Sent down

- September 28th, 2012

BINGHAMTON _ Got word from sports editor Mike Koreen I’ve been sent to the minors. I believe it’s just a weekend stint.
I got here last night. Nice easy drive from Ottawa. If you are looking for hockey this winter, we made it in 4.5 hours door-to-door. We only stopped once. I wasn’t at the wheel. I left that to someone else.
The players will report for medicals Friday.
Then, they are on the ice Saturday.
The Senators have a lot of prospects here. They want to see where they stand in the organization. They are going to get a good look.
Mika Zibanejad
Jared Cowen
Mark Borowiecki
Jakob Silfverberg
Patrick Wiercioch
Robin Lehner
Mark Stone.
Those are some of the names to keep an eye on.
Luke Richardson will be running the show.
Coach Paul MacLean will be here. He will be keeping an eye on things. He will just talk philosophy. I don’t think he will have an active role. Richardson needs to run the show and put his stamp on this team.
There is hockey. It’s not the hockey we want but there is hockey.
Talks start in New York. I’m told they won’t be fruitful. We’ll see. I’m not optimistic. For now, we focus on the minors.

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  1. Kevin F says:

    To borrow from Mark Twain the longest month I ever spent was three days in Binghampton.
    Wasn’t quite that bad but seemingly always drab, geographical location I suppose. Spent some time there in late 80s early 90s a Brockville boy Brian Chapman got drafted fairly high (3rd rd?) by Hartford Bingo was their AHL team then. He went on to a very good minor career and I think had a cup of coffee in the show, tough stay at home d. Man it was dull luckily NYC was realitiively close. Fun place to watch hockey though and I have visited many times since
    It is a surprisingly easy drive the Interstate is much less congested than the 401 and fairly relaxing. While your at it plan on stopping by Ithaca and catch a Cornell game. I’m telling ya these NCAA games provide great atmosphere and entertainment. The one downside is that I think because of all the ballyhooed practice time these teams sometimes seem over coached and too locked into systems. On the upside there is little tolerance for macho posing, yapping and punching after whistles that seem endless in juniors. Tiny players can play if they are skilled and unafraid of traffic. Refreshing. Clarkson and St Lawrence are right on my doorstep and are a quick hop from Kanata

  2. PaV says:

    So it starts. This is what I perdict for today and the ’3 days of meetings’ TSN is reporting:

    - Today they will get nowhere. Bettman will come out saying they are far apart. The players assoc. will say the same
    - Day 2 – a counter off by the NHL will come out. The players will reject it. They will counter with something. The owners will reject it.
    - Day 3 – Both sides break off talks. No talks planned for the future.

  3. Bobby Goodman says:

    …WE WANT TO KEEP OUR COLLECTIVE EYES CLOSED TO HOFFMAN AND PETERSSON…The Murrays got a very good look at Cowen…82 games in the bigs! It was interesting to learn that Zibby did not make an effort last year…I was very disapointed to read that but, Murray likes his size and skating ability. I hope he does extremely well. I wonder what positions he and Sly will play?

    I have always wondered what the “stamp” on a team actually meant. Are there only two: one offensive and the other, defensive. It is akin to suggesting a team needs an identity…a very silly expression. Hockey is multi-dimensional and even more so if a team has talented hockey players. What “stamp” might Richardson put on this team that was 30th in the 30 team league last year? We need to establish that up front so that we don’t simply rationalize what actually evolves! If a team is talented, why would any coach make them play defensively? I would suggest that the coach wants Zibby to learn how to score goals. Don’t you? Perhaps he wants Cowen to dish out thunderous body checks. Boro can continue to do what he did last year and he, along with Hoffman and Petersson were the only ones who has good years. Wiercoch is soft, porous, but offensive (I guess); we have never seen that before in the organization. What is expected from him…will anyone offer a suggestion. What is expected from Zibby and Sly…will anyone make a prediction? I will suggest that Petersson will outscore Sly and Zibby. Stone will score goals, it is what he does and sees the ice very well. I hope the rumours are trure and he has improved his skating; he is certainly strong enough. Lehner is a crap shoot, I think he possesses and enormous ego and a bad attitude to boot. He has played well only in the Calder Cup run and win and before and after he has been average at best. I hope Bingo gets to play in Ottawa for a few games…I would love to see them live!

  4. OD99 says:

    Robin Lehner last year while Anderson was injured:

    2011-12 Ottawa Senators NHL 5 0 0 299 10 0 1 2.01 3 2 0 144 0.935

    That’s a 3-2 record with 1 shut-out >> 2.01 GAA >> .935 Save% Pretty amazing numbers for NHL

    Not sure why you think he possesses an enormous ego and bad attitude or why only your guys were any good last year (DaCosta had the best point per game average) but as always I value your opinion Bobby so I will only provide the facts and not my opinion.

  5. Bobby Goodman says:

    I don’t know why David but you seem to have a problem with me and I don’t get it. I suggest that it is interesting we never hear a thing about Petersson who at 20 scored 23 goals and registered 44 points in his first year as a professional in North Amrica; ou don’t find it interesting/suprising at all? I guess you liked Zibby’s 5 goals in the SEL better. Why wont the Sun or the Citizen even mention his name? Afterall, he was going to be Spezza’s right winger for the next 10 years and now he is a ghost…personna non gratta. Am I to understand that you like Da Costa more than Hoffman or Petersson? You know it is OK to have an opinion…just don’t let mine dictate yours. Even still, as Bingo prepares for their camp, I hear/read nothing about Petersson, but we hear/read about everybody else…why? It is one of the many questions I wanted answered and was told to “be patient, they were coming”…they never did. When asked, Andre did suggest he didn’t know where he was going to play this year (as did Lehner) and he only shook his head when I asked who he pissed off last year. Did it surprise you that Murray actually conceded Zibby didn’t make an effort last year (it did me)? As for Lehner, he played the last year over weight. He made life miserable for the coach. He had one of the worst records and stats of all the goalies in the AHL. So he showed up and played well in some games for the big club…although admirable, I look at what is done over time and his record as a professional has not been very good. I met the guy and while Petersson was affable, Lehner was a pill.

