Nash nuts?

- July 2nd, 2012

Bryan Murray was clearly holding back his frustration and anger when stating on Sunday that his trade talks with the Columbus Blue Jackets for winger Rick Nash were dead because Nash wouldn’t put Ottawa on his list of teams to which he’d accept a deal.
It was believed from the beginning that the Senators weren’t on Nash’s original list, but then a little birdie told us he had talked to the sniper himself, and that could very well change. Ultimately, it didn’t, and you have to wonder why.
Nash doesn’t like the city? It’s cleanliness? It’s beauty? That it’s a great place to raise a family? That it’s only one of the nicest spots in North America? That the Senators are clearly a team on the rise? That, playing with Jason Spezza, he’d be almost guaranteed to get back to the 40-goal level, probably with a good shot at 50 or more?
What’s up with this guy?
Here’s what I think:
Nash, we are told, is a very quiet, withdrawn individual who prefers to fly under the radar. He may relish playing for the New York Rangers, but away from the rink he can lose himself in crowded Manhattan. In Ottawa, he would have no such luck. He wouldn’t be able to go anywhere without being recognized.
That has to be it.
As to the rumblings that he would agree to Toronto, well, that leaves just one other plausible theory.
Nash must be nuts.

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42 comments

  1. OD99 says:

    Well for an anti-climactic day of FA the Sens made at least one significant move.

    Getting Methot will be a big plus for the team – we needed someone else who can play a regular shift on the back end and is physical and he certainly fits the bill. He also has a bomb of a shot so I would’t be surprised to see him top his career high in goals if he plays with Karlsson.

    Not sure I like giving up Foligno as that is two players Murray has traded just as they start contributing regularly however something had to give on the forward side of things with so many young players needing a chance to show their stuff. I wish Nick the best of luck.

    As for Latendresse I am scratching my head…I know the Senators weren’t going to get Parise and there weren’t a lot of high end forwards available but this seems like an odd move, especially in light of getting rid of Foligno after the fact. I know I liked Latendresse’s potential when he first came in the league but he seems to have gotten softer over the years – as a rookie he was running people over on the way to the net. He is a natural scorer though, something Nick most definitely wasn’t so perhaps he can be the fit on the first line for Spezza and give it one more person that can be dangerous.

    Overall I like that the D is getting bigger and meaner…add in Borocop this season and what a face lift for the back end.

  2. ChokerHater says:

    Ottawa is not exactly the kind of town a free agent is looking for, some have a choice, like Nash and Shultz, some like Methot don’t have the option, but other than money why would they want to come to Ottawa and play.
    What with Murray’s great track record, what is it, 33 years and still no Stanley Cup?

  3. Bobby Goodman says:

    Don, Nash never had any intention of coming to Ottawa and who or what is a “little birdy”?

  4. death_from_abover says:

    I totally have to agree. Nash is nuts. It is a disappointing weekend to first lose out in the bidding for Schultz and now Nash not being able to see what Ottawa, the team and the city, could do for him.

  5. Kevin F. says:

    Nash is nuts, perhaps Bruce will give credit to Chris Stevenson for the terriific
    Ine that everyone is coming to Ottawa. Naw that was twenty years ago and substitute someone else and Toronto.

  6. BigAndBad says:

    >33 years and still no Stanley Cup?

    @ChokerHater: That’s BS. Murray basically put together Anaheim. Burke came in said “Thanks Bryan”, and won a cup off Murray’s coattails.

  7. Nickel & Dime says:

    Dissapointing weekend to have lost so much toughness & gained some question marks. Methot may contribute defensively but I doubt he gets ten pts unless he plays with Karlsson consistently & then he will get some secondary assists. Unless Latendresse has turned his life around I don’t understand bringing in a player with obvious character issues & work ethic issues. Didn’t murray work hard at cleaning up the room? Which is why this makes little sense. Lundin … who?

    While I didn’t expect Nash to come to Ottawa I did expect Murray to make our team much better. Too bad Murray didn’t go after a few guys who could have been an upgrade on who we lost. Paul Guastad would have been an upgrade on Konopka, Bryan Allen would have been an upgrade on Carkner & Penner could have been an upgrade on Foligno or the combination of Silfverberg & Penner. And why did the injury prone Regin get a contract, & why has’t Butler, Condra & Daugavins not been traded yet? There is no room on the roster for the young guns unless some of these guys with one way contracts are moved out. Following a great season & lots of fan support & enthousiasm the air has been taken out of the ballon after this weekend.

