Deep Green, a critique

- August 11th, 2011
aric mcbay deep green resistance

Aric McBay on Sun News Network's Byline. McBay co-authored the book Deep Green Resistance.

More on Deep Green Resistance and the fringe of the environmental movement, that’s the topic of tonight’s Byline.

It would be easy to dismiss the Deep Green Resistance group as radicals to be ignored.

They are but three people, albeit three dangerous people that seem to call for the building of a movement that embraces violence.

Aric McBay, one of the authors of Deep Green Resistance, came on the show yesterday and denied his book, his group advocated assassination as a tool for their cause.

Here’s what McBay himself wrote on page 407 of his book:

“In talking about assassination (or any attack on humans) in the context of resistance, two key questions must be asked.”

I would say the two questions should be:

1. Have you lost your freaking mind?

2. Have you lost your freaking mind?

You are talking about assassination. That’s what I would ask, but not McBay. He may look like a meek, mild, bespectacled, tofu eating, bicycle riding greenie but listen to the cold and calculating questions he says should be asked about assassination.

“First, is the act strategically beneficial, that is, would assassination further the strategy of the group? Second, is the act morally just, given the person in question?”

He talks about assassination and seriously asks, will this further our aims and is it just.  He says his book concludes that assassinations will not further the environmental cause – but I don’t read it that way.

This is about more than asking rhetorical questions…..this is a man who helped write a book that details how to set up aboveground and underground movements.

The aboveground groups engage in typical activism – petitions, advocacy, social networks and the like.

Underground groups, in McBay’s own words, carryout the illegal activities.

Which could include sabatoge.

“Strategy A: Engage in direct militant actions against industrial infrastructure, especially infrastructure.”

That’s the strategy, but McBay gives much more than strategy, he provides tactics that enviro resisters can use. He recommends targeting bridges, tunnels, ravines and oil industry targets “What target (s) can be disrupted or destroyed to cause maximum damage to the entire enemy system? Multiple concurrent surprise attacks are ideal for resistance movements, and can cause cascading failures.”

But no, don’t worry, he’s not advocating violence…..not at all.

He’s telling you how to do it. He’s telling you why it is justified. He points out that if only Hitler had been killed as a child, things would be different. But there is no threat of violence.

I wish I could say this was just three whacky people with extreme ideas.

But its not.

Is it a huge movement? It doesn’t seem that way but they don’t need a huge movement to cause violence.

They do have cells popping up across North America though.

This past weekend the group also held a film screening in Toronto.

In May they held a conference in San Francisco and somehow, despite believing that we should all stop using oil, Mr. McBay made it to the conference.

I hope he didn’t fly. How would you feel about flying next to someone who believes we need to stop using oil, that we need to collapse the system and that violence to achieve that end goal is permissible.

We can’t just dismiss this group and hope they go away.

We need to denounce them, yes. But more than that we need to know their tactics and watch for them in use.

And that’s the Byline.

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19 comments

  1. Dennis Krupski says:

    I have to ask, what is the difference between Aric McBay and Anders Behring Breivik in Norway. It appears to me that they are both derranged in spite of their demeanor and appearance. The are both as dangerous and a threat to all.

  2. robins111 says:

    The product of a Canadian University and lack of common sense. best this idiot gets sent to the nut house..

    Hey where’s the CHRC when you need them… I think this wart on the ass of society just published a hate book….

  3. Richard Wakefield says:

    Yes, they have lost their fn minds. They are econutcases, what else would you expect. Yes, they are dangerous, it’s these types of people who do what they say they will do. Idiot that he would publish it for all to read.

  4. Marie-Claude says:

    If these authors are so concerned about the environment, why are they not considering peaceful means to cause change in behaviour.

    It’s not as if eco-everything hasn’t been rampant in the last few years. Isn’t that enough already?

    My city encourages through limited rebates the purchase of non gas powered lawn mowers, of rain barrels, composting. It plans trees on every street (trees 12 fee tall, not 1 foot tall). This is another example of doomsdays predictions, trying to fear people into an impractical direction. I’m sure there’s room for improvement, but we’re a far cry from needing extreme measures to continue in the positive direction we are going in already.

    Brian, on your show, you were totally right to say that they are anti-people. There’s one book I sure will never buy.

  5. Dave says:

    Aric McBay is a sick human being. We shouldn’t hate because of this, we shouldn’t make fun of him nor should we treat him as a pariah. We should reach out to him as a brother, with love and compassion and operate on his brain.

    We need to pay attention if he has bought any fertilizer.

  6. Paul says:

    Not only is advocating assassination an extreme & shocking proposal but even if one were to have “killed Hitler as a child” – it would have done NOTHING to have prevented the rise of Nazism as that movement [ like all movements ] would have simply had a different leader. This salient fact seems to get lost on a lot of people because Hitler was a nobody who was propelled to prominence via a political movement. Therefore killing the figurehead as a child [ which would actually be immoral as a child does not have the convictions & outlook of their older self & killing someone as a child for their crimes that they would commit later is certainly wading into some complex moral grounds ] would only change the figurehead & not the actual movement itself. The added irony here is that Mcbay’s own argument can be turned against him as his own extremist rhetoric lands him into the very realm [ of killing the killer ] that he prescribes be used on others. In fact, in this respect, he is not very much different to Hitler & his tactics of killing those deemed as “threats” to a narrow agenda. How ironic & shameful.

