Colin the Video star

- February 24th, 2013

Big night for Colin Greening Saturday against the Maple Leafs.
Then a guy on twitter unearthed this video that is sure to make its way to the dressing room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OULF9zuak8

Greening did this video while at Cornell. Members of the basketball and hockey team did it to help support the 2010 Duff Ball. It’s a Senior prom and all proceeds go directly to the United Way of Tomkins County.

Marc Methot has promised this will be seen in the Senators dressing room … Maybe Monday.

 

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33 comments

  1. Pav says:

    Quote of from Randy Caryle

    “We have our share too; we just haven’t made as big a splash about our share of injuries I guess. Our media isn’t allowed to do that I guess.”

    I would like him to point out where he is missing:
    - all star d man
    - first line centre
    - top NHL goalie

    And him saying that just proves how fragile the leafs are.

    Good win by the sens

  2. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pav, don’t you know that Carlyle is brilliant, he must be, he was hand picked by “The Big Irishman”? Carlyle is “a master at matching lines”. He is a “strategist and a tactician”. He is a “defencive magician”! He is unbelievable! But isn’t it interesting that he left their leading scorer in the manures at the start of this year and for the most of last year! He did the same to Frattin who joined the big club late and promplty scored 6 goals! The same genius took the Lord Burke built hockey club to…to…they didn’t make the playoffs last year or did they? The Leafs started winning games when they bullied other teams into submission. Without Orr, the team plays differently. I like a big, tough 4th line that can skate and, a big tough skating 3rd line that can also fight is even better! As much as I prefer speed, courage (to go into the corners, hit and block shots) and skill/talent, this is a reality in the NHL; it always has and always will.

    My son was at the Leafs/Sens game and he said the Toronto fans were even louder than they usually are. Could that have something to do with Silly Leader’s “plan”. It was not well thought out at all with predicatable results! As I have said, if he wants things to change, put a better product on the ice, beat them and escort anyone who behaves badly out of the building! The Leaf fans came to Ottawa by the bus load to be heard and they were!

    I hear Tim Finchem suggest that the PGA will allow anchoring the puttler! This is very disappointing and IMO makes a farce of the game. But it is the PGA’s fault for allowing it for the last 30 years. Although the USGA and the Royal and Ancient (the governing bodies for the Rules of Golf) have ruled against it persay (Kuchar can anchor it against his forearm) the PGA will not join them. I am sure they don’t want to defend a hard line in the courts! To me, golf is played by holding the club with the hands and that is all. Locking the club in any other manner is a departure from the way the game is meant to be played. Shame.

  3. OD99 says:

    Great win – well deserved as well.

    Hey Bobby another stat for you…just because ;)

    Couturier – 18GP 2G 5A and -4 >>> 18:16 TOI/G and 40% on face-offs

    Zibby 13 GP 3G 3A and +3 >> 13:00 TOI/G and 40% on face-offs (but one huge win on Saturday!)

    One tore up junior in Canada and the other couldn’t score in any league for the last couple of years…let’s just keep watching and see what happens.

  4. Daniel Murphy says:

    Couldn’t help but notice that last years surprise phenom, is this years worse goalie, statistically. With a 3.57 goals against average and a save percentage of .849, I have to think the real Brian Elliot has re-appeared. It is funny how players star one year and stink the other. This is why I would not sign any NHL player to a big contract unless they have proven for 3-5 years running that their stats are not one year wonders.

    If I am Murray, I think Bishop is the one that gets traded…, Although he has played fairly well, he has looked soft on some goals and he certainly doesn’t make too many saves look easy. A good way to a judge the true skills of a goalie is to see whether he makes most saves look or easy or if every save is a near miss and an adventure. For Bishop, it is the latter.

    Despite Chicago’s impressive start, they must be wondering if they really have the goal-tending to take them to the promise land. I would not put my faith in Emery and I don’t think Crawford has been around long enough to be considered a bona fide number one goalie.

  5. Pav says:

    Bobby, the quote came from a Toronto Sports Network artice that was written on how the Leafs ‘gave away’ two points.