  8. Bobby Goodman says:

    Hey Nickel & Dime, you made some excellent poinits here, although, I am not sure the team lost a lot with the movement of Foligno and letting Konopka go (he is a clown, a yapper and a liability). However, Carkner when he played made the team better; I am not so sure about his health…if we are to believe what we read). Methot may pan out but from what I have seen, he is a big, soft local kid. He doesn’t crash and he doesn’t drop the gloves. He had all of 14 minutes in penalties last year. Lundin will be 29, is 6-1 and 195 and he finished the year with the Houston Aeros last year! In his 195 games in the NHL, he has 4 goals, 31 assists and a very soft looking 54 minutes in penalties. Of course no one talks about Murray’s move to acquire Gilroy (another soft offensive defenceman who is being pushed out the door) for Lee who just signed a two year deal with Tampa. Is Lee worse than Gilroy, Lundin and Methot? Are we to forget about the Gilroy for Lee trade? The Team is on the hook for 1.2m with the Butler contract! I don’t know who would really want Butler or Dogauvins N&D, do you? Condra is a borderline NHLer at best. Is Klink the future? Obrien? With the Kings victory in the Stanley Cup finals this year they proved that teams win with players who are big, strong, aggressive can skate and…take care of business. Who will help out Smith and Neil this year?

    I notice that Murray has yet to sign Daisy the Air Rifle to a new contract (although he may yet). Will another team pick him up…I suggest no team will. He had a good run and made a lot of money relative to his talent and it will forever be a mystery why he played four years in this league. Like Da Costa, Butler and a few others, “the Murray’s did/do better than others scouting for undrafted NCAA talent and prying them away from other teams”. Right!

    I was not aware of Latendresse’s short comings N&D, can you share them with us? I knew he came intot he league too early and the expectations were too high and he felt the pressure, but know of nothing else.

  9. Bobby Goodman says:

    Don (and Bruce) why is there absolutely no talk about Andre Petersson? With advanced dimentia did I simply invent the notion that Bryan Murray said the kid would be the right winger on the Spezza line for the next ten years? Seriously, what is going on here? Maybe he wouldn’t be a first line player but be could backfill for Foligno on the Turris line and he is infinitely better than Condra! I also suspect that Alfredsson has already made up his mind not to return to the ice.

    I don’t get the Lundin acquisition. Unless of course he will play in Bingo! With soft newcomers like: Hoffman, Petersson (maybe but now I doubt it) Silfverberg, Stone and Condra…the team needs big, strong and tough players. We have witnessed what they bring to the team when games really matter. The Sens played a different game when Carkner laced em up. Somehow, I suspect that wouldn’t be the case with Methot and Lundin.

  10. MC says:

    Another shot at Toronto from the idiot Brennan. Grow up already! You don’t see any Toronto writers taking constant jabs at Ottawa, their players, or their city. As for Nash not wanting to go to Ottawa, maybe he thought about having to deal with idiots like Brennan everyday and decided against it. Can’t blame him!

    @BigAndBad – If it’s that easy to simply “finish the job” like you say Burke did in Anaheim, then why hasn’t Mike “GM of the Year” Gillis won anything in Vancouver? Burke and Nonis only left him a Hart Trophy winner, two Art Ross winners, a Selke winner, and a Vezina winner. Should they have left more for him? And what has Gillis done with the core he inherited? Added the likes of Max Lapierre, traded for and lost Christian Ehrhoff, and backed the money truck up onto Jason Garrison’s front lawn. The Hodgson trade?! And that’s not even touching on the fact that he basically ruined Luongo by giving him that unbelievably stupid contract.

    Oh, and don’t mention the fact that all the defencemen on Anaheim’s championship team were Burke players and not Murray’s acquisitions.

  11. MC says:

    @Nickel & Dime – This isn’t NHL13 on PS3. There’s a very good chance that all the players you listed simply didn’t want to go to Ottawa. Why would Penner leave LA to go to Ottawa? Hmmm, winters in LA with the defending Cup champs or winters in Ottawa having to answer questions from Brennan? I doubt Penner had to flip a coin to make his decision.

