Were those Lefties right?

- March 6th, 2012

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The frontpage from August 2010 when then-Councillor Howard Moscoe proclaimed a Mayor Rob Ford wouldn’t be able to “pass gas” without council’s permission.

When it started to look like Councillor Rob Ford was on track to become mayor during the 2010 election, it wasn’t surprising when some of his long-time council foes came out swinging against him.

Predictions of council working around the mayor and Ford becoming a mayor in name only seemed wild (scroll down to the story from the Sun archives).

This was the story where retiring Councillor Howard Moscoe proclaimed: “(Ford) won’t be able to pass gas without the permission of council.”

Flash forward to March 2012 and Ford just had another embarrassing loss at city council, this time over who sits on the TTC commission and its composition (the number of councillors and citizens). This latest council revolt was led by TTC chair Karen Stintz. It’s the second transit vote in a month where she’s managed to derail the mayor.

Ford loses is the headline of the day (see story here). The headline could easily be Ford can’t pass gas without Stintz’s permission.

A mayor who can’t get the items he wants through city council could have a long two and a half years until the next election.

Even Ford’s supporters said Monday’s vote should teach the mayor a lesson.

“In terms of moving forward with that same level of enthusiasm, maybe we have to move a little bit slower,” Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong said.

Ford wasn’t sounding as humbled when he went on AM640 last night and took some swings at the new commission with its turn to “the hard left”.

“I think the taxpayers lost pretty big today,” he told the radio station.

Sounds like some gas pains ahead.

 

Here’s the “pass gas” story from back in 2010:

Thursday, August 26, 2010

A pass from left wing
Councillors say they won’t work with ‘Mayor Ford’

Edition: Final
Source: BY DON PEAT, TORONTO SUN
Section: News Page: 3

Some left-leaning Toronto city councillors weren’t pulling their punches when asked how they feel about the thought of Councillor Rob Ford becoming Toronto’s next mayor.
“In my opinion, if Mayor Ford is elected, city council will have a caucus meeting and they will choose their own mayor and (Ford) will be the mayor in name,” retiring Councillor Kyle Rae said Wednesday during the last city council meeting before the Oct. 25 vote.
“I hope that the citizens of Toronto wake up … I can’t believe Toronto is prepared to do it.”
Rae stressed Ford has no track record of bringing items to council and getting them passed.
“All he has done is attack and vilify other members’ work, he has got nothing he can point to,” he said.
But would councillors really rebel against an elected mayor?
Rae — who Ford keeps slamming for holding a $12,000-taxpayer-funded goodbye party — says it is a real possibility.
“Most thinking people in Toronto would be so embarrassed by him being mayor that there would be an obligation on council to do something,” he said.
Councillor Howard Moscoe was a little more colourful in how he sees a Mayor Ford interacting with council.
“He won’t be able to pass gas without the permission of council,” Moscoe said.
When asked if he thinks Ford will be able to work with council, he added: “Depends how often he wants to pass gas.”
Councillor Maria Augimeri said Rae may be right about council having to go rogue against a Mayor Ford.
“I have yet to know that he’s read a report, (the mayor) needs to be intellectually engaged,” she said. “You need to be able to be an avid reader and promoter of the city, simple pat actions won’t do, Band-Aid solutions won’t do … there is no quick fix (for the city).”
The York Centre councillor said it’s “appalling” that Ford is ahead in the polls.
“But we’ve elected a clown before,” Augimeri said.
Although mayor Mel Lastman wasn’t “intellectually engaged” he still could work with council, unlike Ford, she said.
“Mel had something that this guy just doesn’t have, he understood his shortcomings,” she said.
Councillor Adam Vaughan said the possibility of Ford winning is still up in the air.
“The ballot question has been framed, ‘Rob Ford? Yes or no,’ ” Vaughan said, adding the latest poll has 60% of the city saying “no” to the idea. “It’s just a question of where the ‘no’ vote moves now.”
Asked whether he’s mulling a run at the mayor’s chair, Vaughan opted for a “no comment.”
Mayor David Miller — who stressed he’s not jumping into the race and isn’t polling the odds of a comeback — dodged a question about whether he’s worried about a Mayor Ford taking over.
“It’s up to the people of Toronto who they elect,” Miller said. “Lots of things get said in elections, some of them have some basis to do with facts.”
Early Wednesday, federal NDP Leader Jack Layton held up mayoral candidate Joe Pantalone as his favourite in the race. The deputy mayor is trailing in the polls but vowed he’s the standard bearer of the left in this year’s race.
“Jack Layton’s endorsement means there is no illusion or some make-believe progressive candidate,” Pantalone said. “There is only one progressive candidate in this race for mayor and that’s Joe Pantalone.”
Layton didn’t see a problem with a federal politician wading into a municipal race.
“I think it is important if you care about your city to speak out about the issues that lie before us,” he said.
The former Toronto councillor declined to share his thoughts on Ford.
Layton’s endorsement comes after Pantalone endorsed his son Mike Layton to replace him as the councillor for Ward 19.
DON.PEAT@SUNMEDIA.CA

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14 comments

  1. Chandra says:

    I think that mayor Rob Ford might be guilty of enthusiasm for the subway system, but the councillors especially Stinkz should have resigned her responsibilities and obligations to the mayor who trusted her to carry out his mandate, and to which she initially had agreed with. She knew about it on day one. Karen does not have the competence to judge the position taken by Gary Webster. She just bought into his recommendations hook sink and whatever else came her way.

