And down goes Canada

- May 17th, 2012

So, how are we all feeling about Canada being eliminated by Slovakia at the world championship this morning?
Distraught?
Upset?
Disillusioned?
Shouldn’t be too crushed, as it’s not like the country’s best players were representing. Still, Canada did have a pretty strong lineup, and you would have expected its road to at least go beyond the quarter-finals.
I’d like to know why the powers that be decided to pick Ryan Getzlaf as the captain. You know, the 11-goal scorer this season who led the Anaheim Ducks all the way to a 25th place finish. The guy that was reported to be partying up and threatening citizens over in Europe after a game one night. The guy that was on the ice for the game-tying goal and in the box for the winner today.
There’s some leadership for you, eh?
John Tavares would have been a better choice. Or Duncan Keith. Or just about anybody else, in my opinion.
In fact, I wouldn’t have even had Getzlaf on the team. I would have told him to go home as soon as Jason Spezza became available and offered his services.
But maybe that’s just me….

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  1. Ben says:

    Why did Hockey Canada complain last year too many NHLers were saying no to the invitations to play, then you have the 4th leading scorer in the NHL, Jason Spezza, call them up and ask to play, but they turn him down? Can someone explain this to me?

  2. Bobby Goodman says:

    Yes I can Ben, Hockey Canada is headed by an idiot (Bob Nicholson) and it really is an old boys club. Yzerman is the lead dog and I ask you, what has he done outside of his NHL career? Kevin Lowe was the GM and he used this tournament to showcase two of his young stars (Eberle and The Nuge) and their goalie, Dubnyk to their new, yet to be announced coach Sutter. Getzlaf and Perry were out drinking and rabblerousing but and that is just fine but Spezza was not. Sharp had 6 points and did they all come in one game? Was an 18 year old Junior the best that Hokey Canada could get?

    Lets not fool ourselves; Hokey Canada plays a whole lot of silly bugger. They have their favourites and decisions made have little to do with putting the team in the best position to win games. Whether it be Junior or Mens championships, they have made decisions that defy logic. Hunter and his .700 winning persentage in Junior wasn’t good enough but, Dave Cameron who has never won anything at any level of coaching made the cut. Oh, he is the guy who cut Ryan Nugent-Hopkins last year in the WJC but, surprisingly, the very same RNH was good enough to play for Canada in the Men’s World Hockey Championship. Are you following me Ben? Yzerman and his team have been given the responsibility to select the players that will represent Canada in the next Winter Olympics. Why? This is the guy who ignored young stars the last go around. Yzerman actually promised a spot to Joe Sakic if he wanted it and Joe was retired!

    Every year these bozos pre-determine who and what they want. Most often they want a team that focus on defense to stop stars from other countries. OTHER COUNTRIES SHOULD WORRY ABOUT STOPPING CANADIANS! It may sound absolutely crazy but I suspect other teams would find it difficult to score goals if the puck is always in their end!

    Ben, for someone to really answer your question, they would have to know the answers to many other questions that will never be answered, one of which is: why will Lord Burque be the Lead Dog for the USA mens hockey in the next Winter Olympics? Is it because of his stellar performance in Toronto?

    There are games played Ben and I/we are not supposed to understand. I like Jason Spezza but others don’t. There is something in the Kool Aide and it is almost like an old episode of Star Trek and everyone has become “of the body”. Afterall, Getzlaf’s 11 goals must be better than Jason’s 34? Isn’t 57 points better than 84 points (and Getzlaf played all year with Perry and Ryan)? It must be better to post a minus 11 than a plus 11…isn’t it? I am convinced it is also a bad thing to lead your team in the post season with 5 pts in 7 games and sport a plus 3. But, if that is the case, why does Sweden select Alfredsson with 2 points and minus 3 and Karlsson (who stunk in the loss today) who had but a single point on a fluke goal?

    Plebean’s like you and I Ben, are not to question, just blindly accept it all and chear wildly.