    The Toronto Sports Network is pro Toronto, so any time the Laffs lose agianst Ottawa, its a blow to them as well.

    Caryle is a good coach, but the comment he made just shows that he has no concept. The funny thing is there is none there that can compare to Jason, Erick and Anderson. If Milan is better than most of their players.

    Are the leafs playing well? yes.. but are they any better than a healthy SENS sqaud? HELL NO. The Leafs should have walked over us on Saturday.. is there anyone here that would disagree with me?

    Tonight is going to be a massive test for Ottawa. The Habs are playing amazing. Carey Price is outstanding. His numbers are pretty close to Andersons right?

  6. Bobby Goodman says:

    Indeed Dave, but I look at the body of work. I am not a one-off guy. Coutourier’s numbers aren’t the best this year but I have seen him play a few times and he plays against the other teams best every single game. He also kills penalties every single game. He will hit and go into the corners and battle for the puck every single game and he scored 14 goals in the NHL at the age of 18 when Zibby was scoring 5 in the SEL. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck….

    I’m looking forward to the game tonight…who will be ‘tween the pipes? Like you, I think Benoit has been great and I wonder why he would sit to allow a spot for Lundin no matter who the Sens would play?

    BTW: what is your call on the long putter?

  7. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pav, based on your size, I wouldn’t disagree with you on any issue! Even when you wrong…you right! When you turn left you are right and…well, you know! Indeed the team will be tested tonight, the Habs used to be the Hab Nots but not this year! The new regime have them all on board singing the same song and pulling in the same direction. They have some rookies who are couragous and skilled. They have 3 who are superb at the point on the PP! Emelin is a hitting machine who really punishes the opposition with head on hits (not deliberately following someone into the corner…that aint a hit to me). And, they have one of the best, if not the very best goalie in the entire league!

    I don’t think Carlyle is a good coach at all. He stumbles on things that work.

    Yo Murph, goalies are a different breed (you should know) and indeed they can go south in a hurry. Chicago looks to be the best team in the league with their record but we all know that things change big time in the post season. I will say this, Kane is playing his best hockey and I am not going simply on his numbers, it is what I witness in his play!

  8. Peter Quinlan says:

    Now I finally know what goes on in The Cloak & Dagger Society.

  9. OD99 says:

    Glad you took my post as it was meant Bobby – mostly in jest. I will note this old story though and this is in regard to all of our youngsters…some ugly ducklings turn into beautiful swans…

    I have nothing against Couturier and thought we might draft him but from the little I have seen of Zibby in the NHL he looks like he has tons of room to grow and that is encouraging. I also think you will see Zibby killing penalties soon enough and I have yet to see him shy away from any contact. Drafting is so tough – in reality I wanted Dougie Hamilton because I think you can never have enough good D – but I believe in this organizations scouting and drafting so I decided to see what Zib has to offer. Right now anything that happened before this season is inconsequential.

    The long putter is something I haven’t agreed with for a long time – I remember a guy my dad played with all the time and was/is a very good player made the move to a long putter and it made him 2-4 strokes better. I was amazed at how much more consistent he was, especially on the shorter putts.

    I am a traditionalist so I hope the PGA decides that the game deserves more respect and that these guys who are using the long putter need to get back to basics. That said – the PGA claims that there is no evidence to suggest that the long putter allows players to putt any better…to me it does though.

  10. Bobby Goodman says:

    Gents, we all agreed that the Habs would be a test but this win is an embarrassment….but a win. I have never agreed a game Star should be selected based on a single shot/goal in a shoot-out. Game Stars should star for the entire game! In a game completely dominated (shots/teritorially) by Montreal, they earn one Star to Ottawa’s 2?!

    Bruce, I was not one of those who thought Methot would struggle; why the hell would he? I didn’t expect much but I have become a huge fan. He is big, aggressive, can skate, is calm and a stabalizing force on the back end! With Karlsson out, he can play a game that shows off much more of what he is capable of. He doesn’t have to recover for someone who is 100 feet up the ice with the forwards.