    Weak politicians follow the lead of their bureaucracy. Again weak politicians then form a clique to protect themselves from their inadequacies rather than defend their reasoning.

    TTC report from what I read contradicts what one major developer pointed out as the reality. Development follows subways in the city. TTC’s bureaucracy lacks the ability to understand that matter as they are the service providers, and not the planners of the city. Even the planners in the city depend on their regulations to control development to some extent.

    City Hall is the wrong place to understand the market mechanisms and market forces involved which shape our city. that is the problem with bureaucracy.

    Our politicians are seldom any better.

  2. Bruzer says:

    Wow, Chandra, were you brought here by a Google search for the Toronto Sun? If so, you missed the mark. Same with your comment. Why is it that conservatives always seek a dictator? It’s like it’s part of their DNA. Ford was elected and he should be able to shovel whatever shit he wants and the rest of council should feel lucky to be a part of the shit-shoveling team? Why is consensus so deeply terrifying? None of us voted only for a mayor. We all have our local reps who are there to protect our neighbourhood’s interests. That’s more important under amalgamation than it ever was. You’d prefer your neighbourhood’s representative to be silenced? How would you like that if it was a Liberal or NDP mayor? How was it when David Miller was mayor? You probably didn’t even notice if your councillor was for or against Miller’s motions. Why? Because Miller was a consensus builder. Not a tyrant. There a lots of places in the world dominated by conservative tyrants. Maybe you’d like to move to one of them. Thankfully, that’s not the case here. Our would-be tyrant can’t even pass gas without the will of council.

  3. Chandra says:

    Bruzer:

    I was Miller’s scruitneer at a polling station during the first time he went for the Mayor’s job. I thought we needed a good harbor front for the masses. I like to visit the Toronto Islands and enjoy the escape from the city. Yes, I was very much opposed to the island bridge and the island air service expansion.

    We had seen lot of legalized corruption in the city hall.

    When it comes to transit in the city. The only congestion fighting solution is to put transit underground. We need high speed mass transit. Decisions regarding LRTs were made in secret without public consultations that you so emphatically suggest happened. No one ever asked in our area as to what we think was a good solution. Miller and his cronies hatched a back room deal and then sprung a surprise on public. That is not how you run a government.

    If there was such a consensus then why is it that 60% Torontonians want a subway based transit? Forum polling was reliable.

    My councilor is against Transit City for your information.

    LRT’s are dangerous to riders who now are forced to cross the lanes of busy traffic to catch one. No one has bothered to look at that issue. TTC is misleading us. They are comparing their statistics where there already was a dangerous street car route which apparently became less dangerous. No explanation has been determined as to the cause of reduced pedestrian injuries. Was it because of reduced traffic? Lower traffic speeds? Was it because the rash drivers chose another route to escape the gridlock? Besides the statistics they are suggesting are based on limited sample therefore the reliability is in serous doubt in any case. The problem is Karen has no expertise in this matter to assess what is going on. That is where TTC is running false propaganda to promote its own objectives. Government is the master of the masses in a democracy? Wow! Governments should be there to serve the people.

    She has organized a clique to enforce her views. That is not consensus building at all. She does not have the ability to run the job. She has no expertise in managing a transportation business.

    We have been bombarded with propaganda for the LRT’s. The fact is there is shortage of money. So let us use articulated buses. With little money we can improve passenger capacity as compared to LRT which you have to use during cold weather in freezing winters. For that reason I use my car. Karen Stintz has not mentioned a word about these matters. That is not even an issue, because we have been brainwashed. No one in the media wants to talk about increasing the passenger carrying capacity of articulated buses running on exclusive shoulder lanes. They have been brainwashed too. The debate has been framed in terms of LRT’s verses Subways. I say the debate should be Artic verses LRTs verses subways. Let us be logical.

    You want to talk some more let us do it.

  4. Liam says:

    @Bruzer Amen. An Ontario Mayor is voted In to lead council through compromise, not command. Every mayor, like a judge, should act in the interests of the city, not their political ideologies. Sometimes a strong hand is neccesary to do what is best for the city, but ignoring council, or asking them to follow like sheep is wrong. The weak politicians are the ones too afraid to go there own way (Milgram Experiment) simply because someone says “Don’t”. I applaud council for it’s democratic autonomy. That takes real guts.