    Most points per game…did I suggest that Hoffman or Petersson bettered Da Costa in PPG? Was I wrong suggesting Hoffman and Petersson led the team in scoring? Was I wrong suggesting Boro had a remarkable year on defence? Borowiecki on the last place team in a 30 team league sported an amazing 0 in the pus/minus after 73 games. He also got himself involved registering 127 minutes in penalties.

    I don’t have any guys David (perhaps you do) however, I do like some players over others and if that offends you I am truly sorry. You will have to, at some point, come to the realization that my opinion is just that, only my opinion. This is a blog. It is a forum to exchange…opinions. I have seen Bingo play and there wasn’t a lot to be excited about except the ones you call “my guys”. Your guy was 45 out of 47 goalies in the league and perhaps that, in part, may explain why the team was 30th in the 30 team league.

    Do you have an opinion David? I would love to read what you think “your guys” will do this year. I know you had opinions. Your guy Rund’sbad was a dandy. Your guy Butler was a dandy. Your guys Wiercoch and Gryba were dandies. Now Da Costa is “your guy”. How will he do this year David?

    You seem to see this forum as some kind of wierd game and there are winners and losers, good guys and bad guys…wrong and right. Why? What is really bothering David…

  6. OD99 says:

    Bobby you are one strange dude. No idea what might set you off on a rant.

    What exactly did I write that got you so riled up? You write innuendo about Lehner and then say he only played well during the Calder run and has been average at best other than that. I write facts about his time in the NHL last year and you go off. In your rant you also talk about how opinions are only opinions and how this is supposed to be an exchange of ideas…yet somehow my exchange gets you going into wild man mode again?

    You said nobody was any good in Bingo except Petersson, Hoffman and Boro so I stated what I believe is fact in that DaCosta had the best ppg – but somehow that opinion isn’t valid and deserves you to lash out at me?

    It’s par for the course though Bobby so while I am constantly perplexed at your outbursts I am certainly not surprised.

    I have written my opinion plenty here and recapped my thoughts for you specifically several times (after being attacked and told how much I love player x or y or z) so I won’t be doing it again because I think you must be slightly delusional if you think I ever commented on Wiercoch or Gryba – oh wait, you don’t ever concern yourself with what someone actually writes, you just make it up in your head as you go.

    Go Senators!

  7. Bobby Goodman says:

    I find it fascinating Bruce that Zibby should get so much ink. I have looked at Zibby’s stats and have seen many other kids with far better numbers who do not merit the attention he does. For the Strength and Conditioning Coach, turned Assistant Coach turned Direct Player Development to suggest that this kid with so much talent (5 goals a Soft European League) needs to play on the left wing on ond of the top two lines is silly. Would it be bad Mika became a very good 3rd line player at center or wing? I find that this organization does things very differently than most other NHL teams. Some players are blessed by the brass and given ample opportunity to be successful (they will be successful wheter they are successful or not) but others who may haver earned the opportunity are not so blessed. Really and truly Bruce, why does the kid get so much attention? I notice in your article (“…get him ready for his big leahue career”) that you have him pegged as an NHLer and I thought that players had to earn spots on NHL teams. Did his 9 game stint last year impress you so much that he is now a lock or was it the 5 goals and reality he didn’t put in a solid effort in the SEL last year?

    Tell me Bruce, is Petersson alive or is he lying beside Jimmy Hoffa somewhere never to be seen again? Is it dangerous to even mention Andre’s name? What is the consequence of telling me (I am the only one interested) what is going on with him. You do remember him; he is the guy the GM proudly proclaimed “would be Spezza’s right winger for the next 10 years”!!!!!!

    It must be a a very good feeling to know that you are a member of the “chosen”. Some get to play many games with the big club with no fear of being sent down no matter how they play (others get a single game and worry with each shift). Butler enjoyed that, Da Costa enjoyed it too as well as Rund’sbad. Daisey the Air Rifle enjoyed it but he signed a one way contract…no team anywhere wants him today and isn’t it interesting that 4 years ago I predicted the Sens would be the only team he would play for. Obrien and his 7 goals in the AHL was good enough for a one way contract with the big club. The Dog is entrenched on the big club. The Missing Klink was a wonderful addition and he played with Turris and God for many games (I thought top six players had to be skilled….isn’t that what the Strength and Conditioning Coach suggested?).

    It is too bad really. We have a big league team managed like a Beer League. We have 3 holding senior positions who have never played a game in the NHL (unlike the other 29 teams). Propoganda flows like the BS in the House of Commons. The media have all been assimilated by the Borg and accept…indeed endorse everything. Potvin, Yokal, on-the-Brown, Willie, Mendie are all shamelessly homers. It is an embarrassment. So, I have a few questions: what is happening with Andre – what is expected of Zibby and Sly – and who will Zibby play with in Bingo?

  8. Bobby Goodman says:

    Nothing “set me off David”; I simply wonder why my opinion always seems to inspire a response from you and tradtionally it is an oposing view…c’est ca? BTW: I love opinions and you suggested yourself, you were only stating fact and fact, I don’t deny! I did appologize if I offended thee.

    Tell me, don’t you find it a tiny bit odd that Petersson is completely ignored by the media…even a stubborn man like yourself has to admit it is odd he gets no attention at all after being celebrated by your loved and respected GM.

    Innuendo David; I only share what I have read and it is common knowledge Lehner brooded because he was in Bingo; that he made the coaches crazy; that he felt entitled and was miffed by the acquisition of Bishop! I don’t make up gossip and I actually met the kid and he seemed to me an arrogant young man to me.

