Busy times

- July 24th, 2012

Been a busy couple of days in the NHL.
First, Rick Nash was dealt to the New York Rangers by the Columbus Blue Jackets. Then, today the Nashville Predators opted to match the 14-year, $110 million deal the Philadelphia Flyers extended to defenceman Shea Weber.
I do think the Senators should consider themselves fortunate they signed Erik Karlsson when they did. I wrote in May that the market was ripe for a Group II offer. The kind of money the Preds will have to shell out for Weber is crippling.
Karlsson could have been a target in my opinion.
I know all the experts who know better won’t agree.
Yup, they speak with NHL types every day so they know better.
The offer Weber received from the Flyers could have easily been given by somebody else to Karlsson. It ends up the $52 million deal he signed last month looks pretty reasonable.
Enjoy the summer. It’s pretty busy for this time of year.
No decision on Daniel Alfredsson. The two sides are talking about a one year extension. Nobody is in a hurry.

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18 comments

  1. ChokerHater says:

    If your going to sarcastic to your people who post here, why bother having a blog
    you know we don’t talk to GM’s every day, so I guess that means our opinions don’t count and are wrong?
    on the other hand, are you comparing Karlsson to Weber
    not even close

  2. keith says:

    Bruce, there must be lots to write about the new CBA that the NHL and PA are trying to hammer out.

  3. The contracts being thrown around are obscene and make little sense to me. Would anyone describe Nashville as a large market location? If I was the GM, I would have taken the 4 first rounders. I have to believe that outrageous offer sheets must kindle bad blood between the two organizations no matter the outcome. So why was there a lock out? One suspect there would have been some “table talk” (colusion) amongst the owners to limit the team payroll and offer sheets that do nothing but drive the cap up but actions speak louder than words. I really don’t know how Nashville (not your average hockey hot bed) can afford to this insane contract awarded to Webber. But they are stuck with it now. The owners are the authors of their own fate.

    Bruce, if Karlsson could have been a target for an offer sheet from another organization, why wasn’t he?

    I am confused (and that is easy to do) with your suggestion that the “two sides are talking about a one year extension”. If God is already on the hook for another year at $1m, a one year extension would imply this year and next? Is this what you are saying?

  4. Bruce Garrioch says:

    You accusing anybody of being sarcastic has to be the funniest thing I’ve ever read.

  5. Bank Street Blues says:

    I don’t talk to GMs, admittedly, but I would bet my lunch there is not a GM in the league who would take Karlsson over Weber. I have seen Weber live 7 times and there is a world of difference between the two, Norris or not…

  6. Sean says:

    @Bobby – A team couldn’t produce an offer sheet to Karlsson, to my understanding, until the day after the entry draft. He was signed before that so no team could offer him one yet.

  7. ChokerHater says:

    know all the experts who know better won’t agree.
    Yup, they speak with NHL types every day so they know better.”

    It wasn’t an accusation, it’s a fact, and I’m not the host, and you have total control of content, so you should be bigger

    @Bobby
    I think there was some “table talk” but Bobby Clark and company have never been ones to tow the line, you can be pretty sure there are some very angry GM’s right now, worried that this could turn into an all out brawl in the next few years. Essentially what this has done is tied up Nashville from signing up other big named free agents, and now I see other teams going after Philly players when they become available just to give them a taste of their own medicine and to tie their hands. Philly didn’t lose anything in this, they didn’t overpay a player, and they tied the hands of a competitor

  8. Bruce Garrioch says:

    Relax Choker it’s not a shot at you. It’s a shot at all those who think they know better. I do think it’s funny you would be upset about sarcasm. You’ve made a living off it here.

  9. ChokerHater says:

    WELL THAT HURT HAHAHAHAHA

    Stay calm

    I think Philly did that knowing that Nashville would match, especially after losing Suter, they had no choice, so Philly went overboard and now Nashville has their hands tied, and I can see that happening to Ottawa in the future, it’s not that the other team needs the player, they just want other teams cap space filled, that leaves them open to sign free agents, and if they do end up getting the player, it’s not like they are getting a dud.
    Boby Clark was the dirtiest player the NHL ever knew, and is the dirtiest de facto GM they’ve ever known

  10. Bruce Garrioch says:

    I can’t believe Nashville matched.

  11. OD99 says:

    When did Bruce say that GM’s would take Karlsson over Weber? Never.

    He did say that since one stud D received a huge RFA offer sheet that perhaps the reigning Norris trophy winner (who is 5 years younger than Weber) might have been a target if he had been available – seems pretty logical to me but that has never been something in abundant supply on this blog. Murray did get a deal on signing Karlsson and that is a huge part of the Senators moving forward.

    Bobby don’t be confused because you are right – the discussion means that Aflie is at least contemplating adding another year to his contract so that he would play for 2 more years and that is music to my ears…would be amazing.

    Chokerlover is the heat getting to you? You are extra testy lately…or just the realization that your beloved Sharks are now in the midst of a downward spiral? At least they won’t be considered chokers in a few years…just a bad hockey team.

  12. OD99 says:

    Bruce the trouble is that getting 4 first rounders that will likely be picks 22ish or higher for 4 years doesn’t really help your team that much either.

    If Nashville decided not to match they would have to essentially start a rebuild themselves.

  13. I can’t believe Nashville matched either. We are not privy to Nashville’s financial situation but I suspect the contract hurts them. I am no expert (but do enjoy sharing an opinion or two) but I would have taken the 4 first rounders and the extra cash expecially when Webber intimated he wanted out. The problem there started and ended with Howison. As the GM he should have been intimately aware of both players disposition and worked out a trade well in advance.