  3. Ed says:

    Have to hand it to Don regarding Spezza… Loves him now but wanted him traded 2 years ago… As with all of his articles, HOMERISM at its finest…

    The bottom line wasnt the captain or the forwards, it was the lack of top defencemen and although I like Ward and he deserved to be on the team, we needed a better backup than Dubnyk so we can pull goalies once they give up 2 quick goals in the first period of a quarter final game…

    Kudos for Keith, Phaneuf and Bouwmeester as these were really the only decent defencemen we had playing this year… Schenn will NOT be considered for this Olympic team nor will Methot, Russell, or Quincy…

    Lastly Don, I would have loved having Spezza at the worlds, as well as Phiilips on D but Getzlaf did have a fairly good tourney, other than being in the box late in this game…

    I think we have some good young pieces in Kane and Eberle who showed that they could be a force in Sochi and the also the list of players who could not and did not make it will ensure we have a much better team in 2014…

  4. OD99 says:

    “Alfredsson wound up with a goal and six assists in eight games at the worlds. And receiving more words of praise and admiration.

    “Alfredsson is a great leader,” Michalek told Expressen. “He plays so well at his age and we had a good season thanks to him and Erik Karlsson.”

    Uh Oh – Michalek you are in for it now…

  5. Mike8888 says:

    I agree Bobby. Hockey Canada’s selection process (if you can call it that) for the World Juniors and World Championships have become a joke. The junior head honchos some how decided that Tofoli shouldn’t be given even a chance to make the team for a reason seemingly only beknownst to them. The guy was only one of, if not the top goal scoring juniors in the country. I guess that doesn’t mean anything. Why would a junior team need scoring? Then we see Spezza being turned down for the World Championship’s and told that the team was full? Why would they want the fourth best scorer from the top league in the world who wanted to play? I guess they deemed players like Burrows and O’Reilly to be better.. Yzerman seems to think he’s smarter than he is. A genious he is not. Kevin Lowe obviously just wants to give his own players high level experience.

  6. Don Brennan says:

    Um, Ed …. you’ll have to point out to me where I wrote the Senators should trade Spezza two years ago. Or ever.
    Also, the “homerism” accusation is funny, mostly because I can remember many readers saying I must be a Leafs fan…In general, I think half think I’m a homer and half think I hate the Senators. I would say that means I’m just writing my opinion and both halves are wrong

  7. ChokerHater says:

    awwww, they didn’t pick Mr. Behind the Back Passer to the other Team, so now it’s an old boys club
    your too much. They didn’t pick him because he didn’t belong. You’re tell us that Yzerman is part of “the old boys club”
    Did he have anything to do with the “OLD BOYS” who won the Olympic Gold?
    whining shouldn’t be allowed on here

  8. Bobby Goodman says:

    Hokey Canada makes me ill Mikey and I have vented my displeasure with them for years. Things wont change though. C’est la vie. Prepare to see more of Mr. Happy with his furrowed brow and serious look (which translates into “inteligence”). We are going to see and hear more nonsense from Bob Nicholson (prgrame of excelence indeed…and by whose measurement?). And, we are going to be over exposed to tired expressions like: structure, 200 foot game (isn’t the ice surface 200 feet, do baseball players play a 60 ft run to 1st base?), play between the whistles. There are many others like “discipline” but I favor words like skill, creativity, speed. Structure is great for people who can’t make decisions for themselves and need to be told when to wake up, go to sleep, what to wear, what to eat…and what do do. Skilled people, don’t. Who are the best penalty killers on everyteam, the most skilled players (do I like asking questions and answering them myself…all day baby!). Who kills penalties on LA….Brown, Doughty, Richards. Who would you want on your butt, Daisey the Air Rifle, or Jamie Benn? Just once (well more than once) I want to see the Canada represented by the very best players…speed, size, skill! Forget about the lunch pail player. Have 4 1st lines! Fill the back end with guys like: Weber, Doughty, Phanuf, Burns and Pietrangelo. These events are brief and not 7 months and 82 games long! Bring it all!

