No dash for Nash

- July 4th, 2012

Senators GM Bryan Murray cut off talks for Rick Nash on the weekend.
Owner Eugene Melnyk had no problem with that decision.
The Senators aren’t going to beg anybody to come here.
This isn’t Edmonton. So desperate were the Oilers to get Dany Heatley to go there, owner Darryl Katz got on an airplane and begged him to accept a trade to the Oilers in July, 2009.
Menlyk told me in an email last night that’s not going to be the case here. The Senators won’t be getting down on bended knee to tell Nash to come to play in Ottawa Not going to happen, folks.
“Yes, we want to make our team better _ always _ but never with a player unless we are on the “A” list,” wrote Melnyk late Tuesday. “I believe, and I think our fans would echo this, it is a privilege to play in Ottawa.
“You want more money? A bigger car or house? Lot’s of other teams will spend like idiots. We are a true TEAM with REAL special and smart fans. I don’t care who you are, you have to WANT to play in Ottawa. That’s what defines us.”
Nash might be willing to expand his list. He has no need to put Ottawa on it.
Happy July 4th to all our friends and readers south of the border.

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11 comments

  1. Mike8888 says:

    Just got back from the cottage. It’s nice to see so many new contributors on here. I like the Methot trade. The Sen’s needed a big defenceman and also needed to make some room for some of their up and coming young forwards. I still think Nash may still change his mind on Ottawa, but as has been stated on here, if he doesn’t, oh well. Suter and Parise are both going to be vastly over paid with lengthy contracts that will be hard to move. (see Bobby- Lou in Vancouver)

  2. Bobby Goodman says:

    Really and truely, is Melnyk for real? Everytime he flaps his gums I wonder how it is that he made so much money. News for ya Gene, it is a privilege to play in the NHL and anyone of the 30 cities. Ottawa is so nice, Melnyk doesn’t live here! Real special and smart fans exist in many cities! Lots of teams and owners will spend like idiots Gene and I think you should include yourself among them: Kovalev 5m, Leclaire 5.5m, Gonchar 5m, Spezza 7m, Heatley 7m and 4 million bonus, Philips home town discount of 4m, Karlie 6.5m and how much as God been paid over the years? It is the way of the NHL and Ottawa is no different. I wonder if his ego was bruised because Nash didn’t have Ottawa on his short list but Ottawa wasn’t alone, there were 24 other teams Gene! It doesn’t serve you or the organization well to be so damn self righteous. Time to get real. I have some news for you Gene, there have been players who didn’t want to be here: Chara, Commodore, Sutton, Stillman, Heatley…have you forgotten? To suggest that wanting to play in Ottawa defines the team is ridiculous and bizarre! Ottawa is no different than any other NHL team and although the City is great, there are many great Cities (I am not fond of “The ‘Peg” though). Perhaps…perhaps it is possible that some players don’t like what they have seen in Ottawa over the last 6 years (throwing players under the bus, hiring and firing many Coaches and Assistant Coaches, airing dirty laundry in public, trying to recover bonus money, owner intrusion, favourtism and double standards). I don’t know what got Gene’s nose out of joint but it is time the man started to put his brain in gear before his gums start flapping. Show some class man!

  3. Why is there lots of chatter about Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Stone and now Hoffman (who I like but never got any ink until now) but there is NOTHING about Andre Petersson? My spider senses are tingling and there is something going on. Did I dream Bryan Murray delcaring emphatically he was going to be Spezza’s right winger for the next ten years but now that spot seems to be reserved for Silfverberg. Why? Am I going to have to wait to get the answer to that question too…I am still waiting for the answers to last years questions!

    What is it that is so good about Lundin? Is he an upgrade from Lee (Lee just signed a two year deal with Tampa and he played in all situations for them last year). Why was the Lee for Gilroy trade even made? If Don can slot Carkner for 50 games this year it will be 4 more than what Methot played in 2011! Where is the toughness going to come from this year? With the older and very soft Philips and even older, softer/slower Gonchar, extremely soft Karlie, very soft Lundin, and marginal Methot the oposing forwards will have their way inside the teams blueline! Hoffman, Stone and Silfverberg aren’t bangers. Condra doesn’t play a phyisical game. Dogauvins is soft. Obrien makes an effort but I have yet to see him PUNISH anyone. Turris isn’t a hitter and neither is Spezza. So, in a division with Pitts, Philly, NYR, NJ all big and tough, Montreal getting bigger, stronger and much tougher how will Ottawa measure up?