  12. OD99 says:

    I have to disagree Nickel – I think the team got bigger and faster on the back end. Methot might not be a big bruiser but he jas the size and plays physical enough, certainly more than Kuba, and his offensive production shouldn’t even be a thought. He did play for Team Canada (twice I believe) at the Worlds too so he must have something to offer.

    The Senators have Karlsson and Gonchar to provide points from the D and I expect Cowen to pick up that side of his game this year as well. The Senators were one of the highest scoring teams in the league and it wasn’t because of Kuba, Carkner or Konopka. As much as I liked having Carkner the reality is he barely played last season and the same for Konopka – both of their games are easily replaced by younger and faster players, even if the fighting isn’t.

    Up front I am not enamored with Latendresse but he is a proven goal scorer coming off some injuries and Foligno just isn’t a natural scorer so I think that is an upgrade. Latendresse is also significantly bigger and if he can gain a bit of the spark he had when he was younger this could turn into a very good move…even if he doesn’t and he just goes along at his normal pace he should score 40-50 pts so at $1.2M vs whatever Foligno will want it makes good business sense. The big plus is maybe he is a diamond in the rough – maybe he buys into the work this team generally displays and maybe he likes playing with a gifted centerman…lots of if’s I know but it is low risk and if it is only one year while Stone or whoever else matures, no harm, no foul.

    Foligno is quicker than he looks and certainly is a gamer so that will be hard to replace but on the whole I believe with some of the young guys stepping and with the changes to the D so far the Sens are actually a better team now.

    Injury prone is sort of a useless concept…Regin had some back luck with his shoulder but other than that hasn’t been injured much and he is an instant upgrade to what we had on the 3rd line last year and potentially as a 2nd line winger – he has speed, offensive instincts and is good defensively. Him coming back alone is a big boost in my mind.

    As for Daugavins he is a RFA and I doubt Murray signs him, Butler will get his chance to prove his rookie showing wasn’t a fluke early and then who knows? Maybe they send him down to Bingo if he doesn’t produce…Condra is fine for a 4th line guy and a good penalty killer.

    The overall bottom line is that the Senators are still building from within so making a few minor additions while waiting for the younger guys to mature is the path they will take…I am not surprised at all that Murray didn’t sign anyone of real consequence.

  13. Bank Street Blues says:

    @BigandBad

    Burke, as big of a clown as he is, still made a few key moves to put Anaheim over the top. What Choker says about Murray is true. He’s never won anything in this league in 33 years and our team has gotten consistently worse under him since he took over.

    I’ve always admired his scouting ability and would love to have him help in that area, but in terms of wheeling and dealing and managing he’s just not that great. 33 cupless years attest to that.

  14. OD99 says:

    Bobby I think you aren’t giving Methot enough credit and not sure where you are getting your stats but the ones I see are quite different…he is an upgrade to the back-end for sure!

    He had 24 PIMS last season is about 40 games and averages about 55 PIMS a season – so he is physical enough to take penalties but perhaps smart enough to not take stupid ones.

    Also he is always among the team leaders in hits and blocked shots plus by all accounts he is a pretty good skater, especially for such a big man.

  15. ChokerHater says:

    BigAndBad says:
    July 3, 2012 at 7:03 am
    >33 years and still no Stanley Cup?

    @ChokerHater: That’s BS. Murray basically put together Anaheim. Burke came in said “Thanks Bryan”, and won a cup off Murray’s coattails.
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    With all due respect BandB, you can’t win a championship on someone’s coattails
    come on, Burke went into Aneheim and changed 5 of the top six forwards and 2 of the top 4 defence
    That’s like giving credit to Terry Murray for the Cup in LA
    I stand by what I’ve said, MURRAY HAS WON NOTHING
    and won’t ever
    and I’m prepared to eat my hat if he does, on main st Shawville Quebec

  16. Bobby Goodman says:

    Perhaps I am Dave but I don’t see a need to bring someone here because he is a local kid and I think the team needs to be tougher (hard to play against). Indeed Methot had 24 minutes in penalties but in 46 games and that doesn’t make him a banger. In his career, Methot has averaged a minute and a half in the box. It has been my experience (and it is just my dumbass opinion) that doesn’t qualify him as difficult to play against or tough. Nor will he put up points: 51 points in 275 games. Murray said he is reasonably mobile and for him to concede that you can bet he is less than reasonably mobile. We will soon see. He may have played for Canada but I say so what; the way the select them today it means diddly squat to me. I wish him all the very best but I want a Bryan Allen guy not another soft slug. There is a stat that registers hits but then there are those who punish…the team desperately needs punishers and now they don’t have any. Effectively, they got softer where they needed to get harder. And what is a Lundin and why? I guess he is much better than Gilroy who they don’t want anymore and traded Lee to acquire…go figure?