    I am compelled to bring up yet again how terrible I think Shanahan is in his role as the League’s disiplinarian. I am not sure if it was Yandel or Gretal but someone from the Praiey Dogs got only a single game for a hit on the Kings’ captain Brown. In my mind (having played the game at such a high level for so many years and excelled…when I was 11!!!!) that hit was far worse than the one that got Torres 25 games! Willy Mitchel is absolutely correct when he suggested it deserved more! I don’t even think the Torres hit was that bad and I see similar hits 100 times every year, but Brown could have been paralyzed from the eyebrows down! I don’t believe in the graduated penalty system that Mitchel suggested. Hits like that one need to be out of the game entirely and they are the ones deserving of 25+ game suspensions. Again Shanny, your consistent with your inconsistency!

  9. ChokerHater says:

    First of all Bobby, stop whining
    second, the hit by Torres was very different, he has a real bad history
    and in disipline, history counts as much as the crime
    you forgot to mention that
    you also forgot that the playoffs are on right now
    and our very best can’t go because some are still playing
    and some are recovering from injuries
    and even if they wern’t playing, Spezza wouldn’t be on the team
    nor should he be. You earn a place, your not awarded it
    One more thing about Shanny, at least his son isn’t playing like the last guy

  10. ChokerHater says:

    on another note, Don, I think your a Leaf fan and a homer LOL
    seriously, sometimes people confuse you two brothers, so they credit you with something
    Bruce says or give Bruce credit for something you’ve said
    anyway, you’re both homers as far as I’m concerned but you’re not as sickly to listen to
    as Gord Wilson. That guy is the biggest suckhole on radio. Everytime I hear his voice it’s
    like fingernails on a chalkboard, not from the sound but what comes out
    Nice to be out for this beautiful long weekend

  11. Kevin F. says:

    Half Don!!? Ha what columns made people think you hated the Sens, the one that suggested that Sens not only had one Norris candidate but 3 or the non stop stream of praise for everything Senator related, please be specific of your criticisms of anyone before it was obvious that they were leaving the organization, non Heatley of course I remember you didn’t care for him much at least after he stopped scoring 50.

  12. Bobby Goodman says:

    Et tu, Choke? I thought you were were mon partinaire, pas mon adversaire! Say it aint so.

    I am surprised though that you wouldn’t support having the 4th leading scorer in 2012 (playing a man short all year) on this hockey club at the Mens WHC. I am also suprised you support Nicholson and Hokey Canada. C’est la vi. Indeed Team Canada won the Gold in 2010 but by the slimist of margins and Spezza was passed over then too. When it made sense to have Marleau and Thornton united wouldn’t it have made complete sense to do the same with Heatley and Spezza; afterall, Heatley prospered when Spezza was his centerman and he was the benificiary of many “behind the back passes”. Let me see, Yzerman made the selections then and Spezza was out, Yzerman did the same for the World’s this year and Spezza was out…I would suggest Jason is toast for the Olympic Team. I would never have had the very old and slow Boyle on the team. He is a very slow version of Karlie (but, he will venture into the corners). Neither would I have selected another old and soft defenceman in Scott Neidermeyer. Those guys had their time but, this is what the clique does with regularity, reward old buds with priority selections. There were a number of players I would have selected over the Stars’ Morrow. Pronger is great in the NHL when he is allowed to get away with his many stick and elebow infractions but his was old and s l o w. Like the other selections made by the clique it was yet another “patronage appointment”. Niether would I have chosen Thornton; like Pronger, his game is suited to the long, rough and tumble grind of an NHL campaign. Weren’t we all very fortunate that Sakic (unlike others) didn’t allow his ego to make the decision to participate?

    I wonder why no one would ask Mr. Happy, why an 18 year old Junior was invited to play this year? Weren’t there many NHLers who could have done much more to help the team win? If none were available among the host of teams that either didn’t make the playoffs or never qualified, there had to be some better players available than the 18 year old from the AHL?