    Montreal really showed off their quick and precision passing as well as their skating ability. The only bum on their team was PK who looks like he is carrying quite few extra pounds and is v e r y s l o w. The only star for the Sens was Bishop…hell, the game was entirely in his end!

    Sly and Zibby do not show off the speed that was promoted. Neither of them have beaten anyone with their legs, skill. They do not show the willingness to fight for loose pucks on the battlefield in front of the net (but we do from tiny Galagher). Sly has a terrific shot and is great in the shoot out. Turris slows down crossing the blueline (he used to beat the D with his speed). He is struglling mightily; he should have said he would score 4 goals this year rather than 30 and set some reaisitic expectations. I hazzard to think what his game would be like without the help he gets from God (who along with Regin were two of Ottawa’s best forwards). DD has one goal less than the kids now and he didn’t have promotional campaigns dedicated to him! Fans and the media get giddy for one game but forget about all the others that were awful. That is how desperate we are to celebrate….something, anything.

    The Sens won the game but fans had to leave the building with far less air in their balloon than when they arrived. One team showed off their speed, skill, courage and the other showed off their depth between the pipes. Allowing 45 shots (and they weren’t all perimeter shots from far out) reveals a hell of a lot. This is the team that is in the middle of their 3 year rebuild and I don’t know who (aside from the obvious ones) inspire it is working and they are on track? It is comical to listen to York, Yorks, Yorkie between the periods last night (every night) celebrating only Sens players when the other team completely dominated. Potvin called himself an “analyst”, he’s half right? He is an embarrassment and cheerleader only. Last night, as analyst, he should have been more critical but refused (it is not in the job description). Zibby and Sly are totally off limits. Brown and Potvin should be forced to watch and listen to themselves, they would then know our pain and suffering

  11. Daniel Murphy says:

    Well after Bishop’s incredible performance, perhaps I keep him and trade one of the others. Anyway it is a nice dilemna to be in. Whatever Murray does down the road, I simply hope he gets the maximum value back in return.

    Turris looked horrible. It seemed to me he was falling down every 20 seconds. I am not sure what the final faceoff stats were but everytime I watched with interest, we seemed to have lost the face off.

    Nevertheless, we are or near the top and that is all that counts. Do we start Bishop against Boston on Thursday or do we give Lehner a chance? No matter what decision is made, a loss will cause contraversy. I suggest riding Bishop to the bank. Lehner will get his chance(s) in due course.

    Does Anderson weigh more than 95 pounds? He did not look much heavier than that based on seeing him in his track suit shaking hands with Budjai last night.

    Note to Bobby Goodman: Us poor folks from Overbrooke couldn’t afford CCM Tacks way back when. Only the wealthy and privileged from Westboro had Tacks albeit it did not help their hockey playing skills.

  12. Mike8888 says:

    Re Zibby: If I recall, before the draft his stock shot up fast. This leads me to believe he may take a bit longer to develop into the player he will be as he may be a late bloomer. Anyway, he seems to be gaining more confidence game by game and is starting to become more physical. He’s also 19 years old and in a new country. I’d say we’ll know for sure whether Couturier would have been a better choice in a few years. There has been many NHL players who’ve had fast starts, but then tail off shortly after.

  13. Bobby Goodman says:

    Oh Danny-boy, you are a card. I grew up in a part of town called “the Vets” where homes were built after the war. There were nine of us, all linving in a match box. Every evening we were fed poison and ever night we were woken 10 minutes before we were put to bed. The first time I had Tacks was when I played Junior, before that is was Bauer Black Panthers from Canadian Tire. Before that it was hand me downs 3 sizes to big and before that we had to grow our toe nails and learn to skate on them!

    You guys in poor old Overbrook had “Tackleberries” from the time you came out of the shute! There was no need for episiotomies! Yes the Murphys, Sheards, Potvins, McSheffreys, Deslonges and the Potvins lived like Kings compared to the kids from the Vets.