    I am a wild man?….a little melo dramatic don’t you think David. Perhaps I am wrong and Lehner’s numbers in American Hockey League were outstanding (45th our of 47 gaoltenders) and mean nothing and his 5 game stint here in Ottawa means far more. Your exchange is never an exchange David it is always contrary and challenging. If that turns your crank I say knock yourself out but I know you well enough that I can safely say you know Lehner’s career as a professional has been less than stellar and that is Bishop was acquired and that is why his name came up in trade talks.

    I lash out at you?….David my man, how did I lash out at you. Need I remind you that is was you who, predctably countered my opinion…again. Who will have a better year David, Da Costa or Petersson (should he be found) and Hoffman? How do you think Zibby or Sly will do this year; I hope they are great! How will Lehner do, in your opinion? Will Butler have a good year in the NHL? Will Rund’sbad. What are your expectations of Lundin and Methot. Lets get some dialogue going…anything other something contrary.

    I may get facts wrong from time to time but I never conscously make things up. You have supported almost every move made by Murray and that is fine. Go Sens Go….whatever that means…I suspect it is a battle cry in defence of a team that needs defending from someone like me who may call for more. I also suspect it is a way for you to imply I don’t give a damn about the Senators. Wrong. I care far more than you because I will not accept BS and you do and you will.

    Enough of all that lashing out stuff, there could be much to write and talk about other than Swedes in the Sens organization (The Frolunda Senators?). Where will Smith play this year; the Android, Condra, Dawg, Turris etc?. What does the organization expect from Bingo this year (they can’t get any worse). Who will Zibby play with in Bingo, a small, slow, aging but skilled Locke or a swift and skilled Hoffman? Who will Sly play with. What abour Mr. X (we can’t mention his name.. it is forbidden (shshsh Andre Petersson….but ton’t tell anyone).

  9. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    OD, Lehner had some nice numbers sheltered by the big club in nothing games, just like Anderson put eye-popping numbers in his irrelevant 10-game stretch but was uneven in the playoffs, disastrous to start the season and average during the regular season.

    As for Go Sens Go, where are they going exactly? 8th place again or worse?

    I too have questions.

    Why is Paul MacLean in Bingo? Rumour is that Murray likes to have eyes and ears all around, that’s why he gave his Shawville firend the head coaching job, and now MacLean is there to be Murray’s puppet in Bingo. What a sad turn of events to go from being a Jack Adams finalist to having to play babysitter to Luke Richardson, and weren’t we told Richardson would have ALL autonomy around the club?If he has autonomy why is MacLean in Bingo?

    I won’t be boing to Bingo, it’s a hole. I do wonder though, all the blogs and management are saying we have some of the best prospects in the league. If so, why is Zibanejad forcibly playing in the AHL? What about Golden Helmet, is he expecting AHLers to bow before the greatness of playing in a watered-down league where Andreas Dackell was still staying? I am hearing Silfverberg is the next Alfredsson, would be great if he could be half the two-way player Alfredsson was, but I don’t expect that. I expect a lot of hype, coddling from the media and then a disappointing career where it takes him about 5-10 years to figure out that the NHL playoffs are the crucible you are judged on. Hoooo Aaaah Silfverberg? Big whoop Silfverberg! SHow me what you can do HERE, in the NHL on Canadian soil! If you can’t cut it well…

    Another question I’d love answered by Murray. When are we going to start talking about playoff expectations? At this rate it will be around 2018 or so. From the noise around the team it appears the Ottawa Senators are not about winning in a projected period of time, but rather being a secodary (teritary?) feeder for the league, no expectations lest the poor players get their feelings hurt if they fail to meet them.

    Oh well, at least we will have a CFL team in a few years, hopefully that isn’t too much of a disaster.
    Have a great week all!

  10. Bobby Goodman says:

    Don’t ask questions Pierre…they will never be answered. If you don’t mind, I will take a crack at a few of them though!!!!

    What is else is Maclean going to do; he might as well go down and see what all the fuss is about. One thing is certain, the AHL will be a lot better than last year as a result of the Lock Out. Murray gave his best friend’s son a contract to play for the team after playing in only half the games the two years before and when he arrived he was far beyond his expiration date! I still wonder what might have been if the young, 6-5′ 238 lb, extremely fast skating (2nd or 3rd on the team), extremely hard shooting (2nd on the team) and very hard hitting Schubert would have done if he was allowed to play for a couple of years at his natural position and got the emotional support others were so blessed with. I guess scoring 9 goals his second year in the league was not good enough!

    I think spending time in the AHL is a good thing for Zibby and Sly. We will soon see what kind of hockey players they are. Smith scored 24 goals as a rookie in the AHL and the guy who would have been Spezza’s right winger for the next 10 years scored 23. I have a question…I may have asked it before, how do you think they will do in Bingo this year Pierre (anyone). I wish them both nothing but succes (but I do hate the incessant hype that flows like the verbal diahrrea from Pierre McGuires yap).

    The numbers posted by NHLers overseas mean diddly to me. I strongly suspect they wont be playing with the same intensity they do in the NHL and….it is much softer.

    The Sens will make the playoffs when the make the playoffs Pierre. It is what it is. They are what they are (and maybe not what Timmy claims them to be?). I made the prediction that the team would finish no better than 10th place and the Habs would do better. No one else made a prediction…it is only fun so I don’t know why? I base my prediction on the reality the team would be much softer without Carkner, Foligno and the goof that went to Minni. The team will have less experience with rookies who wouldn’t even have to make the team, like Butler, they would be given positions. And, I wouldn’t count of Anderson and the goaltending to be as spectacular as it was last year. But who knows…huh?

    I have no idea when the team will actually make the playoffs Pierre. The media talk about the rebuild and the principles always mentioned are Karlsson, Silfverberg, Zibbanejad, Peumpal, Noesen and Stone. Of them, only Karlsson has proven (at least to me) he is legitimate. But, the brothers Murray get the full support form members of this blog and of course the local media. I simply do not know why.