    I can’t help myself and for those who may be offended, please forgive me but, did Silfverberg play in the 2012 Mens World Hockey Championship? Whereas as the 19 year old Nugent-Hopkins and the 20 year old Skinner were brilliant, I didn’t notice Silfverberg. This is the guy who, like Rund’sbad, “owned” the SEL. Rund’sbad was Boss Hog, he led rushes, accumulated 50 points in 53 games, hit the opposition but couldn’t cut the mustard here in Ottawa nor could he in Phoenix. Silfverberg was even better in the SEL and his numbers were very good, but the 21 year old did diddly squat. How can that be you may ask; I will offer an explanation: the quality of play in the SEL isn’t that nearly as good, nor as fierce as in N/A and as a senior NHL scout suggested, is a league of kids. Perhaps that is why Silfverberg didn’t want to play one exhibition game.

  13. Jakub says:

    Excuses in this article. Canada didn’t bring its best players? Neither did Slovakia. Your argument is strawman at best, seeing as even a Canada B or C team should be making the semis (at the very least).

  14. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    “Um, Ed …. you’ll have to point out to me where I wrote the Senators should trade Spezza two years ago. Or ever.
    Also, the “homerism” accusation is funny, mostly because I can remember many readers saying I must be a Leafs fan…In general, I think half think I’m a homer and half think I hate the Senators. I would say that means I’m just writing my opinion and both halves are wrong”

    Hi Don!
    Since you don’t remember your own columns, here is one you wrote on June 21, 2010:

    http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2010/06/21/14469296.html
    “Time to deal Spezza is now” If the Senators don’t move soon, they’re looking at another Dany Heatley dance.
    Unless someone is ghostwriting your columns?

    Spezza isn’t making any Olympic or World Championship teams by the way. Unlike the homers on Team 1200 and elsewhere, the bookis out on Spezza and it’s that he doesn’t elevate when the pressure mounts. I would be shocked (and somewhat delighted) if he did make Sochi though.

    As for Getzlaf…he’s only a winner at every leve. 11 goals this year maybe but the team was tuning out Carlyle, there were injuries and many mitigating factors. So Getzlaf pushed around a few people overseas, whoop dee doo…like hockey players haven’t been in bar altercations? I found it hilarious when I heard he allegedly said he would snap three of them in half. Obviously you don’t want that to be a common occurence but no one talks about Patrick Kane letting off some steam. It’s easier to forgive if you’re a winner, that’s for sure.

  15. Bobby Goodman says:

    I wonder if there are consequences for failure? I suppose it might defend on who and how it is defined. Certainly finishing 5th in the WHC has to be classified as a failure; shouldn’t it? But then again, Yzerman was the architect therefore the standard rules by which most are measured do not apply. He can do no wrong, no matter what! After his mentorship in Detroit, Yzermans was highly sought after because he…because he…was a great hockey player? He did land in Tampa (his choice because there were other suitors). After two years, SteveyY missed the playoffs, and his team had the 3rd worst goal differential in the entire league at -46. His team under his hand picked coach, sported the league’s most number of goals scored against (281). This, to some, is success and a good reason to be optimistic. He will be the Man for the 2014 Olympics.

    It would be very interesting to know who the 63 (reputed) players are that turned SteveyY down for the Men’s WHC? I also wonder if the number is accurate or invented. Some other quesions might be: could some have turned them down because of Yzerman and the manner in which he makes his selections; is it within the realm of possibility, they didn’t like the “Clique”; might there be some who simply didn’t want to go and play with Sutter as Coach; did knowing that some “rabblerousers” were going (again) turn players off. I don’t blame some of the players who have been there and done that before for not going but, if I was a young healthy guy and was asked, I would jump on the opportunity. Maybe Joe Sakic turned SteveyY down.

    Canada is ranked 5th for the 2014 Olympics. Under the “Program of Excellence” Canada has taken a mighty fall. Perhaps…perhaps…there need to be some changes. The Business Community doesn’t reward failure. Indeed, up front, every year expectations are posted and if they are not met, some heads generally fall. It is different in the NHL. Lord Burke can flip flop from old retreads to truculence to speedy/nifty and then return to truclence all the while, denying the Leaf fans from a post season birth. Instead of punishment for failure, he is rewarded with a vote of confidence by his empolyers and…defying reason, he is the guy who most likely will lead Team USA in the 2014 Olympics! Go figure!