    I cannot believe that some still think Lord Burke is a great GM. In mystifies. I see another one of his prized signings is not gone: Colby Armstrong. Earlier it was “The Monster”. How many have been signed and then let go since he arrived. It all started with Primeau, Axleby and company and now the aforementioned players. He simply doesn’t know what he is doing. He has taken different approaches: tired old men who used to be tough..to small, speedy and soft…to talking about truculence but signing soft forwards and soft offensively minded defencemen and letting a big young hard hitting D/man go…go figure? Will anyone hazzard a guess where the Leafs will finish this year and…if they do not make the playoffs, will they concede the randy Lord Burke is a joke? When coaches like Kreuger in Edmonton coaches his team based on the talent level, Lord Burke builds a team based on how his Coach coaches…assinine I say! I will suggest the leafs do not make the post season, neither will the Sens but the Habs do. I hope I am wrong (about the Sens).

  17. OD99 says:

    Bobby it is impossible to say that a guy who leads his team in hitting isn’t punishing – I will take a flyer and say you don’t have a good enough samples size on Methot to say his doesn’t hit the way you like players to hit…and calling him a soft slug at this point, while classic Bobby, is just way too soon to be passing judgement.

    As for Carkner, he is and was not a punishing hitter either – he played contain more than anything – and if toughness is based on games played then he didn’t provide much of that last season either. Overall, if Methot can replace Kuba on the first pairing then the team got much more physical.

    The Lee trade was peculiar and I didn’t like it then or now but what’s done is done and if Murray can make up for that one with Lundin all the better.

  18. Bobby Goodman says:

    Dave, do you think it is mere coincidence that Methot is from Ottawa? He spent most of his time in ’07 and ’08 in the minors and he has proven he isn’t very durable; over the last 4 years he has played in 60, 66, 74 and 46 games! I don’t know what it is you like about him other than the fact he is now a Senator. He certainly won’t inspire any fear. If you think Carkner merely contained, then you saw something different than me. He not dressing for many games had as much to do with the coaches decision as his so called ailing knees. Even we fans wanted him in the lineup for the first game against NYR and what a difference the next game (when his ailing kness suddenly were better). I wish Methot all the best but I wanted to make the team tougher to play against and with Carkner and Foligno both gone the team lost two who contributed physically. Apparently Methot is going to play with Karlie and it will be interesting to see how that works ’cause Methot averages less than a shot per game and doesn’t rack up points. Just because he now wears an Ottawa jersey, it isn’t reason to celebrate. And, do you now like Lundin? Why? He is another guy who at 27 has only played in 240 games, accumulated only 35 points, like Methot is a minus player (-8) and extremely soft have registered only 54 minutes in penalties! Will he make the team more difficult or easier to play against? Again, I wish them both well but I do not believe, as I did with Gilroy, they will not make the team better by being difficult to play against!

  19. OD99 says:

    I don’t know if it is a coincidence that Methot is from Ottawa but what I like about him is that he is big and by all accounts a good skater – if we can get bigger and more mobile I am all for it. I don’t instantly like him now that he is a Senator but I don’t instantly think he is a bum because Murray made the deal either. In fact, I haven’t made up my mind on him at all but it seems you have and that isn’t surprising to me in the least – as you know I have a more patient attitude so I will wait and see him play a few times before forming an opinion.

    That said, I don’t care if he puts up 10 points all season, I care if he can defend our zone and help us move up in the GAA rankings because that is how we are going to be a better team. BTW, since he only averaged ~68 games the last few years his 55PIMS average isn’t so bad…he will be up around 65 or so if he plays a full season – more if he plays with and has to cover all of Karlsson’s mistakes all season ;)

    Lastly, my earlier post information remains – he led his team in hits and blocked shots despite playing 3/4 of the season – he obviously has some jam and is a defense first players which the Sens desperately need. As far as where he plays, I hope it is the 2nd pairing because that would mean that Cowen is on the first line and that would be awesome.