  11. Bobby Goodman says:

    I wish Dorion would have identified what numbers he expected from Sly in Bingo this year; he said he expected big things but what does that really mean. Define big things. I didn’t hear anything about the “small rink” – “playing in North America” and a “learning curve” when Andre Petersson was playing on the worst team in the entire league last year with only one fellow Swede! I didn’t hear/read if the Dorion, Lee, Timmie or Brian were pleased with Andre’s performance. Do they expect better from the celebrated Silfverberg and Zibbanejad? These are questions I would love to get answers to. To me, Dorion is playing both sides of the fence; in one sentence he says he expects big things (ambiguous at best and they have a history of rationalizing) but he tempers our expectations by suggesting there is a learning curve and it is much different playing in North America on a smaller rink. So what is it Pierre? Will 15 goals be big things? 10, 20?

    There is no right or wrong here…will anyone simply offer what they expect from the two Swedish stars this year? I will suggest that the 21 year old Andre outscores both of them and Sly should do better than Zibby (he is not a natural goal scorer). I expect Hoffman to do even better than he did last year (24 goals). Hoffman, with his rocket played the point on the PP and late in the year, Petersson played nearly 30 minutes some nights! Damn I would love to see them play a few games at the Bank. With Cowen and Boro at the back and a lunatic or two to keep the others honest, hell, it would be a lot of fun. I see the team signed a 6-8 journey man to help police and protect. But he isn’t really a policeman at all. It will be tougher in the A this year, that is for sure; the lockout has kids like Cody Hodgson playing in the A and I am sure there are many others (I think Buffalo won that trade big time…don’t you). He wasn’t handled properly in Vancouver and just when he started to emerge as a star, he was traded. Marcus Foligno who really started to shine with the Sabres last year is in the AHL as well.

    I give Lehner full credit for losing all the weight and he looked downright skinny to me (he never really looked overweight, he just looked big) . He knows he is in a dog fight for a spot on the big club. The team, unlike Eakin in Toronto, never talked to the media about his condition last year…did they? Toronto….a dysfunctional family indeed.

    Pierre, I have said it often, you will never realy get definitive answers to your questions because it makes it very easy to determine success or failure. If it can’t be quantified or measured, what the hell is being done/accomplished?

  12. OD99 says:

    Right back to old Bobby…fun.

    So you want dialogue but you don’t want to hear a contrary opinion. (“…Lets get some dialogue going…anything other something contrary.”)

    “I am a wild man?….a little melo dramatic don’t you think David.” No more so than your quips of guys being, “bums, scared little kid, soft, useless, etc…” and those are usually for our young players who haven’t even fully developed yet.

    When people do post opinions that are opposite of yours – which they usually are because you like very little about the Senators organization – you pull out this card. “I care far more than you because I will not accept BS and you do and you will.” It is of course not true but since you believe you are the smartest guy around and the only one with independent thought (the rest of us poor fools just follow whatever Jason York, Bryan Murray and Pierre McGuire tell us to follow) so what is the point? You don’t want dialogue, you want everyone to side with you.

    All of that said, your comments make me laugh more than anything and I do enjoy it when things aren’t so heated so here goes again…

    As I have said before I like Petersson – I have since the WJHC that took place here in Ottawa. Kid is skilled and has a great shot to go with good speed. He is small though and that works against him. I have no idea why Bruce or Don or anyone doesn’t cover him more but I expect it is just the fact that since he has come over there have been numerous high draft picks with a bit more cache so naturally they get the attention. Plus Don and Bruce cover the Senators for the most part, not the AHL.

    You want to hear about Zibby and Sly – here are my thoughts. I believe both will look like very good players and while they might start slow I think they will be impressive and get more so as the season goes on and they get more acclimated to the NA game. I expect Sly to be a more complete player and post better offensive numbers than anyone on the team and that is saying something since the league will be much better this season than last.

    I expect Cowen to be a dominant D who is hard to play against and I expect to see some good offensive numbers from him as well. In fact, I would almost rather he suffer defensively in order to gain confidence on the offensive side of the puck.

    I also expect DaCosta to have a strong season and improve on his impressive numbers from last season – especially if he gets to have Stone and Petersson or someone as his wingers. I believe he has the head and hands to be a good centerman.

    Methot I have mentioned several times and it remains the same. I expect him to do the same things he has show he can do his entire career. Hit people, block shots and play good D. As for Lundin, I have no idea and have limited expectations since I don’t know a thing about him.

    On the whole I expect the Sens to be better defensively and offensively so I think they would make the play-offs if there is a season.

  13. OD99 says:

    As for Hoffman I really like his make-up too. He has been a slow starter since he was younger – took him a while to figure out the CHL and he ended up being the Q MVP when all was said and done. He has improved steadily with the Bingo team and this being his third year he will be one of the young veterans who will be counted on a lot.

    He has a crazy shot too and good vision – if his career arc remains the same he will start to dominate the AHL and and then we will see if he can translate that to the NHL – he is a guy who I thought was a dark horse when we drafted him and he could end up being a sneaky good pick.

    Overall I think the Bingo Sens will be lighting the lamp a ton this year and in a way this lock-out could be the best thing that could have happened to a number of these players. There is no pressure of trying to make the big club and no shame or emotion about being cut – they can play in the A, get lots of minutes and hopefully enjoy some success to increase their confidence.

    Bobby thinks I like everything and while that isn’t true, I do like the direction the team is going and believe the skill of this team is going to be markedly better in a year or two. The question is will we have enough guys with jam and skill? We need more Alfie type players and less Spezza type players – guys who will forecheck and use their speed and body to get on the opposing D and then let their talent take over. That isn’t a shot to get your goat Bobby, it is something I believe and I believe that Zibby can be that type of player and I hope that Sly will be because then the team is going to look real good in short order.