    Will Daisey get picked up by any other team in the NHL? I don’t think so. What will become of Gilroy, Butler, Dogauvins, Klink, Obrien. Will Da Costa ever play in the NHL? Will Boyle ever make the NHL…afterall, he is mediocre in High School hockey.

  4. Dave says:

    Ya this has been a pretty soft team fr the past 10 years and it just got softer…. Time for Murray to go. It’s embarrassing to watch every team push our marshmallows around. Really did Murray notice what Carkner did for this team when he bitch slapped Boyle in the playoffs….so he let’s him slip away? This team needs a new architect.

  5. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Bobby, Lee got traded for the same reason FOligno got traded: they are from the old regime and if you aren’t one of Murray’s boys you can’t play hockey or you’re a cancer or you steal candy from babies.

    The latest Kool Aid shipment tells me that Jakub Silfverberg is an epochal player because he captained a team to a championship in a league where the skill level is so low Andreas Dackell was taking a shift at age 45.
    That’s nice, but it isn’t the 82-game grind and additional three months of playoff play.

    Now they want to trade Lehner…the only goalie and player in this team that gives a damn and hates losing, but that isn’t an emotional response familiar to Bryan “Propsects over Playoffs” Murray. Murray who traded one of the few forwards with snarl in Foligno for a bottom-pairing, skill-deprived scrub from Columbus. Oh and he got the big and soft Latendresse, who gets injured eating his protein shake in the morning.

    Once again I ask the genius Murray WHEN WILL THIS TEAM WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS and WHEN will Murray finally set expectations that the NHL team is here not to show us prospects and hopefuls but to quaify for and win in the playoffs!

  6. OD99 says:

    Bobby yes you did dream that Murray emphatically declared Petersson would be on Spezza’s right wing for 10 years.

    He did state it during an interview and I believe he meant it but I also suspect if Murray had been talking about Petersson all this time you probably wouldn’t like Petersson and or wouldn’t be expecting him to do anything – you would probably call it more pom-pom waving by the management, etc…

    Let’s at least wait for rookie and the real camp to see what the team looks like…then we can wait another 10 games or so to see how the new players are coming together…then we can begin to judge on an ongoing basis how the moves are panning out.

    It’s early July Bobby – enjoy the summer and the golf season – many questions can’t be answered yet.

  7. Dennis_w says:

    Visitor,

    It will be interesting to hear Bobby’s response to you about Foligno, since he’s dumped on him for being a management favourite (along with the Greenings and Condras) at the expense of guys like Smith. Not surprising that you’re now a Foligno fan, having never said a positive word about him previously, only because he now no longer wears a sens uniform.

    Also, didn’t Murray draft Lehner? What about all those rumours Bobby spread about his character?

    The hate continues.

  8. I wont ever get my questions answered Dave, they never were last year and they wont again this year. All I wanted to learn was the status of Petersson. Don’t you find it curious we get all kinds of chatter about everyone else but nothing on Andre? I certainly do.

    It is fascinating to me why the Murrrays always get a pass. They are on the hook for 1.2 for Butler this year and he did play 60 games to puncuate how bad he is. Da Costa played 20 and how many did Rundblad play? But, Petersson and Hoffman got one each…why?

    I never understood why teams at any level in hockey feel compelled to have a player play a certain position. I wanted Foligno to play in the middle and when he did, he played his best! It looks like Silfverberg will be with Spezza based on the media reports (I would much prefer Andre) but who says that Hoffman has to be a pivot; I would love to see what he could do on the right side with Spezza and Michalek. He is very fast, smart, can handle the biscuit and has an amazing shot (snap and slap). I know he would do better than Butler! But, I strongly suspect he will never get the chance.