    Same goes for Lundin – I have no idea about him at all but from what I have seen and read recently he is a good skater and plays pretty solid positional D. I also think he was brought in to be a 7th Dman so I don’t expect him to have much of an impact either way. The Gilroy trade was a bad one then and now but Lundin doesn’t have to be that good to replace what Lee brought to the team.

  20. Kevin F. says:

    So Bruce, between you and Don the Sens are in on every free agent and big name trade target . Until they sign/trade for one or two my Spidey sense tells me that this is the new business strategy ie: pretend we are are players whilst staying close to the the floor, and hoping that last year wasn’t a fluke.

  21. Dennis_w says:

    Kevin,

    All I’ve officially heard from management is that this will be the second year of a rebuild. If you’ve found something else for this conjecture, please let us know.

    Looks to me like the Sun boys throw a lot of stuff out there and, thanks to people like you who read every word as gospel, they probably will continue to do so.

  22. Kevin F. says:

    Gospel, Dennis? Hardly, just pointing out that every trade deadline and free agent period Bruce and other media types break out the old everybody going to Toronto joke. Every time they act as if it is some original put down that they just came up with. In fact the last trade deadline Bruce credited Chris Stevenson with coming up with the”great line” on twitter.Then in the next breath the boys link each and every big name with the Sens, either unaware or not caring how hypocritical it is.

  23. Dennis_w says:

    Kevin,

    My point was that you seemed to insinuate that the Sun boys spoke for sens management. You don’t seem to separate them from the team.

  24. Kevin F. says:

    Twenty years of reading every word ( as you and Bruce are fond of saying) and the power of keen observation leave me with the opinion that Sens management and the Sun boys work very closely together and more often than not have a t the very least a you scratch my back arrangement. Look no further than the ludicrous team 1200 and what it has become nothing more than a steady stream of cheerleading hangers on that are so desperate to be associated with the Sens that they wouldnt dare to give a honest opinion even if they had one.

  25. Dennis_w says:

    If you believe that the small-market sens are all-powerful, controlling media, while the mega rich leafs have no such powers, you go ahead.

  26. Kevin F. says:

    , Dennis it is because the Leafs are large market team that they can’t control the media no matter how rich. Isn’t that obvious? The Sun needs the Sens because they are the only game in town and are very popular the Sun is a dying medium which sees revenue dwindling, they need the Sens to sell the rag same as they need boobies and serial killers. The Sens need the Sun because they can control the message they want out and can punish by withholding access and ad revenues. The team 1200 has capitulated completely simply because No Sens=No Team and everyone involved knows it. So thanks for permission to continue to believe as I do.

  27. Daniel Murphy says:

    Further to Kevin’s comments, one has to simply listen and see what is going on at the Team 1200. With hockey on hiatus, the Team 1200 is relying almost exclusively on USA programming. TGOR or whatever they call themselves have shortened their program to 3 hard to swallow hours. What is left is a weak afternoon show that is also hard to listen to. Without hockey and specifically the Sens, the Team 1200 is all but dead. Ergo, there is an undying need for the Team 1200 to stay in the back pocket of Melynyk and Murray and forever espouse the glass is half full routine.

  28. Dennis_w says:

    That’s fine Kevin. The sens control the local media just the way the leafs control the national media.

  29. Kevin F. says:

    Thanks for conceding my point Dennis, now as far as the Leafs controlling the national media you are slipping back into the old whining ways, there is this thing called the interweb that kind of equalizes everything, I can read or watch anything from around the world at anytime how about you?

  30. Bank Street Blues says:

    I work in media (not the Sun) and Kevin pretty much hit the nail on the head. It’s no coincidence that the few times the Sun has taken a swipe at the Sens organization it has been at a low hanging fruit – a player on the way out or in the minors, a back-up goalie, a coach who has his days numbered, etc.

    There has never been any real criticism or fair evaluation of the men of influence, specifically Melnyk and Murray. Murray’s tenure here has been at best transitional, at worst a total disaster and in no case can it be described as a success. I often ask myself how, if every move he makes is portrayed as sheer genius and every signing he makes a sage management decision, how is the team as bad as it is.

