17 comments

  1. Kaye Bysouth says:

    How do we fight this?

  2. ken says:

    I am in support of bill 13, or of a variation thereof. Mentioning homosexuality in the bill is not a violation of religious freedom. It is simply a statement of fact.

    And the argument against student led groups is a red herring because we all know that it would never be an issue if the term “gay” were not used. The reality is that “student led” is not the same as “free from rules”. As a group using school space, a gsa would have to abide by the school’s code of conduct, the same code that a certain “religious leader” has characterized as a violation of religious rights. But please keep in mind that this very same “religious leader” was found to be incapable of abiding by a code of conduct established by a relious broadcasting station.

    Gay-straight alliances are not “gay clubs”. In fact, they were first started by groups of heterosexual students who were sick of the lack of action by schools and boards on the issue of bullying of gays. In short, they were started by kids with more maturity than the people being paid to mentor them through their developing years.

    Sure, it is true that kids are bullied for many reasons, all of them equally reprehensible. But bullying due to sexual orientation is one that is far more systemic because it is rooted in one of our fundamental culltural and social institutions, religion. For most people, the bullying ends when they leave school, but this isn’t always the case for homosexuals.

  3. J says:

    “But bullying due to sexual orientation is one that is far more systemic because it is rooted in one of our fundamental culltural and social institutions, religion”

    WRONG!! There is LESS bullying in Catholic schools. They believe in the inherent dignity of the person.

    Quebec abolished Catholic schools – it has a higher suicide rate for gay teens than in Ontario!

  4. Ken Petkau says:

    “This bill is about pushing a sexual political agenda and smashing any opposition in the way using the courts and legislature and overturning the constitution if they have to.”

    Exactly!

  5. Teresa Pierre says:

    GSAs do not promote sex? In what other type of club would a link to a group like this be tolerated?

    From the my.GSA website

    Submitted by ccamilleb on Thu, 2012-05-10 11:31.

    SPUNK! is a support group for gay, bi and queer young men ages 18-29 who use drugs and alcohol. Trans guys are welcome! HIV positive, HIV negative and even guys who don’t know their status are welcome!

    We run 6 weeks end-of-May through June, 7pm-9pm, downtown Toronto.

    We support guys who use drugs to use in safer ways. No one will be told they have to quit. We talk open and honestly about drugs and alcohol free of judgment. We are sex-positive. We talk about sex from an encouraging point of view. We talk about the kinds of sex we want to have, the sex we have when we’re sober and the sex we have when we’re high or drunk.

  6. Alain says:

    Ken, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There is absolutely no evidence to back up your claim that bullying due to sexual orientation is far more systemic. No one is in favour of bullying for any reason, and that should be the sole focus. For the militant homosexual lobby to take advantage of real victims of bullying in order to impose their agenda is disgusting to say the least.

  7. Denise says:

    contact Parents as first Educatiors http://www.p-first.com/ they have a lot of information and a petition– but you have to ACT NOW– time is running out

  8. Sean R. says:

    Step one: abolish the separate school system. Then there will be no state-sanctioned religious body to be targeted.

    Yes, the Constitution says there’s a separate school system. But can someon, anyone, tell me WHY in 2012 a specific, faith-based, no, sectarian-based school system is necessary?

    Why Roman Catholic? Why not my religion too? Oh wait, someone tried to correct that, but they were pummelled at the polling stations.

    Until this happens, this sort of petty nonsense will continue. And people wonder why my children go to private school.

  9. Thomas_L...... says:

    Imagine if they were trying to force Muslims to eat pork in school cafeterias. Then we’d have trouble!

  10. Jen says:

    Solution to the problem is do what the NDPQ do regularly: ‘ Call on the UN to solve the problem jst as they NDPQ, have called on theUN to help them solve other problems.

  11. Alain says:

    Sorry Sean but you are wrong on two counts. First of all we do not have a cafeteria style constitution where you pick and choose. I am not Catholic or even Christian, but even I understand this. Secondly, it is the same problem for all public schools regardless of religion.

  12. Ken says:

    “There is less bullying in Catholic schools” Where do you get your statistics. I would be very much interested in looking at this study. This being said, I don’t actually doubt that your statement is probably true. Public schools have much greater diversity, simply due to the numerous religions of the students. Therefore the Catholic schools have fewer triggers for bullying.

    Most Catholic schools also have uniform codes. One more trigger removed.

    But arguing that catholic schools respect the inherent dignity of the individual is implying that public schools do not, which is a fallacy. Telling gay kids that homosexuality is an abomination, a sin, unnatural, is hardly respecting their dignity; it is robbing them of their dignity.

  13. Alain says:

    Okay Ken, we get it. You do not like Catholic doctrine or the Bible and demand that it be changed to endorse homosexuality. Unfortunately for you there is such a thing as religious freedom in Canada. No one is forcing you or anyone else to join the Catholic church or any religion for that matter.

  14. ken says:

    Alain, I don’t see anyone saying that catholics must endorse homosexuality, any more than we would expect you to endorse teen pregnancy. But they both exist. Pretending they dont wont make them go away.

    I remember the day when pregnant teens weere removed from school because some idiot thought that allowing her to stay in school was an endorsement of teen sex. Providing support tools like gsas is not an endorsement of homosexuality anymore than allowing pregnant teens to stay in school is an endorsement of teen sex.

    Alain, you are correct that nobody is forcing me to join a church. But nobody is forcing any kid to join a gsa. If you are so strongly opposed to them, tell your kid that he or she can’t attend one.

  15. ML says:

    Great News Article.

    Interesting perspectives being put forward here.

    Personally, am finding it frustrating that the government thinks it’s good for Ontarians to have legislated opinion. Going so far as to legislate what the church can and cannot believe.

    The question here seems to be, whose rights will triumph in this case? Sexual rights or religious rights. The going trend seems to be ‘sexual rights’ trump – and the current government seems determined to prove this true.

    Interesting times we live in.

  16. Paul Coates says:

    Catholics have the religious right to believe that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. The orientation is in itself contrary to natural law, and the one flesh union as taught by Christ. Catholics teach not out of spite or fear or any other phobia. It teaches gay and all students the purpose and the design of sex. Catholic schools, when doing their job in line with the magisterium, teach that all people not in a married state (one man to one women) must be chaste and develop self control for the sake of freedom and love. This out of respect for the meaning and purpose of the one flesh union, and procreation within marriage. GSAs do not foster this. Rather they send the message and give a sense of permission that same sex attraction acted upon is fine and in some sense equal to the attraction of a man and a women. This liberal premise is behind the GSA push. To uphold homosexual orientation as equal or normal or just another sexual expression among many is simply dishonest and wrong . Catholics embrace and love all people but we love truth as well. The truth has and is shown to us by natural law, reason, and Christ. It is impossible to go against it. GSAs do not support or give evidence to this and would be a sign of discord and dishonesty.

  17. Rick W. says:

    Lilly certainly has an agenda. I don’t see the problem with stating that separate schools not being allowed to discriminate against a minority for the sake of religious dogma. The fact that they get public funding makes it doubly imperative that they meet societal standards. Even if they weren’t accepting public funds though, I still think their behaviour should be regulated in this fashion. Once you preach hate in a public forum, whether it be anti-gay, anti-Muslim or any form of racist ranting, the law should make it clear that this will not be tolerated. I might question the form the law takes, preventing school prohibition of a gay-straight alliance club, but without a toehold like this empowering gay students and their allies, it might not happen in some schools.

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