  5. Chandra says:

    Liam:

    When did the mayor do consensus building when he brought in the transit city concept?

    To my knowledge there never were any public consultations. I never heard of it. They started to show those street cars running in another country. they never showed St Clair.

    He only talked to people who were like minded.

    Councillors only should talk about what holds in their ward and not others. If they do then they should debate it in public.

    Miller’s consensus building came from top down.

    He let everyone lavishly play in their sandbox at tax payers expense. That is one way to buy votes.

    Only our taxes kept going up, councillors kept wasting money and he kept paying lip service to hold tax increases at inflation. No councillor ever objected to his tax and spend by wasting money. They were all party to it. Their were quite a few who were sidelined. No consensus there!

    Come on he opens an office in England?

    He conducts trade missions and twinning our lonely hearts city with the Chinese city at tax payers expense?

    He was defacto running a Miller nation!

    In my mind the council needs to go into one of the first nations healing rooms and hold a gathering there to cleanse their political toxins. At their own expense of course!

    I am not likely to ride a clumsy and rickety street car in a straight line any time soon. I just drive to where ever I want to go except where there are subways.

    Ever tried to do grocery shopping using TTC?

    Anyhow the councillors should have the wisdom to go and hold a session somewhere on the First Nations Reserve to heal their hurts.

    They can get themselves a facilitator if they so desire. Ford is following what the people want in building subways. Councillors aught to realize that. 60%.

    Hey council! Put people first, and not your whims.

  6. Stuffy says:

    @Chandra… *yawns*

  7. barry labarge says:

    Lefties killing MetroToronto Council, no forward thinking other than bacstabbing and misplaced Idealism. Ford is all about bringing forward thinking about Metro not about personal agenda, He may be brash in his agenda to bring a responsible council before Metro, underestimating his oponents on his left will only make him stronger and exspose some of the left to the dogs. The 80 s and 90 s brought this NDP rubbish because of the Liberal thieves, that bringing in the Infamous 9 Billion Dollar BOB RAE fiasco, and the NDP to Metro building Co Ops for housing the poor. The likes of Glorious Jack Layton and his Wife living in Hazelburn Co-OP along with her Millionare Mother in another unit. Yes the lefties are all for themselves. The killing of Metro is the Real story, The best thing that could happen for Metro would be Mcguilty to remove the 8.4 billion for lack of real insight.and no confidence in this motely crew. Now we are stuck with real dummies running a billion dollar money losing enterprise like the TTC. Ford is a fighter and will stick it out while this motely crew runs around backstabbing each other and killing thier careers, only Ford will be there clean up the mess, hopefully with some forward thinkers to mend a Metro Council.

  8. Waiting at my TTC stop says:

    @Chandra
    You go girl!!!

    Absolutely agree re: your point about articulated buses in reserved lanes. The fact that this has never been brought up even once for consideration is even more proof to me that this is a fixed argument (on both sides, frankly), completely about power and ideology, and almost nothing to do with improving transit outcomes.

    Re: your point about the lack of consensus building under Miller (and Webster let us not forget): I’ve watched how the TTC conducts itself during public ‘consultation’ during three major infrastructure projects now; for those witnessing the Stinz Plan/TC debate it will be new, but for those of us who’ve seen it before they all run the exact same way. Disinformation; false choices; a public ‘consultation’ process/charade of choosing options – which are presented in a way to allow some valid options to be easily and falsely discarded and others mysteriously (woops – how’d that happen?) never make it onto the table; a technique (accomplished in various ways) to divide the communities affected in order to produce in-fighting and minimize effective pushback; etc… It was clear going into the public ‘consultation’ phases that decisions had already been made, but in each case the residents of the impacted communities got to watch their tax dollars being spent on obvious and insulting disinformation and sham consultations. And Gary Webster and Giambrone were the masters. Ms. Stinz apparently learned from the best, and has picked up their torch. Literally almost, since she couldn’t be bothered to honour her position as Chair and even try to come up with a single idea of her own.

    Miller didn’t have a fully-fleshed out transit plan either. He had a general idea in his platform, and left the detailed planning and execution to his TTC Chairs. As much as I dislike Giambrone and Moscoe, at least they did their jobs (not well in the case of Giambrone, but at least he did something) as chair and facilitated actual transit planning. All Stinz did was cheat off someone else’s homework and present it as her own.

    And all of this for nothing, We could be assessing what transit needs the City and Region has over the short and long term, and planning how to start working to meet those needs efficiently and cost-effectively. We could, for instance, plan for extending the subways slowly – station by station over time – and as you pointed out use articulated buses (and design them as TRULY rapid transit) for the part of the route where subway hasn’t yet been built.