    Turris is having a tough time. He looks lost and his confidence is shaken. In spite of him not scoring a goal in 16 games he still leads the team in scoring with 12 ploints in 20 games. A 40 year old in next with 11 and a litte defencemen is next in points with 10 but first in goals with 6. Next to him is some with 4 goals. Greening is 4th in team scoring with 9 points in 19 games. The two young stars have 3 goals and 3 assists each in 20 and 14 games. I wonder if this is what Paul Maclean was referring to when he attributed success to team “structure” on the radio this morning? Structure can be spelled in two ways: anderson or bishop.

    I have never understood “structure” in the sport of hockey; to me it conjures up images of concrete, foundations, buildings, the military, restrictions and lack of imagination/creativity. Does this resemble hockey in any way? Nor do I understand the over used term “system”. How many systems can there be and why does it take players a long time to learn a team’s system. Its not like an NFL Playbook…or is it? I can’t be the only one confused by these terms because in all my years I have yet to hear the hockey experts, play by play men or the colour guys (Potvin is an anlayst) offer an explanation. I would like Potvin to explain to confused people like me how the Ottawa Senators have implemented “structure” in their game. While he is at it, why not share with us the team’s “system” that is used. He certainly must have the knowledge, afterall, he is a self proclaimed “analyst”!

  14. OD99 says:

    Murph why the rush to trade any goalie?

    Right now we have a luxury we have NEVER had (well Hasek for 1/2 a season) and I don’t understand why so many people are champing at the bit to move one of the goalies.

    Lehner can finish the season in the A while Anderson and Bishop finish out the season…if anything we can move Bishop in the off season or next year…Lehner may not like it but he is the 3rd goalie right now and the Sens need to maximize the return.

    It is too bad they are all playing so well actually…would be great if we could keep Lehner in the A one more year but he is clearly ready to test himself in the NHL.

    Ya Bobby the Sens were embarrassed last night but once again I REFUSE to apologize for winning a game our goalie stole from us. The Habs are very quick and showed why they are #1 in the East but the Sens had been playing very well I am expecting them to put forth a better effort against the Bruins.

    I would be all for Silf having a seat in the press box…he is still a good, responsible player but he needs to get better shots and learn what to do when he has the puck on his stick…he gets it and goes up the wing and then either flicks a weak shot on net or gives it up…he is good off the cycle and coming from behind the net but even then he isn’t cutting hard to the slot and getting a shot away (although no Senator is doing that at this point).

    10 straight points is crazy and in looking at the upcoming schedule the Sens should be able to go .500 over the next 4 and if they pick up more than that it is gravy…

  15. PaV says:

    Bobby, I am not usually right.

    Did you know that the Toronto Sports Network has the leafs ahead of the SENS for power rankings?

    Bog 5 game road trip. Boston, not sure how we will match up. To be honest, I haven’t followed how Boston is doing.

    They are up by a point, so its going to be a great game either way.

  16. Mike8888 says:

    It doesn’t matter who is not scoring if the team is winning.

  17. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pav….might is right! You, mate, are right all the time (at least from my perspective 6-1 194).

    You could be right Dave, but I believe it would be prudent, in a rebuild, to bank draft picks or young QUALIFIED prospects. Investing in players will always have an element of risk and it is far more risky with goaltenders. The Sens have 3!! Making a call now on who will be best for the long term is tough, but I suspect we all know who the organization has in mind! Ottawa could move two of them now (or wait until teams are really desperate) and really put themselves in a spectacular position. The team could get some skaters skaters and have the luxury of a fantastic goalie (Andersson or the Chosen).

    I would never appologize for a win Dave but relenquishing 45 shots and winning the game tells a story. The Sens have been wining their games primarily becuase the goaltending has been off the charts. Not only has Anderson been the best goalie in the league, to me he is hands down the League MVP! His save percentage tells the entire story (wins can be deceiving as hell). If I am right and he is the reason for the teams position, as great as that is, where is the support? Is this a winning formula and is it sustainable? Personally, I don’t think playing in the post season with a team that that relies exclusively on goaltending is healthy. Where are the stars?