    I hate to say it but the notion of bringing Semin here has some merit. I do believe that Gonchar may help him and there is the Maclean factor!!

  9. I am so very glad you are so very interested Dennis; it really makes my day (not). For you to suggest I spread rumours is silly. Having never been in Bingo I only know what I read (stats, game logs, box scores and what the media write here in Ottawa) and see on the TV. I do make some assumptions. For Lehner to go from projected number one goalie to number 3 on the depth chart speaks volumes. He comes up in trade talks. He dropping the reputed 40 pounds speaks to his comitment to physical fitness this year relative to last.

    As for Foligno, I have always said he is creative/nifty and endorsed him as a center before the coach made him one. I said it was a curse that he scored 17 goals his first full year (setting a benchmark he may not repeat year after year). I did suggest he was slow and not great defencivley…I guess that qualifies as dumping on him. I never understood why he got so much praise when he was expected to score goals relative to Smith who scored 15 on the 3rd or 4th line playing with far less talent than what Foligno got to play with. Smith also carries the burden of having to play the game much tougher than Foligno. I guess that too is dumping on him.

    In Foligno’s 351 games he has scored 61 goals and is a minus 21. Good enough for a $2m raise to some teams. I didn’t like the trade but curious if you do Dennis…I suspect you are torn because you say I dump on Foligno but hate the trade….do you like the trade but like Foligno…please share.

  10. OD99 says:

    To me the bottom line is that Foligno struggled to score 15 goals a year – he wasn’t a dominant power forward and although I liked him, he left me wanting all the time with his dipsy doodles leading right into the corner and no shot on net.

    The Senators also have a load of forward prospects with varying skill sets – some scorers, some bangers and some guys who may be able to do both. What the Sens were missing was a big body on the back-end that focused on keeping the puck out of the net. By all accounts Methot is that type of player – he is big, he can skate and he doesn’t care about his offensive stats.

    For a team that was 4th in goals for and close to the bottom in goals against this move seems like a fine swap. I don’t believe he will be Scott Stevens but we traded a 2nd/3rd line forward for a 1st/2nd pairing D. Typically that would be fine on it’s own but the fact it may fill a glaring need makes it even better.

    I didn’t expect most on this site to find anything redeeming about Murray’s moves or the direction of the franchise but I am withholding judgement until I actually see Methot play a bit even though I believe sacrificing a forward for better D is a good move in general.

  11. Will anyone hazzard a guess as to where the team will end up this year (based on your mind and not your hearts)?

    Montreal has certainly done a makeover on and off the ice. They have a wealth of ex-NHLers on board! It will be interesting to see how the team will do on the ice. I stronly suspect they will challenge for a playoff birth and any team doesn’t have to be great to do that (only 14 teams do not go). I think the got a steal in their first round selection.

    I do not see Toronto getting any better and suspect they will not play in the post season. Like Murray, I wonder how long the owners will allow their GM to continue should they not play the playoffs. I suspect far beyond this year. In spite of all the “stars” they had in the AHL, they team will again be soft and porous. I have to wonder if Schultz matched Carlyle’s rugged template for the team? Does Murray or Gardiner? Bozak. Kessel?

    Edmonton will be fun to watch; they were fun to watch last year and should be even for funner this! Perhaps even the funnest.

    I don’t see Tampa doing better even though they have a brilliant GM and Coach.

    I will predict Pittsburgh will emerge from the east and challenge LA for the Cup (and we are still in July). I think they are that good. It is my opinion of course and I was wrong last year with the same prediction but I think the Coach is to blame for the the loss to Philly. He did not manager his charges well.

    NYR will not be first in the East; I expect them to be 3rd or 4th. Thomas is a villiage idiot and he has put Chiarelli and the Organization in a bind. It will be interesting to see how Rask does…I really don’t know what to expect from him. I was shocked by Boston’s early departure in the playoffs. Lucic and the 4th line (perhaps the best in the NHL) did not perform. If Rask is good they will finish 2nd or 3rd as they will be adding a special player in Dougie Hamilton and Seguin will be that much more experienced. It will be an interesting year.

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