    When you are in, you are in. Some are Golden some are not. Some succeed in failure some fail in success. Yzerman is a genius. Finishing out of the medals this year was shear brilliance and most do not understand the method to his madness. Fools all. Ranking 5th for 2014 is exactly where Team Canada wants to be

  16. Bobby Goodman says:

    I hade a spastic finger and this may be a duplicate, if so, I applogize:

    (exactly how it was mapped out). Stevey Y is the guy. He is strategic, creative, engaging and connected…well, I got the connected part right. I don’t know about the rest of you but I don’t see the Excellence in Hokey Canada. No one will challenge Bob Nicholson and his “crew”. I never heard anyone ask him why Dale Hunter was never asked to coach the kids. I don’t know why the skilled hockey players, whether they be 17 or not, get passed over. It is particularly funny when you think that there was a time when Stevey Y was scroing 65 goals a season! Only when he couldn’t, did he start to focus on defence (like most aging stars). Then we were all told he became a complete hockey player and of course that was utter hogwash! Stevey Y is the guy and I have many questions but one in particular, rather than Stevey Y shouldn’t it be why Stevey?

  17. Bobby Goodman says:

    Choke, I suspect you know me a little bit better, I have never whined in my life but, I will comment on anything, even if what I may think offends some (but only the cheerleaders).

    Tell me something Choke, how did Getzlaf earn his way on the Team this year? By scoring 27 points less than Spezza with Perry and Ryan on his line and sporting a minus 11? Please, explain this to me?

    Do you think I am unaware that the playoffs are underway Choke….really? 14 teams didn’t make the post season and many haved been eliminated as a result, there is an abundance of players available. When I said the best players, of course I am referring to the best available….duh! If Spezza is so bad in IIHF compeition how did he come in second in team scoring last year behind second only to John Tavares?

    History matters as much as the crime? I know it matters but if someone hit someone for the very first time and put them in a wheel chair for the rest their days, is is excusable? I was just saying the hit by Hanzel and Gretal was far worse than the hit that got Torres 25 games. There is no whining at all; I would have hoped you and most NHL hockey fans want consistency and Shanny simply doesn’t deliver it! I don’t whine about penalties but I will point out Shanahan’s many short comings. He is part of the not so secret society of “in” people. What the hell has Colin Campbell ever done?

    Shanny’s son isn’t playing like the last guy???? I don’t know what you trying to say mon ami.

  18. OD99 says:

    Colin Campbell was the sheriff previously and his son plays for the Bruins…

    Sometimes stats are just stats – not an indication of how useful someone is on the ice or how well they actually contribute (there is a player out there who put up historic numbers this year for D but to some people he is apparently a soft, scared bum…just a reference so you can understand how some people view stats and then view the player differently)

  19. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pierre, do winners tune out coaches? Is this acceptable? So he pushed around a few people…is this too acceptable when you are representing your Country. Again, as Wee Davey suggests, I am giving away my crochety old age. As for the mitigating circumstances that explain Getzlaugh’s great year…exactly what were they Pierre? And, I must point out to you that the members of his line played all but 2 games: the big, rough and tumble and very physical Getzlaugh played the entire season, all 82 games! His penalties, for the most part, are associated with stick infractions. Two years ago he cowered when challenged by Thornton of San Jose Sharks. Bobby Ryan played all 82 games this year for the Ducks and Corey Perry played 80 of th e82 games. So what injuries hampered Getzlaugh’s production? Lord only knows what Rocco might have done with those wingers instead of: Condra, Butler, Greening, Stone and Silfverberg! Turris would have done better and even Daisey the Air Rifle may have bettered his best year with 5 goals!!!!!