    It is interesting that we, you, Mikey and I have been calling for some from the farm to play for a while now! Gryba, another I said would never make the NHL, has been great and he has size! His game is leap years better than it was last year and in one game at the Bank he looked terrible (but it was just one game). Leading any league, let alone a professional league in +/- is difficult and should be celebratred. D2 has looked good, Benoit has been great. They are only hear because they were pressed into service because of injuries! Why Lundin is even on the radar makes no sense to me. Both kids should have been allowed to develop in the manures. Does the team want Zibby to be a puck chasing 3rd or 4th liner (perhaps that is what he is)? Silfverberg has a great shot but he doesn’t get involved. Neither of them have the speed that was so often talked about. DaOates-like Costa is skilled, but so have many players been who has success in the AHL. Silfverberg wasn’t among the league leaders there, in fact he was far from it.

    The Montreal game win or lose displayed one organization ascending and another descending. I am not really optimistic about the team’s future (damn I wish I was). I do not see a remote possibility that this team will come close to looking like what we all were fortunate to have not too long ago when 5 and 6 goals were commonplace and pizzas were given away. If goaltending, a spectacular, soft, skinny kid and of course Methot (love em) is the best Brian, Timmie, Pierre and Randy can do, then the team is destined to be middle of the pack or worse.

  18. Daniel Murphy says:

    OD99, iI am not chomping at the bit to trade any of the goalies however sooner or later one will have to go. The challenge for Murray is to decide when to pulll the plug and when is the right time so he can get maximum value. Simply waiting around until next year sometime just might backfire, especially if the likes of Bishop turn into an Elliot or a Theordore and prove to be one year wonders only.

    Bobby, I recall you and your brother dressed up to play pee wee hockey if though you were modeling for the NHL Sporting News. Anyway, those were the good old days. If I recall back in the early 60′s, Bauer Black Panthers retailed for around 17.95. It was cool to have black skates. Nobody I knew had Tacks except the rich geeks who played for Elmavale-Urbandale. (i.e. McSheffrey, Billy Fox, etc…)

  19. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Always glad to come here and see the opinions.
    The Toronto media is far from friendly to the Leafs. They wanted to trade Kessel before he scored his frist goal. They wanted the team blown up and saw then as a 9th place team. Rarely do they give the Leafs any positive credit, look at Bob McKenzie, Pierre McGuire, Glenn Healy all praising us. They reluctantly give Toronto praise now that they are winning.

    As for Carlyle, I don’t know how you can “stumble” on anything, hockey isn’t that complicated. The Leafs problem was Ron Wilson, who wanted to run and gun and the team wasn’s suited for that. Carlyle made it very clear to every member of the Leafs that they would sit if they were not playing well, that everyone would play both ends or that would be that. And yes, that means playing with structure. Becaue while you need to allow for a certain amount of creativity, you need players to follow the gameplan or games will be lost. Hockey is more like chess these days than it is about freedom.

    Oh and Pav, you ask where the comparables are. Jake Gardiner made the All-Rookie team and is an excellent yiung defenseman. Joffrey Lupul nearly had 80 points last season before getting injured. Frattin had 3 or 4 game-winning goals before being injured. Those are good players. We aren’t the only team with good players! If you were like me or Bobby you could see that other teams have talent and that our own team should be criticized!

    Speaking of Ottawa, Kyle Turris said he would score 30 goals. But he hasn’t scored a lone goal in close to 10 games. But no one is reminding Turris of what he said, I wonder why? I guess if you crtifize an Ottawa Senator you lose access to the team, thankfully we can do it and not lose our jobs! Turris is extremely overrated. All we heard is that he put on 20 pounds and would be excellent. Sadly, adding weight doesn’t make you more skilled or a better player! Imagine if Pavel Bure, Wayne Gretzky, John Tavares had put on 20 or 30 pounds, would they have done better? Yes, I know Tavares isn’t in their leagues but the point remains…each player’s ideal weight is different.