  7. Bob Daye says:

    This guy is dangerous and his ideas are dangerous. This is the proverbial enviro-whackjob. I think he is the tip of the iceberg, what with waves of environmental studies students graduating every year. They are going to become more militant in their delusions of saving the earth and some of these groups will be considered the same threat as Al-Qaeda.

  8. Richard Wakefield says:

    “Aric McBay is a sick human being. We shouldn’t hate because of this, we shouldn’t make fun of him nor should we treat him as a pariah. We should reach out to him as a brother, with love and compassion and operate on his brain. ”

    Those people see this as a weakness. No, we need to get the RCMP after these guys. Hey how about the Human Rights Commission? Isn’t what he has in his book hate speech? They went after Ezra for nothing, this is definitely something.

  9. Occam says:

    McBay – McVey – - awww I’m sure its just coincidence. ;-)

  10. Harry says:

    Wow, I’m shocked, never thought I would see the day when a television commentator would call their guests “idiots”, or question if they’ve “lost their freakin mind?”….

    Right on! Way to call a spade a spade!

  11. END:CIV says:

    These 3 aren’t dangerous at all, but their ideas on the other hand….. You can’t stop an idea who’s time has come, and you won’t.

    Aric DOES NOT advocate assassination. Read that again. ARIC DOES NOT ADVOCATE ASSASSINATION! He explores historically how that tactic was used, for instance; attempts to assassinate Hitler. Would anyone dare argue that assassination attempts on Hitler by the Nazi resistance were not appropriate? But seeing as how industrial civilization is a network of infrastructure, assassination does not fit the bill of appropriate tactics. He explores this to show precisely why this tactic would NOT be useful for the DGR movement so that nut cases like Extreme Right Wing Tea Party supporter Jared Lee Loughner don’t end up joining our movement and committing such atrocious acts.

    “Have you lost your freaking mind?” should be asked to the cohorts of industrial civilization seeing as how THEY are the ones engaging in and supporting the complete destruction of the planet. Sociopaths. They are all insane sociopaths. Do any of you realize that without a livable planet we ALL die? That means YOU as much as it means me or anyone else.

    All resistance movements have underground efforts working aside above ground efforts. Why this is even shocking to any of you is beyond me. Have any of you paid attention to history, like the Nazi resistance, and/or current resistance efforts, like MEND (Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta) for instance? The DGR movement should be no different, and it won’t be.

    Lifestyle purity is not an effective strategy. To say that we are irrelevant because we oppose oil and industry, etc., yet buy what we need and drive cars, etc., is to ignore the simple fact that lifestyle choices have not been effective at stopping or slowing the destruction of the planet and they never will be. This is exactly why the environmental movement has thus far failed for the most part over the past 40 years. It is time to step it up, and that is exactly what you can expect us to do.

    I urge all of you to figure out what you can do to prepare for the collapse, because whether or not environmentalists cause it, it is going to happen anyway. Collapse is the fate of all civilized societies, it always has been and always will be. This is especially true of industrial civilization, but the difference is that industrial civilization will continue forward at all costs and this time we have nowhere left to go like the people of previously collapsed civilizations had the option of doing. So, the longer it takes for the collapse to happen the messier it will be. Why don’t you quit deluding yourselves into believing otherwise and instead come join us? The future of all life on this planet depends on stopping the destruction of the planet by any means necessary. You can choose to understand this and act on it, or you can choose to ignore it and continue to perpetuate killing the planet. Which will it be?

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  12. You know, Deep Green Resistance provides a wonderful template and helping hand for other groups looking for methods in their quest to engineer society. I went to a book store close to the University of Toronto and had it placed on order; and I can read bits of it online, as well as discover the thoughts of the authors and fellow travelers. You do not have to be a Green to use these methods. Face it, their agenda of de-industrialization is so much bong smoke. One should be more strategic in the industries one wishes to, uh, discourage.

  13. saba says:

    It is amazing to me that someone like McBay can be called an eco terrorist, nut
    job, whacko etc by people who obviously have no grasp of the ecological crisis we are facing.

    People are shocked and outraged by McBay and his ideas but where is the outrage for the 120 species that went extinct today? Where is the outrage at the fact that corporations own 98 percent of the food supply or the fact that every mother’s breast milk is contaminated with dioxin? Where is the outrage for the rainforests being cut down and the people of those places being killed or otherwise wiped out. I could go on and on, the list is endless. We live in a profoundly unjust and unsustainable world- no-one seems to be worried about that and what it means for future generations

    Without a livable planet we all lose, all of us.. McBay and his cohorts are simply ahead of their time for the majority of white culture and of course for that they will be reviled.

  14. Oh, and by the way: Deep Green Resistance is not “but three people”. It’s a movement growing more and more by the day.

