policy has already been subject of rebuke by the Minister. as he pointed out it is good for debate but she needs a reality check!

  18. Wilma de Bruyn says:

    I sometimes wonder if rather than outsource jobs out of country…….outsource our “Politicians” to third world countries and pay them the going wage of a labourer…..control the” Politics” by remote control on “cheap labour”, including unions via high tech communication devices. Canada would be out of debt in no time…and retirement plans for Politicians are only accessible at age 70, and after twelve years of service, not six which I think it is now.
    If we keep on this road of “debt”, the next generation will pay dearly for these self serving Politician’s.and “Unions”. Unions had a purpose in the 30′s, but now it is being abused, just as Councillors, and MPP’s use for the majority of their own self serving interest. It’s called the “What’s in it for me” syndrome. What happened to our eight hour day? People on TTC’s always appear exhausted, sleeping and eating on the subways. The question is will Canada’s name change in the future to “Chinada”, “Cindia”, or ” Cunada”. This country is rich in natural resources, but the
    destruction also pays a price for this pristine country. It’s easy to dig the riches, not so easy to replace to it’s natural wonder.

  19. Wilma de Bruyn says:

    My last comment will be about this article and Stintz’s plan for transit……all I heard from this gal, was……”So we can begin to put shovel’s in the ground.”
    All I see is a “Time wasting plan”., and “No shovels in the ground.” This plan is the biggest time waster of tax payer’s money and useless. More discussions about a plan where there is limited money
    available.
    As the saying goes…..”CADILLAC TASTE WITH BEER POCKET INCOME.”

  20. JANE DOE says:

    The provincial government is allowing the CROOKS at the TDSB…to steal from property owners, children and businesses……Billions….meanwhile this Stintz wants to take homeowners again thanks to the useless Board of Trade that CONTRIBUTES NOTHING TO THIS CITY.. NOTHING.. We live in a city with one of the highest cost of living in Canada next to Vancouver…Layoff the 10000 redundant government workers including the overpaid friends and relatives working at Toronto city hall and the TTC and they you can raise my taxes… We the property owners of Toronto are not your TTC union’s ATM machines… Don’ t even think about running for mayor…Etobicoke and Scarbourgh citizens hate you guts.

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