    So now Alfie is saying that Silf reminds him of himself! I hope Alfie realizes that it took him 10 years before he figured out the NHL playoffs, that he was labelled an underachiever piror to the Pizza Line being assembled? Silfverberg is nowhere near Alfredsson in two-way play, in scoring touch or any other department! He is closer to Jere Lehtinen, who was a fantastic two-way player in his own way with a good shot.

    Out team is average, very average. Wonder Karlsson is a one-man show and we miss Jason Spezza very, very, very much. Memo to Bryan Murray. We do not need help on defence, we need help at forward! We have 12 scrubs and Spezza and Michalek. I am dying to see how we do against Boston, because if there is one team that doesn’t get enough respect it is them. Karlie should beg Chara to show him how to slow down the game and become a…

  20. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    P.S> Bobby, it was not Carlyle that left Kadri down last year, it was Burke. Burke did not like Kadri’s off-ice attitude (there were rumours he smoked a cigar and went to parties) and so kept him down there. Once Burke left, Carlyle was able to decide who played and Kadri got his chance…

  21. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pierre, you are right hockey isn’t that complicated, although there are many who try to make us think it is!

    I am assuming you are a Randy Carlyle fan, if that is the case what “structure” did he introduce to the team?What “system” has he employed? When every player takes turns playing with one another…no thats not what I meant…when combinations of players change every game and then suddenly one works…I call that stumbling. The brilliant Toronto coach was one of several who took turns brow beating Kadri. Carlyle was the one who sent him down. As long as I have been around, GMs sign the players and the Coach decides who plays for him. Carlyle had a few down in the manures who should have been on last years team that, again, missed the playoffs! Carlyle was the the guy who sent him down again this year! He is the guy who sent Frattin down to the Marlies and he is the guy who stumbled on some defencemen who have worked out well! I wonder if Burke was responsible for them wallowing in the manures too! It doesn’t make a hell of alot of sense that Burke, President and GM, would hold his number 1 pick back for two years because he didn’t like his attitude!?

    Randy Carlyle only knows how to win with players willing to bloody the opposition. The Ducks sullied the Sens in ’07 who played in the Stanley Cup finals with only one on the team that was willing to go; Murray didn’t dress McGratton for a single game and Anaheim had the likes of Pronger, May, Moen, Thornton, Perros, Getzlaf, Perry, Beauchemin, all tough, one brutal (live by the sword, die by the sword). They even had little Kunitz was a very willing particpant. Brilliant coaching by Murray huh? The organziation even had some toughness and lunatics in Bingo. The Sens didn’t have a chance. Beating another team into submission is not great coaching!

    I really like Frattin, Pierre, and his 6 goals was incredible (I don’t remember reading/hearing all the hype about him). Gardiner is very good. I can lie and say that I believe Silfverberg and Zibby will be great but I don’t even believe they will be good. I don’t think that makes me negative or a hater. This team is not very good but, they do have great goaltending!

  22. Pav says:

    Vis? Be more like you and Bobby? Really?

    Toronto doesn’t have the same talent on IR that we do. Plain and simple.

    There is talent on other teams but tht wasn’t my point. It went righ over your head.

  23. Mike8888 says:

    I don’t know which goalie should be traded but I agree that the Sen’s should wait to obtain maximum value. If I was the GM of the Blue Jackets or the Oilers, I would certainly be contacting Murray. That being said, the Blue Jackets don’t have much to offer. I was looking at their draft record the other day, and to call it abysmal would be kind.

  24. Bobby Goodman says:

    I have to wonder what system was used by the Leafs in their game against the Habs last night? Where was the structure? When the much smaller Habs wouldn’t accommodate Toronto’s hit squad, all the systems and structure Carlyle is attributed to bringing to Lord Burke’s team, disappeared!