  14. Bobby Goodman says:

    I think Klink, Winchester, Dawg, Obrien, Gilroy, and others of that ilk are bums and that makes me a wild man? I have never liked players who skate like hell all over the place but avoid corners are scared and that makes me a wild man. I never liked players who dive and fake injury but never miss a shift and that too makes me a wild man? C’mon David, you are better than that. You have yet to say how many goals you expect from Silfverberg or Zibby. I love dialogue but for you to say they will do well is so very vague…don’t you think? Will they score 23 or 24 goals this year and if they don’t will they still be successful David? Smith scored 24 as a 20 year old rookie…you remember him right; he is the guy who often sat so Winchester could play – a move you endorsed. Da Costa will have a strong season, what does that mean? Will he in his second year score 24 goals or, is that number contingent on him playing with telented players (BTW: who did Zack play with when he scored 24)?

    You may not have liked ever move made by the Senators but you certainly didn’t share them with us. I will say what I think and that makes me the old Bobby; for that I say thank you David. You see, unlike you I was vocal about the signings of: Richardson, Martin, Smith, Robitaille, Cullen, Commodore, Sutton, Stillman, Kovalev, Leclaire, Canoli, Mrs, Duffy, Bell, Wierchoch, trading Lee for Gilroy, Gonchar, Kuba, Winchester, Klink, Obrien, Dawg, Da Costa, Butler the Assistant coaches one of which is an idiot (most organizations allow their coaches to select their Assistants), Konopka, Lundin, Methot, Rund’sbad, 4 top dogs in the organization that, unilike any other team in the 30 team league never played a single game in the NHL…a strength and condidtionoing coach and a nephew who I don’t know if he even knows how to skate.

    So David,you think the only reason Andre is never, ever written about is because of the 5 goal scorer Zibby and Silfverberg? I am sorry but I have a hard time believing you. Did the GM ever suggest Zibby or Sly were going to patrol the right or left side with Spezza (or with anyone for that matter) for the next 10 years??? I want to see Cowen focus on his foot speed and ability to hit someone in open ice. He will never be an offensive threat. He is slow with his feet and slow making decisions with the puck. The big lug needs to punish those who venture over his blueline and go into the corners.

    I am a wild man indeed David. Go out on a limb and give me some numbers for discussion sake. I don’t think Da Costa will score more than 20 goals no matter who he plays with. I will say that Andre will score 25 or 30 goals no matter who he plays with. I suspect Hoffman will have another year like last year and score in the mid 20s. Zibby MAY score 15 but I haven’t seen all the skill you keep referencing. Zly is a wild card. He looked fantastic against kids in the rookie camp and he was spectacular in the SEL. He may score 20 goals.

  15. OD99 says:

    No Bobby, calling all of those guys names doesn’t make you a wild man but it is hyperbole and melodramatic…

    I will state again you have the market cornered on the negativity, not sure you need me to pile on – plus I have documented some of the moves I haven’t liked in the past so not going to re-hash them again.

    I forgot, your world is only in black and white so saying they will do well doesn’t count to you…you need me to set a goal total so we can decide who is right and who is wrong. The problem with that from my side is that I take other things into account. If for instance DaCosta doesn’t score 20 goals but he has 40 assists I might lean towards him having done well and continued to improve.

    That aside, fine, I will play by your rules.

    I think that Zibby will score 24 goals as a 19 year old and while adjusting to a new culture and home.

    I think that Sifverberg will score 24 goals while adjusting to a new league that is going to be packed with more talent than it has in many years.

    I think that Petersson and Hoffman will both improve quite a bit from their play last year and show they should be included in the chatter of good young prospects.

    I think Cowen will continue to be a physical presence and punish players while picking up his offensive numbers. I don’t care if he hits the way you want to see him hit, I watched him hammer enough guys last year to know he isn’t any fun to play against.

    I didn’t say the only reason Petersson isn’t written about is because of Zibby and Sly – what I said is that I have no idea why he isn’t mentioned but threw out a hypothesis. I still don’t know but I hope that someone in the media provides you an answer soon so you can move on to another subject.

    You have quite the laundry list of players and moves you didn’t like but I don’t agree they are all bad. I haven’t given up on the very young Rundblad, certainly not Methot (but I think you have different expectations of him than I do) I thought Kuba for the mos part did what I expected,…I won’t go through them all as you are right about most of them although their impact on the teams success or lack thereof was minimal in my books.

    I am most interested to know if you will ever give any credit to Murray or the organization for anything. I doubt it because rather than say Smith was a good pick for example, you state how he wasn’t used properly and how he sat while Winchester played. I am sure if Petersson makes it you will say he should be been on the big club right away.

    You see you find ways to try and be right all the time, using various negative slants (Karlsson is a Norris winner yet he is frail, scared, “nifty offensive guy”, etc…backhanded compliments at best) and I don’t expect that to change so I hope the Sens youth can become proven NHL players and then just look forward to you poking holes in them.

  16. Bobby Goodman says:

    I try to find ways to be right all the time? Allrighty then. From the get go I liked Smith. From the get go I wondered why he sat while one of your guys played (Daisey the Air Rifle…who will never play another game in the NHL just as I predicted).

    What should I give Murray credit for Dave, he has been the GM for 6 years and he built the team that so needed the rebuild. Certainly there have to be some players that work out in that time line, don’t you think? I have been the only one who celebrated Petersson and I liked him from the get go…he went into the corners, didn’t go down easily or fake injury. I don’t know if Petersson will ever make the NHL but he should have been given the opportunity more than a single game last year! I raved about Zack Smith when you and the media were raving over Daisey the Air Rifle. Zack was a fabulous draft and I have been in favour of more Canadians not more Swedes! I would have selected Coutourier over Zibby in a heart beat. I know you have high hopes for Rund’sbad but I don’t know why, he aint here anymore and even the Blues don’t write about him. You say you wont go the the very long laundry list of players I thought sucked and agree with me but you still want me to give Murray credit? I am confused and that isn’t fair because it is so easy to do.