    If you want a living planet, join us: http://deepgreenresistance.org

  15. Richard Wakefield says:

    Deep Green Resistance Wisconsin, how far are you willing to take your cause? “Harper Must Be Stopped” means what exactly? The CPC is very likely going to be in power for at least 8 years. So what are you planning to stop the CPC???????

    You have much working against you, for one human caused global warming is scientifically false, a number of new papers proves that. Second, the planet isn’t doing anything beyond normal variation. Nothing. CO2 is plant food, has been several times higher in the geological past. This “warming” occured during the Medieval Warm Period, and other warm periods in recent human history. Humanity has ALWAYS done better during warm periods, so has the rest of the biota, including 55myo when the Arctic had tropical forests, palmtrees in Greenland, and the huge explosion in the Mammalian claud. The FACT anyone who wants to look at the physical data will see that summers are not increasing, the record temps are still in the 1930′s. What is changing is winters are getting less cold, that’s what is driving up the average temperature.

    Fact is, your cause is becoming more and more a distant concern of the masses. The debt crisis is the biggest threat, but I guess you guys can’t wait for that to crush Western civilization, can you. That makes to all very sick people. What you do next is what will determine the degree of your sickness.

  16. Richard Wakefield says:

    Hey, Brian, check this out from their site:

    ” Our task is to create a life-centered resistance movement that will dismantle industrial civilization by any means necessary. ”

    http://deepgreenresistance.org/principles/

    “Organized political resistance is the only hope for our planet.” will never work because the general population is never going to vote in a political movement whose purpose is to put us back to the stone age. These people have no idea what it was like “living off the land” as we did before industrialization. Life was brutal, short, full of conflict. Starvation was the main selection process that kept population low. Most of your children died before they were 10.

    These eco-nutcases have no idea that natural selection was the dominance and brutal force against humanity back then. That’s why we invented ways to side step it. They are living in an anti-human Wonderland.

  17. Juan Q says:

    “First, is the act strategically beneficial, that is, would assassination further the strategy of the group? Second, is the act morally just, given the person in question?”

    “He talks about assassination and seriously asks, will this further our aims and is it just. He says his book concludes that assassinations will not further the environmental cause – but I don’t read it that way.”

    It is impossible to have a conversation or discussion with someone that actually read, and quotes, the part of the book that talks about assassination, concluding that it will be counter productive to then write “…but I don’t read it that way.” That just shows you prefer to make up your own reality and shows you’re ill-equipped to review/critique the book, much less the movement as a whole.
    Also from reading the comments of the regular readers that are “appalled, disgusted and outraged” shows what a massive failure in critical thinking and understanding they have as to the state of the planet, our home, is in. No magical techno fix, feel good rally or “green product” will solve or prevent the coming collapse which will be a disaster for most life, including humans, unless it’s stopped as soon as possible. I feel pity and sad for all of you because you will be the ones that will suffer the most waiting for someone else to feed you, protect you and somehow restore the ability to use your iPads.

  18. Juan says:

    “First, is the act strategically beneficial, that is, would assassination further the strategy of the group? Second, is the act morally just, given the person in question?”

    “He talks about assassination and seriously asks, will this further our aims and is it just. He says his book concludes that assassinations will not further the environmental cause – but I don’t read it that way.”

    It is impossible to have a conversation or discussion with someone that actually read, and quotes, the part of the book that talks about assassination, concluding that it will be counter productive to then write “…but I don’t read it that way.” That just shows you prefer to make up your own reality and shows you’re ill-equipped to review/critique the book, much less the movement as a whole.
    Also from reading the comments of the regular readers that are “appalled, disgusted and outraged” shows what a massive failure in critical thinking and understanding they have as to the state of the planet, our home, is in.
    No magical techno fix, feel good rally or “green product” will solve or prevent the coming collapse which will be a disaster for most life, including humans, unless it’s stopped as soon as possible. I feel pity and sad for all of you because you will be the ones that will suffer the most waiting for someone else to feed you, protect you and somehow restore the ability to use your iPads.

  19. Juan Q says:

    “First, is the act strategically beneficial, that is, would assassination further the strategy of the group? Second, is the act morally just, given the person in question?”

    “He talks about assassination and seriously asks, will this further our aims and is it just. He says his book concludes that assassinations will not further the environmental cause – but I don’t read it that way.”

    It is impossible to have a conversation or discussion with someone that actually read, and quotes, the part of the book that talks about assassination, concluding that it will be counter productive to then write “…but I don’t read it that way.” That just shows you prefer to make up your own reality and shows you’re ill-equipped to review/critique the book, much less the movement as a whole.
    Also from reading the comments of the regular readers that are “appalled, disgusted and outraged” shows what a massive failure in critical thinking and understanding they have as to the state of the planet, our home, is in. No magical techno fix, feel good rally or “green product” will solve or prevent the coming collapse which will be a disaster for most life, including humans, unless it’s stopped as soon as possible. I feel pity and sad for all of you because you will be the ones that will suffer the most waiting for someone else to feed you, protect you and somehow restore the ability to use your iPads.

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