    The brilliant tactition/stategist Carlyle has yet to learn that courage isn’t necessarily all about dropping the gloves; it does however mean that a player will play every shift, every game going in areas where it may not be so pleasant, no matter who they play. Team speed is also very important. Speed never goes into a slump. Neither does courage. But if a speedy player doesn’t possess the necessary courage, he will only speed around the perimeter where it is safe!. Little Galagher is a player! He might be 5-9 and that’s debatable, but it doesn’t stop him from parking his butt in front of the net or going into the corners and always competing for loose pucks! Last night he scored his 6th goal, was plus two, registered 5 shots and was credited for 2 hits! The skilled players Lord Burke brought on board, Kessel, Bozak, JVR and Phaneuf were collectively -15! Guys like Kamorov or Brown are members of that fratenity (Daisey was also a member) who register hits by following someone into the corner and them running them. Kamorov is being celebrated this year for it! That takes no courage at all. Prust earns respect from his team mates every night and there are two hockey clubs who are fools for letting him go! He is another heart and soul guy!

    I coudn’t believe my ears when a member of the “panel” chose Burke over Bergevin for GM of the year. Bergevin, singlehandedly, re-established some pride in the organization. He hired many competent individuals, who have NHL Player on their resume and put them in key positions ! He has 6 draft picks in the first 3 rounds next year. Lord Burke on the other hand, embarrassed the organization with his arrogance, his personality, lack of class and of course, his behavior! The team that Lord Burke built, is not a great hockey club and if what Pierre says is true, he had a personal vendetta against one of his 1st round draft choices!

  25. OD99 says:

    My views on the goalies are somewhat complicated…

    1. Goalies just don’t get moved that often and typically when they do they don’t get a huge return (Lindback got a good return from T-Bay but he isn’t playing great so is more a cautionary tale) so I don’t know what we could expect right now.

    2. Since we don’t know what we have just yet (I am of the mind that any of our youngsters could still become impact players) I would prefer to hold off as long as we can to not only maximize our return but ensure we are getting pieces that would be most valuable to us.

    I also don’t necessarily trust Murray as much making trades for pro players as much as I trust our scouting department…

    That said, his two trades to get Anderson and Bishop sure look good right now.

  26. Bobby Goodman says:

    They were damn good trades Dave!

    Danny, I have a couple of questions for you. On your Senior A team Gatineau Nordique, who was the guy who wore #21, was his name Porier (did he played in the Q for Ramparts); he was fantastic player. The other question is, whose decision was it to go for the Allen Cup and not the Hardy Cup. Given that Lally had played for a Grey Cup winning footbal team, an Allen Cup national championship Senior A hockey team and a MANN national championship in Laccrosse, shouldn’t he have gone to the Hardy and that to his resume? In hind sight do you think you git off more than you could chew (The Hardy Cup is no slouch but the Allen Cup crowned the best of the best in Senior A. Embrun Panthers won it that year you buys beat them!

  27. KevinF says:

    Post after Leaf post , guess you guys didn’t get the memo from the self proclaimed moderator that this s a SENS blog only SENS talk allowed. Pav your teams on a win streak and and all you do is about the Leafs Niagara Falls franky Angel.

  28. Bobby Goodman says:

    Mikey, it is a tough decision (which goalie to keep) but at the same time, it is a great poition to be in! In the advanced polls, the popular opinion is to keep Lehner and who can argue with that! Afterall, he is big, very young (21 I think) and very talented. My only concern with thim him is his attitude/character. Right now he is saying all the right things (right on queue) which represents a radical change from previous years. Is this him or is it temporary veneer to please? From our perspective it is hard to tell, either way I do not believe he would be happy anywhere riding the pines in a back up role (he is a starter). Goalies are different (sorry Murp but it is true) and that’s OK but they cannot be disruptive (Emery).

  29. Mike8888 says:

    I agree Bobby. Lehner should be kept. The big question is Bishop or Anderson? All 3 appear to have bright futures. I’m not going to mention Toronto.

  30. Daniel Murphy says:

    Bobby, I don’t want to upset Kevin, but I think you might be referring to Michel Cayer. He was our best forward. He played for Hull Volants at some point in time and had a look see with the Johnstown Jets. I can’t remember what sweater number he wore. Embrum won the Hardy cup in 74. We were beat out in 75 Ontario playoffs. I am not sure who or how decided to go after the Allen or the Hardy Cup. Barrie dominated mens senior A hockey during that period and won the Allen Cup 3 or 4 years running.