    Is Bobby Clark the defacto GM, Choke? I would be shocked if he is; I don’t think he is the sharpest pencil in the drawer and a few of his contracts and forgetting the Team’s first draft choice’s name are testimonies to that fact. I never liked the dirt bag although he did have heart. He grew a huge pair when Shultz, the Kellys, Dupont (the Hound and Mad Dog), Soleski and others joined the team. He broke many bones and was calculated and careless (by design) with his stick which bought him even more room (time and space in today’s venacular). But it was when he broke Karlamov’s ankle that sent me over the edge.

    Thanks for the clarification Sean…I did not know that.

  14. Mike8888 says:

    I’m not surprised that Nashville matched at all. They had a choice, to match the offer and keep one of the best D in the world or become a farm team for the other NHL teams.

  15. Mikey, one single player will not elevate a team from the bowels. I love the big, tough high scoring Canadian defenceman but it was a high price to pay. We are not privy to the financials associated with running the Preds but based on assumptions we have to wonder:

    - does Webber really want to be there (he has seen what the GM’s capabilities); and
    - how handicapped will the team be for the next 4 years (teams typically will have a 4 year window to realistically win the prize).

    It would be very interesting to see where Doan lands; if he doesn’t stay in Phoenix, it may very well be he ends up playing for a Canadian team in the West. I saw him interviewed not so long ago saying he would never leave Phoenix…never say never. Apparently he will entertain offers from the Habs. If he pulls on the CH it will be another bold move (and good one) made my Bergevin who has proven his worth before the season has even started. I really like what he has done already! I don’t know what Lord Burke has done to make the Leafs better player wise but he is another GM who made the consious decision to hire an ex-NHLer to be Director of Player Development…why the hell do they do that?

  16. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Here’s why Karlsson didn’t get an offer.
    He’s part of the Swedish Connection here in Ottawa. There’s Papa Alfie, little brothers Mika and Jakob and he won’t get that in another market. Thus, he’ll likely regress, especially when handled by a coach that won’t let him play like a cowboy in a 200 foot sandbox.

    Karlsson win the Norris, but I wonder if Doughty was even nominated? Don’t think so but he can play both ways and got his team to the finals. He’s a winner. Chara was nominated, he’s a winner. Weber got nominated, he won with Team Canada and has been one of Nashville’s best players. He can also play at both ends of the week, in all situations. What has Karlsson won? Nothing. How many playoff rounds have we won with Karlsdottir in the lineup? Zero. Yeah, I’m REAL excited about Karlsson.

    Again I ask: Murray’s all offense, one-dimensional “D” plan has not produce a winner when he was coach or since he has been GM. The teams that advance in the playoffs do not ALWAYS go on the attack. Granted they DO attack but you don’t see them sacrifiicng defensive positioning or throwing out the baby with the bathwater to do so.
    So again, after Murray said his team didn’t need to block shots and was beaten by the Rangers who blocked nearly everything…and even the Devils and Kings and Caps and Preds blocked shots and advanced, what gives?
    We were told Stephane Da Costa is the next Adam Oates but he got a two-way deal? Pourquoi? We were told Borowiecki is Scott Stevens, high praise but still unfounded. I keep hearing that the Swedish Elite League is a men’s league. Guess what, so are a bunch of RA Centre leagues and there’s probably more hitting there!
    Watching the SEL clips it’s shameful how soft it is. Players just skating around this big surface, tentative poke-checks to dislodge pucks and no one stepping into his man on the ice or along the boards. It may as well be Timbit Hockey with a more glorious name.

    Now, what will be mainstream media’s prediction for the Senators? Last year they were 15th and finished 8th. How will they perform with raised expectations? If there’s one thing that’s been abundantly clear about the Senators over the years it’s that if you put any type of pressure or expectation on them, they fall apart like a house of cards.
    It will be fascinating to see what happens when teams stop taking them lightly.

    As for Alfie, he may as well get another year after this one. Murray is incapable of saying no to anyone and is incapable of moving on from the old core so hey, give Alfredsson a 10 million signing bonus and minimum NHL salary and enjoy! This team simply is not young, strong or skilled or hungry enough to win the Cup, but maybe a nice first round and out and we can talk about prospects that can’t elevate at the NHL level.

    Have a great summer guys!

  17. ChokerHater says:

    I’m not surprised, I’ll bet they can now trade him and the contract, for better than four late rounders
    Hey Over Dose, I’ve got a new favorite team
    remember Dany Boy got traded
    watch his big comeback year this year.
    still bitter at him I see, even though he had the right to refuse a trade, just like Nash did, and I don’t hear you whinning and crying about Nash. Oh that’s right, you were hoping he came here, till he told your GM just like Dany did,
    to blow smoke hahahahahahaha
    lovin it
    see ya all at the Open, go Ernie, Mike and Brad

  18. OD99 says:

    Chokerlover – the heat really is getting to you – never mentioned Whany Cheatley at all yet here you are bringing him up.

    I don’t doubt you have a new favourite team – it probably switches every few years since kids are prone to doing that.

    Nash had nothing to do with the Sens so why would I care what he did? I am glad he didn’t come to Ottawa as I mentioned on here before that I don’t think his game fit well with Spezza.

    Sharks will be tadpoles soon enough…and Minny will be a disappointment for a few years too

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