Labour Day Weekend

- August 31st, 2012

Spoke to Chris Phillips today. He is on the negotiating committee. He was buoyed by the offer being made by the union. Apparently, Gary Bettman wasn’t.
It’s the final weekend of the summer.
Getting ready for my annual family BBQ this weekend.
Did a nice Sunday piece _ in Ottawa’s only Sunday newspaper _ on the fact business in the NHL is at a standstill.
There are no trade talks and no free agent signings.
This is going to be interesting to watch what happens.
The players skating in Kanata remain optimistic. I don’t know why.
The two sides have a lot to get through to make this happen.
I don’t know where this ends or how it gets solved.
You have to think they come to their senses. Surely, Gary Bettman doesn’t really want another lockout. Sometimes it looks like he does.
I’ve seen enough negotiations to understand nothing happens until the last minute. That is when it gets serious.
Maybe it will get serious around Sept. 10th.
So where do we go from here? Sit back, relax and enjoy the weekend.
We’ll see what happens soon enough.
Preparing a work schedule if there’s no hockey here _ will likely include a stop in Binghamton or two.
Right now, we wait.

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14 comments

  1. Bobby Goodman says:

    With a lockout looming it would be very interesting to know who will be playing for the Baby Sens in Bingo this year and…wont it be interesting to watch develop???!!! Revealing I might suggest!

    Where will Klink, Dog, Condra, OhmyGod’Brien play ths year if there is a lock out? Bingo?

    I have heard nothing but very negative things about the KHL: limited medical staff and equipment, poor conditions, payments made in cash, planes that look like they need repair or grounded. You have to wonder why anyone would want to play there, even if it is their home.

    It was the only move that should have been made to send Ceci back for another year of Junior. He has size and skill but showed none of it in the Canada – Russia Challenge. The Coach is an idiot to be sure but that is standard fair for Hockey Canada – how dare an 18 or 19 year old make a mistake!!!!!

    Any guesses how Bulter will do on the Island this year (if he makes the team – he did sign two way contract, perhaps the excellent judge of talent, Bryan Murray, should have offered the same). Is Daisey still out of work; he too played 4 years with a one-way NHL contract. Is Gilroy going to play in the NHL ever again (I will wager he will not). Any guesses how Rund’sbad will do this year? He will certainly have to improve on his -18 he registered in the Manures. The highly touted defenceman (les Freres Murray…again) registered a God awful aggregate of minus 30 in his time here in Ottawa, St Louis and in the AHL! But, he did “own” the SEL!

    You have to wonder what exactly is required to be a member of the “Negotiating Committee”? I suspect not much more that following the Pied Piper and his Bro. Does the Smug Smurph and the Chrome care about an NHL Season…really and truly, I don’t think so. But, I strongly suspect the Farlley Brothers don’t care a hell of a lot either. And people wonder why Lawyers have bad reputations. They possess the inate ability to turn good friends, friends, accomodating people into mortal enemies and prolong any and all porecesses. Billable hours baby…billable hours!

  2. Daniel Murphy says:

    Oh the greed, the greed!!!! What is more pathetic are all the silly NHL fans who will spend the monthly rent to go watch these greedy human beings play a silly game. We are not a bright society, that is for sure.

  3. Mike8888 says:

    Hey Bobby,
    Klink signed with another team and Butler signed with the Devils. Get with the times man. :)

  4. Bobby Goodman says:

    The point, my good man, was not the teams they signed with…but I suspect you know that already. How do you think Butler will do Mikey? Will klink play in the NHL or will he go back to where he belongs, the manures? What about Daisey the Air Rifle who was a solid fixture in Ottawa for 4 years; do you think he will play another game in the NHL? If not, why not? What about Gilroy, Mikey? And what of Runds’bad, again, regardless of the team he signed with, how do yo think he will do this year…whatever league that may be? What do you expect from Sly and Zibby in the AHL? I am not sure to be honest. I know Lehner hates it there as does Petersson but he did play in all situations and often close to 30 minutes a game! He said some disparaging things about the city but he was blindsided by the Swedish media who strongly object to young stars leaving Sweden to play minor league hockey…as a result, they milked Petersson’s remarks for all it was worth. The incident happened in November and he stayed the entire season.

    Why not strike up a conversation Mikey instead of pouncing on meaningless mistakes. I am very curious/interested what you and others think?

    And what is your opinion on Ceci, Hokey Canada and their coach, the KHL, the Farlley Brothes vs Smug Smurph and the Chrome?

  5. ChokerHater says:

    If there is a lockout, could the NY Rangers call up Redden and then not have to pay him, that would be an interesting scenario, and fair payback for what he gave to the Rangers and what he took from them.