    Goalies are not different (#$%&^&****) you (@##%^&&*).

  31. Daniel Murphy says:

    Bobby, with respect to systems, they simply do not exist. If they do, I have never heard anyone explain in detail what system Ottawa or any team employs. Perhaps the media (i.e. Don or Bruce) could explain to us what system and structure Ottawa utilizes? Hell, if you asked MacLean what system is employed, he would give you some smart aleck answer because there are no systems.

    It amazes me to hear on the pre-game show this morning all the schmoozing and adulations being heaped on Emery. I think Don has a man-crush on Emery.

    Back to structure, for Ottawa it consists of one goalie, two defence and three forwards. The system is to stop the other team from scoring and try to put the puck in the other teams net.

    In closing nothing irks me more than watching a powerplay pass the puck around and around the perimeter effectively killing off the penalty for the short handed team. The other night against Boston, we effectively help kill of the penalty that Boston took just before the end of the third period. We managed to take one shot perhaps instead of pummeling the Boston net with shot after shot after shot. Poor coaching in my opinion.

  32. Bobby Goodman says:

    It could be poor coaching but I think the issue is more associated with with what old Australian saying which suggests “….ye keant mike a seelk perse outofa eh sow’s eah. Roite might!?

    As for systems, I suspect we put the handle “system” on a bunch of things. If a team has lots of talented players they can play an unresicted game withing their System and Structure. But, it the team has very little talent, they must put restrictions on their play within their system and structure. A structured system works when it is systematically structured…but it can get complicated when operating in reverse (structured, systematically). When to employ strategies withing the varied Systems and Structure can be problematic especially if they are so complicated the coach employing them is confused and cannot describe them (or is it something to be kept secret). Lets face it, when to use the “left side lock (or right side lock for that matter) and anything from 0 and 5 to five and 0 is tricky. I think, eventually, Coaches will hire actuaries to help them figure it all out.

    For coaches such as Cam-moron, skill and talent has very little to do with coaching. He is a Structure guy. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins painted outside the lines and this proved to be far too much for Davey! Barry Melrose was another. Oh he used the terms Systems and Structure often and he amazed many with his understanding of the game! Barry, the man with the locks drowning in Dapper Dan, sat Stamkos out many a game because he wanted more structure (within his system). Only when Melrose was removed as coach, did Stamkos start to produce. How is that possible? He wasn’t structured yet? In Toronto, Carlye is celebrated for his overwheming knowledge and understanding. Afterall, he is the one resonsible for the “development” of Nazem Kadri. Brow beating, belittling and name calling must be part of the “conditioning process”! But wait, Kadri is successful doing things outside the box…isn’t that amazing? His stucture is unstructured and it is working!

    Yes, you will hear guys like Brown, York (Yorks, Yorkie), Gord (Gordz, Gordzie), Galz (Galzie), Potvin (Potsie???),
    spew out terms like Systems and Structure. But hell, it all sounds so profound, doesn’t it? When the “Little General (now out of coaching I believe) was coaching in the NHL (still a mystery and how long was he here), Brown actually said the /sens won a game because: “they out-structured the most structured team in hockey”. That’s when I knew the world was coming to an end. Of course Gord once said: “good opportunity recognition and activation”! Yikes! Teams should play a game comensurate with their overall talent level and even that will change from line to line. If that is true, and it is, does that imply there are systems/structure within the systems and structure? It is all too silly!

    The game is a simple one: see puck, get puck, carry/pass/shoot puck, score goal, if lose puck, repeat process.

  33. OD99 says:

    I do agree there aren’t nearly as many systems in hockey as in football or basketball but of course there is some system (or structure) to how a coach wants his team to perform.

    It is still the basics of how to break out – how to attack the neutral zone and a general idea of how to forecheck…

    I don’t think there has been a vast conspiracy by the entire hockey world to spread the rumour of “systems” in hockey though.

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