    Just because it’s called the “Red Rocket” doesn’t mean it’s rocket science.

  9. RC says:

    This is what the lefties have now forced onto us:

    3 DEATHS in 3 MONTHS by Calgary LRT:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2011/12/07/calgary-lrt-safety-warning.html

    People in Calgary hate LRTs because their deadly and the city went cheap. Calgary wanted a subway like every other city, and had to settle for unpopular LRTs.

    Their C-Train runs right down the street and just recently killed a 5 yr old boy.

  10. Sharon York says:

    Rob Ford made it clear during his campaign for Mayor that he favoured subways over LRTs. A vote for Rob Ford was a vote for subways!

    Karen Stintz went behind the Mayor’s back and got together a group of councillors who would vote for LRTs. By doing this, they completely disregarded the will of the people!

    On a recent afternoon, we went to Yonge and St. Clair, and rode the St. Clair streetcar to the end of the line and back, to experience a dedicated, above ground, rail line. We did not find the streetcar ride any faster now than when we rode it a long time back (before it became a dedicated line). The streetcar is still subject to the traffic lights, and in winter months will be subjected to delays related to the weather.
    We then got in our car and DROVE the same route from Yonge St. to the end of the streetcar line and back. This was a very slow and agonizing drive since for most of the route parking is allowed in the curb lane (except in rush hour) thus limiting the cars to a single lane each way. Since traffic is down to one lane, emergency vehicles are adversely affected. We saw a fire truck coming, and he was moving at a reduced speed along the dedicated track area. We have been told that ambulances are not allowed to use the track area. This seems to us to be a very dangerous situation which puts human lives at stake! St. Clair Ave. is crowded and congested, and that mistake should NOT be repeated anywhere else in the City!

    Subways are the best way to go! Even if we can only build a few stations a year, it is worthwhile so we can look to the future, provide a more rapid and reliable mode of transportation, and keep our main routes free from the ugly sight of the LRTs!

    Rob Ford is absolutely right – we need to build subways!!!!

    Sharon

  11. Harry J. says:

    I’ve ridden the Calgary C train and thought it was wonderful. Maybe the care givers should have been watching the 5 year old a bit closer! I’m sure the train would be making a racket as it approached! Another “not my fault” case!

  12. Jeremy says:

    Oh boy….you’ve got to love the fear mongering! “LRT’s KILL!” Right. And no one has ever been killed by a subway…or a car? As your these scientific analyses of riding along St. Clair, why not take a ride along Spadina…the first such dedicated streetcar line in Toronto that no one seems to think of. St Clair was a narrow street to begin with, but Eglinton is not, especially out east. You speak of dedicated bus lines? Well how dedicated? Do they have a curb so that other cars can’t come in? Because that essentially takes away another 2 lanes of traffic like an LRT. Or if they simply rely on paint, then they end up like Bay St where no one pays attention to them anyway. The debate along Eglinton isn’t a subway vs LRT affair, its an all underground LRT vs a patially underground LRT. That’s it. To those that are considering themselves to be conservative, how can you support such a terrible misapplication of resources? Above ground is cheaper and quicker to build. And how do you think this tunneling process works? Just a giant mole that goes unseen and does its thing? No. To create a station at a major street, there will be considerable construction at ground level. Furthermore, are the residents of Scarborough prepared for the density that would be required to support your “subway”? There would be more than just condos going up along the route if you get what I mean. And how are those residents going to get around? Likely, the majority of them will use the car and so your streets will be congested anyway. Back to the fear mongering though: Where, along either Spadina or St Clair are there stops without accompanying traffic lights? People can safely cross the street to the stop without any problems. Additionally, both ridership and commute times have increased along St Clair since it became a dedicated right of way. And lastly, has anyone arguing for subways actually analyzed the ridership of those areas the subways would be going in? Do the numbers just not mean anything? Transportation planning is all about numbers and statistics, which is why partially underground LRTs along Scarborough and Sheppard make logical and fiscal sense.

  13. Ron says:

    Tiresome and predictable responses from the “right” here. Subways are great: we all want them. Some of us however, would like to see a comprehensive transit plan in place, looking at long-term funding, population density, projected job growth etc. We don’t have that yet. And it’s not an issue of left or right; these arguments should be issue-based not ideology-driven. I fail to see why if you oppose Mayor Ford on one of his projects, you should be branded a leftist or communist. Adults are capable of intelligent thought and of looking at these issues from many different perspectives. As for LRTs, they can be useful in a mixed transit system. Why not have above ground lines versus underground where it’s practical to do so? The Spadina and St Clair LRTs are quick and efficient and no more dangerous than a bus route.

  14. Tri2win says:

    Should Ford ever stand up before council and pass gas it will be the best speech he ever made

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