    Negativity….interesting how the term is thrown about by those who simply don’t like your position. Is it negativity to say there is high unemployment; that McGuinty is a lousy Premiere; that Quebec is the most corrupt province in Canada? I am negative because, unlike you, I wont celebrate players like Daisey, Dawg, Klink, Gilory, Obrien. I am negative because I wanted Ottawa to re-sign Carkner not acquire Methot (for Foligno???) or a Lundin. I am negative because I don’t think Dave Cam-moron is an NHL A/Coach, that the big 4 haven’t the currency/credetnials to hold positions as GM, AGM and DIRs. I am negative because I think the Coach should select his A/Coaches.

    Isn’t it sad that you were reluctant to establish some numbers so that at the end of the year success or failure could actually be determined. And Dave, what will you say if your guys don’t deliver…I will tell you up front if Petersson and Hoffman don’t perform the way I have predicted, that they will have had disapointing seasons!

    Long before Karlie won the Norris, I said he was scared, didn’t like going into the corners or traffic, was lousy in his own end (stood on the outside and allow others to do the heavy lifting), was a rover, one dimensional, caught up the ice all the time, never block shots. What I hate the most is how easily he goes down and actually fakes an injury while looking at the referee. I have conceded often he is extremely talented and indeed made the call he would win the Norris based on the criteria it is awarded. But ask the players who they would prefer to play against, him or Shea Webber, Drew Doughty and real defencemen. Sound familiar Dave?

  17. Bobby Goodman says:

    I must add, what would be my motivation for poking holes in a proven NHLer? You and people of your ilk celebrate what you are told and make NHLers out of unproven kids…even a kid who socred only 5 goals in the SEL last year! The more I like a player, the more you dislike them. What’s your motivation Dave? If you agree wit what I called bad moves by Murray, why am I the negative one poking holes? An individual can think something was bad and be a positive person but write about it and you become a negative SOB? The key word you chose was proven…Petersson and Hoffman were proven professionals in the AHL. Andre survived the clutural differences and thrived “in a new league” on the very worst team! He played 30 minutes some games and Hoffman led the team in scoring and was the quarterback on the point on the Power Play. But, predictably, you approved Murray’s decision to sit them and dress Stone and Sly in the post season, who were unproven professionals in the North American game. Could that be characterized as poking holes in Andre and Mike’s game? For someone so negative, I really like Boro, Mike, Andre, Stone and have high hopes for Peumpal and Noesen. I am a huge fan of Spezza, Milan, Turris, God, Smitty, Gums (and those two with the Android – if he played physical – would be a dandy 3rd line!!!). I have always liked peter Regin even when he and Smitty were sitting in the press box so that one of your guys, Daisey the Air Rifle could play! I think the goaltending situation is outstanding! The 4th line are all God awfu and after that, I believe the team is extremely shallow. Gonchar and Philips are old, slow, soft and it may be their last year. Lundin is an AHLer at the very best. Methot is a journeyman NHLer. Cowen is big but unlke you, I think he is slow, vulnerable to speedy forwards and does not punish. He needs to play an extremely simply game to be effective. Karlsson is the star on the back end and even he can disapear as we witnessed during the playoffs….he was invisible.

    I hope all the kids pan out and become stars but unlike you Dave, there will be no coronation until, as you suggest, they have proven what they can do. I celebrate Boro, Andre and Mike because that is exactly what they have done on a God awful hockey club with drama on the bench, in the dressing room and Coaching issues. Negative indeed.

  18. Mike8888 says:

    Bobby,
    You do sound like you’re biased against the Sens, although there’s no law against that. I believe that if Zibanejad
    was with any other team, you would be saying how much you like him because he’s big and fast, and you’d also be writing about Cowen’s attributes for being a big tough Canadian boy.

  19. Bobby Goodman says:

    I think it is wonderful that some NHLers in Montreal and playing exhibition games and raising money to support various charities. There are enough players to have 4 or more teams to form a “league” with Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto and perhaps other “leagues” in cities within close proximity throughout the NHL. To me, those that go overseas to play and take a job away from another player are what union members called (perhaps they still do) scabs. It doesn’t show a hell of a lot of “solidarity” amongst the NHLPA! The Farlley Brthers should have bounced this idea off the players; it certainly would have mitigated the fans disposition. So I say good on Latendresse and company…oh, he is yet another player I like and hope he can find his game here in Ottawa. I do wish he was little quicker though. IMO, Montreal rushed him into the NHL when he wasn’t ready and then the media and fans pounced when he didn’t meet their expectations.

    As an avid baseball fan I have to ask you guys a question. If you are watching the playoffs, you will notice that there is a graphic on the screen that identifies whether a pitch is a ball or strike. The Umpires do an admirable job but it is simply amazing how often they are wrong and sometimes way wrong. The notion that an umpire, from his position behind the catcher, peering over his shoulder and often off to the side, can make a consistent and accurate call is silly. Some Umps are noted to have small strike zones and some have large ones. Why not use the technology to let the umpire know what the real call is (it can be done in real time)? Leave the Umpire there for other calls like sliding into home, deliberate bean ball, balk etc.

  20. OD99 says:

    You are full of it Bobby – you didn’t even know Petersson existed until last year. And for all of your talk about him playing hard in the corners, not falling down, etc…you base all of that off one game in which he played 6 minutes last year? So you can can make wild sweeping generalizations but when I suggest Lehner looked good in the NHL and backed it up with his stats you throw some other stats that back your thoughts in there and say his 5 games don’t mean anything…shocking.

    Look, you really are impossible to have a debate with because you go all over the place but it is amusing so I will keep it going…not surprised you came back to your old stand-by:

    - my guys are O’Brien, Winchester, etc…you have no proof and I have never said those guys were anything other than fillers but you come back to it all the time…just another Bobbyism

    - I only know what the press tell me…you are so wise because you think for yourself

    By the way Bobby since you are so disappointed in me for being reluctant to play your game with stats I don’t see ANYWHERE that you put the goals and points totals of YOUR guys down in Bingo? Sad that you won’t put those numbers out there for us poor uneducated fools to see…maybe you can enlighten us?