    I can’t see how there wouldn’t be a lockout now, I don’t think there is enough time to settle all the issues, and I’m not one of those Bettman haters but he plays brinkmanship with the best of them. It’s a short mans syndrome

  6. Bobby Goodman says:

    You would have to wonder if owners and managers collectively hold their breath when their star players play elsewhere when there is a work stoppage. Certainly the kids should go and play afterall it is part of their development, but the possibility of a star player getting hurt (effectively for staying in hockey shape?) makes little sense to me. I would think playing aggressive and regularly scheduled pick up games with no ocntact would be a far safer/better way to go.

    Choke, what is it you like about the Smug Smurph? He does suffer from short man syndrome: he is an arrogant little snot; he is cocky as hell; he is condascending; he knows very little about our game; he cares very little about saving the season; he is booed by everyone at ever function where the fans have been allowed to participate; he lacks sincerity and….but, he is a lawyer afterall.

    The players are no better. I didn’t have to read in the Sun that Senator Employees may suffer financially with the loss of part or all of the season. The players want to protect their 57% (can you imagine????). “Money changes everything”… and it can divide family and friends. The more money involved, the worse it gets. Dig in hard you greedy bastards….you wont be hurting, but all those regular folks who directily or indirectly make a living only when games are played will. But, since they don’t have faces….who really cares right? Certainly not the Owners, General Managers, Warriors, Heroes, Kings and Gods.

  7. Mike8888 says:

    Bobby,
    I think Butler may have a few NHL seasons in him but he’ll be average at best. Klink will probably get called up here and there but lacks NHL talent. I suspect Winchester will get a 2 way somewhere and may play a few more seasons. He’s good in the corners and can kill penalties. I think Gilroy is done, I never liked that trade, but Lee didn’t seem to fit into the Sen’s plans, although I don’t understand why. Re Rundblad, who cares, the Sen’s turned him into Turris, who I like. I think Silferburg has the potential to be a very good player. Zibby still has potential as well, I mean, I’m not going to give up on a 19 year old. I think Pettersson has a good chance to make the team, although he may be a bit small. I like Ceci. He looks like he could become a very solid d man. Re the World Juniors, the politics in hockey never seem to end.

  8. Bobby Goodman says:

    I don’t think Butler will play many games in the NHL. He, like Daisey, will only play extended number of games for the Senators. I predicted 4 years ago that Daisey would only play in the NHL for Ottawa and it defied logic that many liked him (including my good buddy Donny). Many say Daisey was good in the corners, I beg to differ. Good in the corners is coming out with the puck…he didn’t. He never ventured into a corner first but favored following someone in (I never respected that). He couldn’t break a pane of glass with his shot and he was not a grood skater. H couldn’t stickhandle around a single pylon. He is another guy who was never drafted by a major junior or an NHL team but signed a one-way. His 8 goals in his last year at Colgate must have generated a lot of excitement in the General Manager’s office!

    The soft offensive Gilroy has failed now with 3 NHL teams. Lee didn’t fit into the Sens plans? Whose plans MIkey and why? The team’s record with him in the line up was very good. Did Da Costa fit in the Sens plans, Dasiey, Butler, Dog? Gilroy may not be in the NHL but Lee just signed a 3 year deal in Tampa….who is the great judge of talent? Ottawa gets softies like Methot and Lundin (to add to the list but let a big tough local kid go who signed a 3 year deal to play on the island (his knees must be very bad).

    I care about Rund’sbad; Murray wasted a 16th pick for him. He was shamelessly promoted by the Murrays and then stunk. His numbers last year playing for Ottawa, Pheonix and their minor team was a collective minus 30! He too was yet another soft offensive defencemen signed by Murray. Getting Turris was just good luck and timing.

    I have no idea what to expect from Sly. From what I saw in the Rookie Camp last year, he was outstanding but that was against kids. I don’t share everyone’s enthusiasm for his one or two “good” shifts in the post season. I din’t see him skate with the puck or shoot. He may be great but he will be playing against men this year. I like Zibby but I do not get everyone’s excitement. Exactly what has he done? He sowed nothing in his 9 games with Ottawa (1 A and minus 3) and had a bad year in Sweden. Even his amateur career is ordninary. I am not giving up on him, just saying I don’t buy into the promotion and hype authored again by the Murrays (Da Costa, Rund’sbad, Butler, Cowen, Wiercoch, Lehner etc.).

    I saw Ceci play last year and he looked outstanding but his play in the Russian challenge was awful. He showed nothing was nervous and careless with the puck. He has a rocket, but didn’t shoot. He can dangle but didn’t do squat with the puck. He can really skate but was a spectator. He is yet another soft offensive defenceman Murray likes. Compared to Murray, Murphy and Toronto’s first pick (Murray passed on him in the draft) he was God awful. Even Dumba, who did not play well, showed falshes of brilliance and toughness.