  20. Bobby Goodman says:

    Wee Davey, I have suggested often that Karlsson possesses a great deal of skill/talent but he is not the kind of hockey player I personally like. But that is just me (and I have said that before). He is a rover who is all offence all the time (even God has said as much) with no regard to defence and he is supposed to be a Defenceman. Where as a very skilled forward can have a shadow, it is difficult to shadow a rover (makes life easy if you are an Offenseman). I have also said often, Karlsson is told to play exactly the way he is playing and as such, it is not entirely his responsible. Personally, I don’t respect hockey players who will not venture into a corner; certainly I don’t want him going in to corner knowing he will get hammered but he needs to go into some corners. For someone with such blazing speed, I have never seen him beat a defender on the outside (looming corner). But Spaz who cannot skate like Karlsson does it many times every game. Karlie dives, fakes injury, disappears, wont hit, leaves players alone in front of his net and I don’t like that…but most do! He is not called upon to kill penalties. He is offense, offense, offense. This is great to many, indeed most, but not me…that’s it. He has the easiest job in the NHL. You like him I don’t. I like Smith, you don’t. I like Spezza you don’t. I like Turris, you don’t. I don’t like Daisey, Butler, Klink, Condra, Obrien, Dog, Cowen, Philips, you love them. I don’t like Cam-moron, you love him. I don’t like what the Murray’s have done, you love what they have accomplished. I have concerns about Lehner, you don’t. I like Petersson you hate him. I like Hoffman you hate him. I hated the fact that Silfverberg didn’t want to test his game in the preseason against NHLers, you loved it. I am concerend about Zibby scoring only 5 goals in the SEL, you love it. I didn’t like Da Costa, you loved him. I didn’t like Rundblad, you loved him. See a pattern here Wee Davey?

    Collie Campbell was the Sherriff and his one plays for the Bruins….really? I did not know that.

  21. OD99 says:

    I see one pattern and that is you are rambling again Bitter Bobby.

    For someone who always professes to “hate nobody, only actions” you throw the term around quite a bit. It really is hard to keep up with you and your delusions but for about the 100th time I will say that I actually like Spezza but I also understand the type of player he is and the restrictions he has to his game, just like I understand the restrictions that Karlsson has.

    You can say you want Doughty, Chara, Weber or any number of players over Karlsson and your opinion wouldn’t be wrong or even thought provoking because they are all elite players. Where your comments break down are when you try to paint Karlsson as a bad player or someone who hurts the Senators. Any team in the league would love to have Karlsson.

    You also lose credibility when you constantly harp on the reasons that Spezza isn’t as good as you think he should be – it is never his problem, it is always his line-mates or his coach or the fact the GM doesn’t stroke him publicly or whatever…he is mature enough to the take the heat and he has said as much in interviews so not sure why you can’t accept he has some areas to fix to be considered an elite difference maker.

    I am not sure how you haven’t seen Karlsson beat anyone to the outside yet think Spezza does it every game but whatever, you see what you see.

    As for the other players you mentioned there are far too many to go over but safe to say you are wrong in my perception of most of them. But you know that and you just like to write things that are inflammatory so no biggie.

    Black and white all day again – you love and I hate or you hate and I love. No grey in your world, eh Bobby? So tell me, are you an amazing golfer or do you suck? You must either shoot 65 every round or 150 right?

  22. Bobby Goodman says:

    Define amazing Dave? I played many corporate rounds with customers and they thought I was amazing. When I started to believe it, I played with real golfers and after getting soundly beaten (not just the score by the quality of the shots) I returned to earth and believed I was bum. I can hit some great shots and I also hit balls so far left or right they could wrap ball in bacon, send out the hounds and they would never find it, it is just that far off line. Perfection at golf is afleeting thing.

    I think Spezza is absolutely as good as he “should” be…but…I think his results “could” be better if he had a right winger. I don’t know about you but I think Murray leaking BS to the media and air dirty laundry in the forum of public opinon isn’t the best way to manage…do you? That is all I have said. I don’t make excuses for “The Spaz”; I don’t have to.

    Do I hate Karlsson (or anybody for that matter)…absolutely not! Do I think he is a bad player? No I don’t? Do I like the way he plays…absolutely not! You may have read this Davey-boy, but I suspect Karlie plays exactly the way the GM and Coach have asked him to play! You like him, I don’t. There is no hate, but, I do hate some of the things he does and wont do.