    Your feelings are too easily hurt if you think I dislike guys because you like them – it just isn’t true. I may point out some deficiencies of the guys you promote just to bring some balance (if not is is, “Bobby don’t like this player – he very bad” OR “Bobby like this player, he only do good”.

    Black and white at all times. Since I didn’t rant and rave about Stone/Sly being in the line-up then I don’t like Petersson or Hoffman? Are you for real? I said right away that I thought putting Sly in the game was going to be a bad idea – not because I think he is a bad player but because he didn’t have time to practice, etc…

    As for Rundblad, yes I do think he will be good, what does him not being here have to do with anything? You still think Schubert should be on the team even though he was tossed out of the league a couple of years ago…and I know you want Vermette to do as well as possible so you can come back and say how Murray made another mistake…

    Anyway, we are now back to being combative instead of actually having discussions and I will try to break the cycle we will inevitably end up in again now.

    So Bobby I will refrain from commenting negatively about your opinion and hopefully you can refrain from making lies up about who I like/dislike or how I only know what the media tell me.

    For what it is worth sports are all being overtaken by technology far too quickly for my liking and I prefer to have an umpire make all calls themselves.

  21. OD99 says:

    I expect big things from the Bingo team this year and I bet Zibby and Sly do a great job, especially if they keep some of the lines together – Pageau is looking great in between those two.

    Hoffman had a tremendous preseason and I wonder if he will play with Petersson again this year as well? That would mean that Stone is on the 3rd line.

    If/when the NHL starts up I would expect the Ottawa Senators to do quite well and I expect scoring to remain in top 5 and the D to jump up from near bottom to somewhere middle of the league.

    MacLean should help make sure the Sens have a quick transition back to playing solid hockey – great coaching pick-up.

  22. Bobby Goodman says:

    Mikey, are you serious? Did you read my posts. Just because unlike you and Dave, I don’t go nuts over a kid who scored 5 goals last year, on a very large ice surface in a soft leage. The guy sat on the bench on the worst team in the league…but, they must have had something against him and the Senators right Mikey (per Timmie). Tell me Mikey, what is it that gets you so excited about Zibby? Check out his hockey career to date and please tell me. You know, there have been many players who have been big and fast but there needs to be more. The Missing Klink was big and fast but he is a career AHLer, Chrisof Schubert was very big and very fast and he sat in the press box for dinasaurs like Smith and Richardson. BTW how big is Zibby, I think he is 6′ and less than 200 lbs!

    I don’t call Cowen a tough Canadian boy. He is big but he doesn’t fight, doesn’t intimidate, doesn’t punish anyone, has slow feet, doesn’t make quick decisions with the puck and can be victimized by quick forwards. He needs to keep his game very simple and he did that effectively last year as a rookie. Smith and Gums are tough Canadian boys, not only because they are all too willing to drop the gloves but because they punish! I am sure Cowen will be better this year but he will never be tough…you are born tough.

    I am different from you, I think players should earn the way on the team and not be given postions/opportunities by default (Rund’sbad, Da Costa and of course the prolific Butler). What might Petersson or Hoffman have done given the opportunity to play more than their one game; what might have been possible if the knew they were going to stay and play for a minimum of 24 to 60 games? What could Petersson have done in the post season? We will never know because the GM made the call to put in a 19 year old junior and a 21 year old who never played North American hockey in his life…let alone profesional hockey in North America.

    I don’t agree with the GM deciding for his Coach who the Assistants will be. Where is Clouston and his Assistand Coaches who were hand picked by Bryan Murray? But, it was all good at the time huh Mikey.

    Yep, I am biased against the Sens because unlike you and Dave, I will not accept all things by default. I expect professionalism. I don’t like the GM engaging the media to air dirty laundry and settle scores. I want to put the team in the very best position to win games. Did playing Gilroy the first game vs NYR makes sense to you Mike? Did playing Butler 60 games last year make good sense to you Mikey? Did playing Da Costa and Rund’sbad 24 games each make good sense to you Mikey? I would have drafted the 6-4 210 lb Courtourier over Zibby (the French Canadian scored 14 goals, played against the other teams very best and played the game hard…in the NHL For some inexplicable reason, Murray likes Swedes he now has 5 in Bingo.

    Yep, I am biased against the Sens but I like many players, scroll back and see them Mikey.

  23. Daniel Murphy says:

    It’s funny Bobby, but I was thinking about the same thing (i.e. the ball strike graphic/radar). I also noticed that on average I would say at least 1-2 pitches for each batter has been called incorrectly. I say move on to the 21 st century and let the computers call balls and strikes. I predict you would get a better game, a quicker game, a more accurate game and less silly arguments and /or delays by batters over mis-called strikes. Nothing ruins a good game more than an umpire deciding a game on a mis-called ball or strike.

    One thing I will give credit to baseball umps is that they are very very seldom wrong when making calls at first base. I know there have been a few major blown calls in the past (no-hitter, Stl vs KC world series etc…) however overall they are excellent.

    Please tell me why a pitcher throws his rhythm and concentration off by making a half hearted throw to first to hold back a runner who has zero stolen bases in his career?

    It is obvious A-Rod is now human and in fact he looked absolutely pathetic at the plate over the last year and in specifically during the playoffs. Giraldi should show some gonads and bench him, end of story. How do you bench Ibanez yesterday after he hits two home runs the night before. I have to wonder about that decision. Baseball is a game of hot streaks. Good hitters have hot streaks, good pitchers have hot streaks. I never understood Managers taking out a reliever who just struck out the side the inning before.

    Go Yanks. Det vs NY would definitely more intersting to watch than Baltimore vs Det. Also I hope Washington wins.

  24. Bobby Goodman says:

    It is fascinating to me whay there aren’t any stories written about the B/Sens … even in the preseason when there is no NHL.

    Silverberg has a goal and Zibby has 2 and in 3 games (I don’t know how many they have played). The Citizen writes a story about how well the diminutive Pageau (5-6, 160) has played but Hoffman has 7 popints in 2 games and Petersson has 4.