  9. Mike8888 says:

    Most NHL players have a very short time to make their money. If they’re willing to lose another season or part of one then so be it. I’ll find something else to do, maybe more quality time with the girlfriend. :) If I was an average NHL player, not one of the few making over 2 million a year, I would be telling Fehr to get it a deal done fast. These players will never get that money back.

  10. OD99 says:

    Winchester was a terrible decision and Murray is a fool for having him lace them up at all.

    Gilroy looks like a chump and no idea why several coaches decided Lee couldn’t play for them in the Sens org – he looked good as a rookie for a few games, then regressed but was traded just as he was proving he could be a full time player. Mind boggling.

    DaCosta is a very skilled player who right out of college put up almost a point a game in the AHL – at the very least he adds depth and it is possible he could get better.

    Butler showed he could score at the NHL level and last year was a total aberration. I don’t expect him to be a 30 goal scorer but he could find his rhythm and stick on the Devils.

    Impossible to say you wasted a pick when a Dman is 21 years old and once again you can’t have it both ways – bad pick but getting a player you like was good luck? Come on, Murray identified the spot he needed to shore up and moved an asset to get a good young player with potential. In the end Murray traded a 16th overall pick and a 2nd round pick for a more mature 3rd overall pick.

    Sly has a lot to prove but has done a ton at a very young age already so the hype might just be deserved.

    Zibby should be a player you like – he looks to be fast with good skill and he plays a physical game while having a rocket for a shot. At 19 years of age I don’t hold him to the same standards you do I guess.

    Cowen is going to be a very good NHL Dman – he is already just fine and will get better.

    Ceci is very young and has lots of time to get a more physical edge – he certainly already has the size.

    Not sure exactly what Toronto pick you are referring to but if it is Reilly I have to point out that the Leafs had the #5 overall pick and the Sens didn’t pick until 15 so not sure how Murray passed on him…I guess that one tourney in the middle of the summer played by 18-19 year olds tells the whole story on a players NHL future?

    How is Methot lumped in as a softy? He led his team in hits most seasons, blocks lots of shots and has gotten into a few fights. I am interested to know why you believe he is soft?

    I know you are passionate but once again I will say you have it easy with your constant doom and gloom outlook – most players wont’ live up to the billing so you will be right a lot and then you throw in your comments about lucky and voila! It is now impossible for Murray or any of his picks, moves, trades, etc…do be successful. You have worked it so that BobbyG is always right.

    We will see how the young guys pan out but Murray has a track record of getting good young talent and so far it looks like he is doing it again so I am excited to see how the team gels. Lots to like at a lot of positions if you believe that teenagers have the ability to get better.

  11. Bobby Goodman says:

    You give me far too much credit Dave. I am not that smart. I have often said I like Zibby but do not know why the Murrays/Media all go crazy over him. Indeed he is fast and has a shot, so does Butler. I just look at what he has done in his career and do not see amazing anything. I don’t buy the notion that his Swedish club was responsible for his bad play last year. For most teams, if a player plays well, he will get icetime and he was bad on an awful hockey team. I wish him all the very best but, I am cautiously optimistic (at best). What has he done that makes you so optimistic other than the fact he is owned by the Sens? Is he really NHL ready…that is just plain silly!

    I did say Sly looked dandy in the preseason tournament for rookies…did I not? I did suggest, “he may be great but he will be playing against men this year”. Was that wrong? He too will have to prove what he can do in N/A hockey. 8 years ago Spezza dominated the AHL and won the scoring championship and MVP, what do you think Sly will do?

    Butler is a bum and Da Costa is a slight, nifty center…both suffer from noballitis.. I doubt very much either will have a career in the NHL.

    I was wrong Dave about the defenceman playing in Toronto…I forget the kids name but he wouldn’t sign with Anaheim but did sign with the Oilers. Ottawa and Brian could have drafted him.

    “I guess that one tourney in the middle of the summer played by 18-19 year olds tells the whole story on a players NHL future?” Dave, this is just silly. Should we not offer candid commentary? I watched Ceci play for the 67s and love his game…I simply remarked on the stupidity of the dumbass coach, Hokey Canada and Ceci’s bad play! Am I wrong…again? Did I say he wouldn’t make the NHL?

    I have it easy with my doom and gloom outlook? Really? What doom and what gloom Dave? They just signed a kid I love in Smith who for some reason you ended up disliking. In the past you supported Daisey the Air Rifle, I using your term, was doom and gloom on him.. I was doom and gloom on Rund’sbad, you loved him. I was doom and gloom on Butler, you loved him. I was doom and gloom on Da Costa, you loved him. I am doom and gloom on Obrien…you like him. I was doom and gloom on Klink…he gone. I was doom and gloom on Gilroy, he gone. I am doom and gloom on the Dog, you like him. Lundin is a bum too.