    You could extrapolate that example and ask yourself how Murray has been in the league for over 3 decades and still doesn’t have his name on the cup.

  31. OD99 says:

    So because you work in the media you somehow believe you know the relationship between the Sens and the Ottawa Sun/Team 1200?

    What type of real criticism would you like to have read or heard by now? Please explain what Murray had to work with in terms of Senators and prospect talent and what you would have done differently – that would potentially be something of interest.

    Kevin, Burke plays the media like a fiddle except there is one guy who opposed pretty much everything all Toronto teams do and I don’t see him getting too many interviews…but he is getting a lot of play on Off The Record these days. Not even the dog days of summer yet here you are bringing up some mundane topics about the Senators and now adding some rib splitting comments about Alfie…why don’t you tell us how your buds are going to shape up this season? I wonder if Connolly can play up to his salary? How about Dion? Kessel?

    Lots of examples all across the league

  32. OD99 says:

    My bad – Kevin didn’t have the Alfie comment it was Chokerlover…just as easy pickings though – how is the golden boy Dany Heatley doing these days? What about Jumbo and your captain?

  33. Dennis_w says:

    Kevin,

    How is it whining when I’m forced-fed leaf-centred broadcasts from an institution that is supported by my tax dollars? You must think its fair that Cherry sports a maple leaf suit when they play the sens.

    As far as the Sun goes, you can choose not to read it instead of following every word ever written in it.

  34. Kevin F. says:

    Great ideas Dennis let’s let the market decide! You are force fed Leaf games because they consistently deliver a bigger audience, not that business sense matters in socialist Ottawa,HINC is one of the few things that actually makes a profit at CBC, but heck let’s have yet another documentary on throat singing. As for the Sun I can indeed choose not to read it and mostly do but I find entertainment value in the clumsy manipulations of the sports department and their masters in Sens management.
    David, Burke is the most scrutinized and criticized sports manager in the country and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It’s when you see no criticism and cheerleading like coverage that you should be worried. I discuss the leafs in several other places, drop by here to see what’s up in Ottawa mundane or not.

  35. Kevin F. says:

    I know it’s foreign concept in socialist Ottawa, Dennis, but the Leafs deliver a bigger audience which leads to bigger revenues, HNIC is one of the few if not only thing that turns a profit at CBC and its a rare Saturday that the Sens are not available on the CBC I would be interested to see how some of those regional broadcasts reflect on the mother corps balance sheet and your tax dollars. What Don Cherry wears never seems fair or unfair to me in any sense. To find any meanings in the old guys wardrobe seems kinda whiny. As for the Sun I can indeed not read and mostly I don’t . I do however find some entertainment in the clumsy manipulations of the sports dept and their masters in Sens management.
    David Burke is the most scrutinized and criticized sports manager in the country and I wouldn’t have it another way. Thats journalism and its healthy.It’s when the coverage is uniformly positive and cheerleading that you should be worried.

  36. Dennis_w says:

    Again Kevin, you totally either miss or can’t understand my point, or refuse to read what I’ve written. The CBC mandate is not about being profit-driven. Therefore, they need to provide unbiased programming and cater to, and provide programming to, all regions of the country. That’s why my tax dollars go towards supporting the CBC.

    The Sun, on the other hand, is profit-driven and will do whatever is required to increase its readership. For you, with all your access to the interweb, to hypocritically (whining) to bash the Sun while reading every word, is laughable to say the least.

    In any case, to get back to my original rebuttal, you inferred that sens management’s “new business strategy ie: pretend we are players whilst staying close to the floor, and hoping that last year wasn’t a fluke.” Where is your source for this strategy? My “interweb” sources only have sens management claiming that this is the second year of a rebuild strategy. There was no mention of it being a “quick rebuild” or boasts of “we will make the plyaoffs and compete for the Cup” either.

