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Climate change, tyrants and killers, oh my!

- May 24th, 2012

Greetings heathens, zealots, web denizens, and the rest of you!

There is stupid. There is burning stupid. There is atomic radioactive stupid. And then there is this:

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Apparently, according to an American think tank Heartland Institute – and I assume the word “think” is being used in the form of a joke. Yyou know how the young folks say something that is good is “sick”. Like that. -  accepting climate change data is the same as being the Unibomber. How exactly? Well, Heartland isn’t exactly clear on that bit. Something about mass murders being on the fringes of society and those doing climate change science on also on the fringes. So anyone who believes climate change is happening is the same as a reclusive math genius who living in a ramshackle cabin scribbling out a nonsensical manifesto and making pipe bombs. Or something.  I mean you can see the connections right?

This is a stupid beyond stupidity. It’s stupidosity exceeds all known levels of stupidism. It burns hotter than any flame. It is fusion level Three Mile Island meltdown stupid.

I defy anyone to defend it.

Categories: Isn't it absurd?, politics, the stupid it burns

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5 comments

  1. Diana Anderson says:

    I cannot defend that! It is stupid!

    But ……global warming is all a bunch of hooey and more and more people are beginning to realize that we have all been taken in by this mega money making train.
    When I was a child we were all headed for another ice age….now its global warming.
    This planet is going to heat up and cool down like it has done for eons. We humans are inconsequential insects crawling around on the surface of the planet.
    Why don’t we spend our time energy and money on fixing the state of humans worldwide, on cleaner water, on re forestation, on feeding the hungry. The last time I looked at my bank account….there was nothing left to donate to the poor because it is all being sucked up by the government to pay for “Green” projects, windmills that cannot supply enough energy, Solar panels that cannot supply enough energy, How can the poor in the third world buy this kind of energy when we cannot even afford it?
    The so called “Scientists” That have touted global warming for the last bunch of years are being outed as lairs, money grabbing self interested jerks who will do anything to forward their agenda. It is time that the world governments smarten up and get off this crazy train.before we are all bankrupt.

    • grant.lafleche says:

      Diana, while it is true that we can only destroy ourselves and not the planet, the facts are facts. Climate change is real. The data is overwhelming by now. The planets temperature and climate cycles are being directly impacted by human activity. You should consider, for example, that it’s not just about “global warming” which has always been a really awful and inaccurate term. Climate change is real and the more we continue down a road without being smart about it, the worse it will be for us in the long run.

      The questions you raise, however, about the third world are good ones. We are already driving energy costs up and impacting the environment in a lot of deleterious ways. What happens when China, India and Africa start demanding cheap energy, start using less clean sources with no environmental regulations? We did it for a time, who are we to tell them “no” if we do not have acceptable alternatives.

      The question is not is climate change happening. It is and will continue to and we have having a major role in it. The question is what do we do now and how do we move beyond empty rhetoric and start putting pressure upon governments to invest in real R&D?

  2. Diana Anderson says:

    Sorry grant, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
    while I agree that climate change is real. I disagree completely that humans have anything whatsoever to do with it.
    You say that “The data is overwhelming by now.” I say exactly the same thing about the data showing that what is happening is a natural phenomenon that has nothing to do with us.
    i also say that when you have leading scientists outed in England as having lied and altered data to back up their “Findings” When you have information and data that contradicts human caused global warming left out of reports, When you have leading scientists who say that “this is simply not true” being left out of any “official” statements and or adding their names as positive contributors to statements that they do not agree with …….And on and on
    So Grant, It seems that on this subject we will probably never come to an agreement.
    20 years from now when we are all looking back and laughing about the “Global warming craze” (As I am about the Ice age craze of my childhood) I expect you to buy me a bottle of Johnny Walker Red.
    I promise to buy you a bottle of your favorite tipple if things go the other way :)
    Diana

    • grant.lafleche says:

      Deal. :-)

      By way of a quick rebuttal though, there are a couple of things for you to consider. Who exposed that particular scientist? Other scientists. Science is actually pretty ruthless. Everything that gets published gets examined, reexamined, retested. Science actually spends most of its time trying to disprove it’s own conclusions. that’s how knowledge advances. (also the details of the “fraud” were drastically over played in certain right wing media outlets)

      Also, did that exposure radically alter climate science? not really. because people are working all the time independent of each other and their work is being peer reviewed (read ruthlessly torn apart by other scientists.) the data keeps piling up independent of the England incident. In other words, science keeps moving on, self correcting and progressing. The discovery that Piltdown Man was a hoax didn’t suddenly up end evolutionary science because the science keeps moving along and going through it’s harsh peer review. That is how the hoax was caught.

      And the weight of data from lots of different sources points to the same conclusion: human activity impacts climate, which really should not be a surprise to anyone. And if you are familiar with the science, you know factors like natural changes, impact of changes in solar radiation etc, are all factored in. You need to look at the science itself, not the policy reports of the UN.

      Finally, it is worth noting who the “scientists left out” largely are. most are on the pay roll as consultants with oil companies specifically to rebut climate science. Unfortunately most of these guys are not working in climate. They are working in unrelated fields of science. It’s like asking a biologist to comment on string theory. Maybe that biologist is a genius and knows everything there is to know about living systems. That doesn’t put her in any position to comment on string theory because she is not a cosmologist.

      It is rather like when you read reports of some scientist, a statistical analyst or math guy or something saying a evolution isn’t true. There are whole petitions, just like there is on climate change, signed by scientists claiming evolution isn’t true. Very few are biologists or geneticists, and the ones that are ignore the evidence in favor of religious dogma.

      The politics of some of the climate science stuff is messy and annoying. But the science itself…is doing just fine.

      • Diana Anderson says:

        I could argue point by point with you and we still wouldn’t get anywhere, That’s why I said we should agree to disagree.
        Believe it or not…I have not jumped to any conclusions based on a couple of reports or the word of a few scientists etc.
        I have studied the subject myself and come to my own conclusions based on scientific and historical data collected over many years, Information that the general public doesn’t see or hear about unless they are willing to take the time to dig for it.
        Let us just wait and see how this all pans out. I don’t really want to debate with you because to be honest, you are one of the few refreshing voices of reason in my newspaper
        and I usually agree with the things you say. Sadly …..On this subject we have parted ways.
        I just want to end by saying, Your “Quick rebuttal” was not quick, it was looooong! :-)

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