    Am I an amazing golfer or do I suck, it depends on who is judging me and the bench mark by which I am being measured…much like NHL hockey. After 30 years in the NHL, Murray and his family have yet to win a Cup. After 5 years here in Ottawa, the team is in a rebuild and everyone is so confident. Where as a player may lead a team in scoring for years and post amazing numbers, he will forever be a bum. Some can disapear for 5 weeks and still be a Star and…some are unbelievable citizens, hockey players and Gods no matter. I read that Bruce now thinks Foligno may get traded and before it was imperative he be signed. It is the same logic that dictates Ottawa must sign the very player they traded away to allow for the rebuild. It is Bruce’s opinion and thats great, I just don’t share it. Foligno’s 15 goals equalled Smith’s who played with lesser players all year, will not attract much attention should he be traded. I don’t agree with that either. But I suspect you do Davey.

    I have opinions, alway will and I am not shy to share em. If it offends thee, get over it.

  23. Daniel Murphy says:

    For OD99. I have had the priviledge of playing golf with Bobby G recently. I can tell you he is an outstanding golfer and easily shoots in the 70′s. He shot a 79 and missed a few short putts last time I played with him. 270 yard drives are the norm. I am serious. Bobby is an exceptional athlete despite being very old. He played every sport exceptionally well, however he could never beat anybody from the east end of Ottawa (read Overbrook/Vanier).

  24. OD99 says:

    They don’t offend me and why would they? They confuse me because you play both sides of an argument and only acknowledge the parts that support your thoughts. Do you recall near the end of the season when Spezza went pointless for 7 or 8 games? What do you say about that?

    Karlsson disappears for 5 weeks? If Karlsson hadn’t “disappeared” for 5 weeks he would have outscored Spezza by a fair margin – as it is he was right there with him. I don’t believe that is accurate but again, if it is, what does that say about Spezza? Karlsson has the exact same players on the ice as Spezza does yet he was only a few points behind him and had a better +/- for the season . What do you say to that? Same things regarding hits – Karlsson outhit him 2-1 yet you never acknowledge it or you spin something about a D needing to hit more than a forward or something about hits aren’t equal.

    Same thing with Cowen – he is one of the top hitters in the league but you give him zero credit. I agree he isn’t laying people out with perfectly timed open ice hits but there are plenty of times he has pasted guys coming down the boards and it is obvious from their reaction that the hit hurt plenty – but again, those aren’t acknowledged because you made up your mind about Cowen when we drafted him.

    Spezza has had some injuries and then one of his best seasons after Murray spoke to the media about him so I don’t think it bothers Spezza at all.

    If anyone takes things personally on here it is you. But you don’t just take what we say personally you take anything anyone says personally. The media have a comment about something and you come here and generalize like we all got together and conspired (because we are all lemmings and you are the true hockey mind), the people at Scotiabank boo Spezza and you come on here raving about how we all don’t appreciate him.

    The reality is that while I debate your comments more than anyone else’s, it really isn’t about you, it is about hockey in general. You need to get over yourself.

  25. Bobby Goodman says:

    I have tried Dave….I have tried very hard…but, I cannot get over myself. You being younger may find the transition easier. Lemmings are very fleixible.

  26. Bobby Goodman says:

    Sorry Dave, I take that back. I should never resort to that stuff and it wont happen again; passion for a team/sport should never be divisive. I have a point of view and it is not always shared by others. Again, please accept my appology and I promise it will never happen again.

    Murph, thanks for the kind words but wasn’t my score 69?

  27. OD99 says:

    Wow Bobby you are a good golfer.

    What course did you two play?

  28. OD99 says:

    Don’t worry about those comments Bobby, they seem quite tame compared to what you have written in the past and quite honestly there isn’t anything you could say on here to upset me personally.

  29. Daniel Murphy says:

    For OD99 – We played Greensmere. Bobby is or was a member there.

  30. BGoody says:

    Hi Davey, sorry I didn’t respond…my ‘puter has taken ill. Thanks for accepting my appology…this forum really should be an opporutunuty to exchange thoughts, ideas and points of views without the venom. I have been an offender and it will never happen again. It is great to celebrate a player and my point of view will never change that and that is a good thing. All too often individuals are demonized for not sharing the same point of view and it is my opinion that this is very wrong.

    As for golf Dave, I have played well at times and have been awful but hot damn it is a magnificent obsession…isn’t it???!!!!

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