     

  37. Kevin F. says:

    Maybe the CBC s mandate is out of date and muddled Dennis. It has such a spotless record for decades great decisions and wise expendituresNot that anything the civil service does should be questioned or criticized of course. Last I checked HNIC had commercials so I assume there is revenue, in fact I know it. But let’s run it commercial free with all 82 games of all Canadian teams available to everyone regardless of the cost. Tax dollars are endless don’t ya know, and for Gosh sakes lets make sure that Don Cherry wears each teams logo exactly the same amount of time, verrrry important.
    As for my sources Dennis if I stated it was a fact I would need them, I clearly said it was my sense, or opinion if you will based on nothing more than my extensive interweb travels and giant intellect.
    I read the Sun sports for pure entertainment, your inference that I am hypocritical for reading a lot, even things I may not agree with, mystifies me.

  38. OD99 says:

    Burke may be the most criticized but that is because he tries to play the media like a fiddle – there isn’t a louder gas bag in the game so he invites everything he gets.

    Of course he also lauded by many for being such a pompous blowhard.

    Also what mystifies me is that you refuse to discuss the Leafs on here – you comment on anything and everything yet we can’t have a civil discussion on the buds? They are each other’s greatest rival, lack of play-off hockey lately notwithstanding, but you reserve your comments for other special blogs?

    Why is that? Because then you can read the biased opinions of other Leaf fans and not hear outside opinions? Strange you would be so opinionated on the Senators supposedly biased media coverage in Ottawa yet run to the shelter of biased blogs.

    Of course I could be wrong but it sure seems that way.

  39. Kevin F. says:

    Speaking of pompous blowhards David, once again you are stating as fact something you have no idea about. You have no idea what blogs I participate on yet you say I run for shelter on biased or Leaf centric blogs not true. I have discussed the leafs here a lot, but I have seen very little to talk about here in that regard other than sleazy personal attacks which I refuse to have anything to do with. I comment when I feel like it, and if you don’t like the content of these you don’t have to respond to them in anyway. I won’t make something up as to why you don’t.

  40. Dennis_w says:

    I’m not surprised that you’re mystified. Once again you either can’t or won’t understand my point. Your opinion that the CBC mandate is out of date is a red herring. Who cares?

    While you claim you’re too superior to read the sun and only do so for entertainment purposes, your constant whining about its content suggests it impacts you quite a bit.

    Also, your theories about sens management, with nothing to support them, means that they are no more than rumours and gossip that the Sun-reading rabble on here thrive upon. I was hoping for better from you. Disappointing.

    Like I’ve said before, you reserve your mock moral outrage only for matters that concern your beloved leafs.

  41. OD99 says:

    Nice personal attack Kevin – well done – are you one of the sleazy ones now or still above the fray?

    I am positive you can’t be lumping me in regarding the sleazy personal attacks against the Leafs because I know I haven’t done any – I prefer to talk hockey if possible even though it can be quite difficult on here some times what with all the talk of media being cheerleaders and having backroom deals with the Senators – the great Alfie swindle and the very wise and poignant warning about being afraid once the scrutiny stops…jeez.

    I even put a disclaimer at the end of my post but when you say this:

    “I discuss the leafs in several other places, drop by here to see what’s up in Ottawa mundane or not”

    I don’t think it is out of the question to think your other places are Leaf-centric blogs? Where else would you go? Generalhockeyblogtalk.ca?

    Hey, I have tried to engage you several times on the Leafs and for whatever reason you won’t so I will let you alone from now on as you come here and throw around your unfounded and biased comments relating to the Senators – you can have your little fun and then go to your oh, so secret blogs to discuss your beloved Leafs with whoever happens to frequent those places with you.

  42. Kevin F. says:

    There are indeed a lot of generic hockey blogs David, HF boards etc. and I think you know that. Why you think I have to engage in your agenda is beyond me if I have a opinion on the Sens does it mean I have to share my thoughts on every other hockey subject? I enjoy debate on any subject and have no problem talking all things Leaf however here it degenerates quickly into Brian Burkes ego or Kessels Bad character, boring.Anyhow your style of starting from a false premise expanding on it as if it where fact, then tagging it with a I could be wrong is a shifty way of putting misleading info out or putting words into others mouth.If I said Mr x is a pedophile, say why I think it , then I could be wrong, does that absolve me of the original erroneous statement?
    Dennis I appreciate yet another life lesson, hopefully I can aspire to be on your level at some point.
    Like I said these are simply my opinions, when asked I try to explain the thought process as best I can, you boys takemy stuff far more seriously than I do, but thankfully David you are going to leave me alone, I will finally be able to get a good nights sleep with that knowledge.

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