    As for Cowen, I have often said he is only effective IF he keeps his game extremely simple. I have also said for a behemoth he is gentle and has slow feet. Doom and Gloom?

    If “most players wont’ live up to the billing”, perhaps the Murrays should try tempering the expectations, don’t you think Dave? Don’t you think it odd that Ottawa has been obsessed with soft offensive defencemen for 6 years now? Murray wouldn’t match NYI’s contract offer to Carkner but will give Bulter 1.2m Lelaire 5m, Gonchar 5m, Kovalev 5m, Philips 4m, Turris 17m over 5 years, Daisey the Air Rifle 4m over the last 4 years.

  12. OD99 says:

    OK Bobby – I love everyone you say I love and am taken in by the mind games of Murray…poor simple minded fool that I am.

    I will try to learn to dislike everything and then I am sure I will be happier.

  13. Bobby Goodman says:

    You are better than that…I don’t dislike everything. There is lots I like and have often mentioned them but I will not support a move simply because they become a Senator. I am not trying to generate an argument, but more a discussion: what has Zibby done so far that gets everyone so excited? Why would Timmy and his Bro say he has a legitimate chance to make the Senators this year. I have always believed (no matter what the business) you program people for success not failure by putting them in a positon to do well. After a miserable season last year on a bad team do you really think Zibby can make the Senators? Do you buy the Timmie assertion that Zibby’s team was responsible for his awful year?

    Did you not love Rund’sbad, or did I dream that? Did you not really like Da Costa? Did you not support Butler (and still do)? Did you not suggest Daisey and Obrien were good 4th line players? Did I simply make that up Dave? You know, it is OK to be wrong Dave…I have been wrong often.

    How many times did you go to a 67 game to see Ceci? I will wager nonce! If you didn’t read how much liked the kid then I would suggest you are the negative one. I like him a lot and expected to see much more this summer. All I have ever said is I want big, strong and hard hitting defencement who make it difficult to play in Ottawa’s end of the rink. Is that so bad?

    If Spezza can dominate the AHL the way he did, what do you expect from Sly at the same age? What are your expectations of Zibby in the AHL? And, how will their games measure up to Andre Petersson’s this year? I finally read something about Andre; aparently he was embarrassed by Alfredsson in a game of keep away. I suspect it was more of a case of showing some respect.

    And, how many times did you see Alfie at the Royal Ottawa Golf Course this summer?

  14. OD99 says:

    You may like lots of things Bobby but mentioning those things certainly doesn’t happen often and I don’t support all moves because they involve a Senator either.

    Who is everyone when you describe the excitement around Zibby? I know I like his speed, size and shot but I haven’t made any decisions on him yet.

    I don’t think Tim Murray said the Swedish team was responsible for his poor season although he did say they didn’t have a good season.

    I did and still do believe Rundblad will be a very good NHL D – he is slick and isn’t afraid to play physical.

    I do like DaCosta for the organization regardless of him playing in the NHL regularly or not. He is smart, has great hands and vision and increases the overall skill of our depth players.

    I do still like Butler due to the fact he has shown a nose for the net and think his early injuries caused him more damage than reported.

    I suggested that Winchester was merely OK as a guy playing 4 minutes a night and stated many times I didn’t think a guy like that was worth all the hand wringing you did about him each and every day since his impact was limited.

    I never liked O’Brien, even from the time he was drafted but I was surprised that he looked like he may be able to play a 4th line role from what I saw last season. I don’t dislike him anymore but he is another replaceable part.

    I don’t accept being wrong on anything, least of all because you say I am, as most of the players I do like haven’t even started their careers yet even though you have decided they are bums.

    I see you are now extending your abilities from only telling me what I like but now what I did or didn’t do – amazing. I attend 67 games regularly and have watched Ceci since he first came into the OHL. In fact, I have seen him play so much that I don’t really put any value on how he did in an exhibition series taking place in the middle of the summer. You can be as disappointed as you want but it still won’t have any impact on how Ceci ultimately turns out as a player – but you have made sure you covered your bases by calling him out as a soft player.

    Spezza was the 2nd overall pick and a prodigy since he was 15 and played in the OHL…yet you want me to compare him to Zibby? Sorry, not going to play your game on that one. I feel confident that Zibby can adapt and will be a good player for the Senators.

    Alfie has been schooling people in keep away for years but I am sure through all that you have seen of Petersson (the 5 minutes he played against Anaheim last season) is all you need to know that he was showing respect to Alfie and is being railroaded by the organization because of a few comments the made about Bingo to a Swedish reporter.

    Well I played the Royal about 10 times this year and didn’t see Alfie once – he must have been too busy doing his charity work.

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