    I would love to know how the players are doing: Lehner vs Bishop and their respective GAA and Save Percentage. How are the defencemen doing Cowen, Boro, Wierchoch (I believe he got hurt though). Who is playing with who and what are the line combinations?

    The final lineup has been announced and the team went 3 – 0 in the preseason. As I said, there could be lots to talk about and, at least to me, it would be very interesting. I don’t care what Gretzky thinks about anything. I couldn’t care less what Alfredsson thinks about the lock out. I care even less if Crosby is optimistic…and what they hell is happening that makes him so optimistic?

    The only real hockey I am interested in right now is the AHL! Lets get some honest, candid, and complete coverage of ALL the players and how they are doing. I would think that Timmie would be very excited about what Hoffman has been doing…or is he disappointed. I can’t tell. It is a shame that Prince got hurt and I hope it wont last too long. Zibby has surprised me with his 2 goals and playing with Sly must certainly help. I know that Richardson has announced to the media that Sly is amazing and putting on a real show….but he didn’t say a word that was printed about The Hoff…peculiar, don’t you think?

  25. Bobby Goodman says:

    I just read the article about Bingo’s win and I think it is fantastic; what bothers me is the theme of the article: 3 Swede’s power the team to victory. Who is the author? I did a quick check and he is the guy who writes for Wilkes-Barrey and he wrote this article “special for the Ottawa Sun”.

    Sly continues to make my prediction look bad; he scored in the first game of the season and finished a plus one. Lehner indeed played well; he faced 35 shots and stopped all but one. But, don’t go writing about Zibby and suggest he was creating chances all over the place…please. When I read stuff like creating chances all over the place (no specifics), I know it is shite. He created chances all over the place but didn’t get and assist, was held pointless and posted zero in the plus minus. Shouldn’t the writer (Johnathan Bombbullshite) say something about Cowen who got an assist and was plus one? If the writer was at the game, I would bet he saw Boro deliver some punishing hits and he did get 5 minutes in the box… fight?). But the writer who was so excited about Zibby’s 0,0,0 wasn’t that excited about The Hoff chasing down the opposition, gaining posession of the puck and delivering a pass good enough to allow the Big man who is not known for scoring goals to do so! 8 points in 3 games isn’t too not bad. It can’t be creating chances all over the place but it does look pretty good on the score sheet….no? No, The Hoff;s play certainly couldn’t have been exciting but…it may have helped power the team to victory.

  26. OD99 says:

    I watched the Bingo game on Saturday night and Zibby did create a lot of opportunities and he also drew 2 penalties. On one short handed play he did both – took off down the ice and created a partial breakaway while forcing the D to grab him but he still got a one-handed shot off.

    He was fast and first to the puck a bunch and was also physical.

    Cowen and Benoit were very good but didn’t stand out a ton just really solid.

    Sly wasn’t that noticeable actually and seemed like he was still finding his game (he only played in the first preseason game so a little rusty still perhaps) but his line with Zib and Pageau is quick and very good defensively.

    Stone was pretty much invisible although Richardson did put him out there in the defensive zone with less than a minute to play and us holding a 2-1 lead.

    Hoffman looked very good again; quick , decisive and still very nifty although he makes a lot of AHL moves…that toe drag doesn’t cut it in the NHL. I think the Ottawa Sens are going to have to really look at him as a call-up pretty soon. He has a lot of tools.

    Petersson wasn’t noticeable…which was too bad, I certainly expected more after his solid preseason debut.

    I think having DaCosta back will make a pretty large difference for the offense as well, in looking at some of his highlights from last year he can be a difference maker down there.

    Boro looked good and he was tough to play against. His fight certainly sparked the team.

    Gryba looked lost far too often and although physical he needs to improve a lot if he expects and time in the big time.

    Claessen was a very nice surprise! HE was pretty steady if out of position a few times (in general our d zone coverage was pretty bad until the 3rd period) but played physical and had a guy jump him after he creamed him into the boards – he held his own with really no punches being thrown and then dumped the other guy with a wrestling mnove.

    Lehner really was outstanding, especially in the first period were he made 3 pure reflex saves in a row during one Pens PP. You can see he still needs to work on rebound control (which goalie doesn’t I suppose) but he was very sharp and challenged shooters and read the play well.

    JMO – I will be watching as many games as I can and give a little recap here of what I see. It is obviously through my very biased eyes (joking Bobby although I am sure yo don’t think so!) but if anyone wants me to keep an eye on a particular player let me know.

  27. Bobby Goodman says:

    Some Managers over manage…I am not there to tell if a pitcher is tired or lost 2 mph on his fast ball etc. but you are right Dan.

    I am definitely not a Yankee fan; watching the game today was like watching a Sens game covered by Dean on-the-Brown and Denis Pas du Vin (mais beaucoup de beire). The commentators are comatose when Detroit does something but are jacked when the Pin stripes pass gas! I never heard so many excuses and support for a Manager who has had little to do with the outcome since he or any other manager arrived in NY and worked for the Yankees. They simply buy the best talent available and Bob’s your uncle. How many baserunners did the Yankees leave out there in two games…is this great managing by Gerardi? Is it good Management to have Alex Rodriguez to start every game? I picked Detroit and believe they will win it all. I was toggling between the golf and baseball.

    Bradelle Chumplee is a pill isn’t he. When did he becme king shite of turd island? Woods isn’t around so we aren’t exposed to his shameless love affair but he thinks he knws the golf swing. He suggests that the best short game players in the world have been pickers…just the opposite is so. Nicklaus was a picker and he had a below average short game. The best in history have taken big pelts: Palmer, Trevino, Casper in yesteryear and today Daly (in his prime) Luke Donald, Mclroy, Dustin Johnson, Colsaerts, Bubba Watson, Woods, and I can go on. Stricker is the only one I know today who has a great short game and he is a picker/sweaper.

  28. Bobby Goodman says:

    Davey…how are you watching the games and I loved you review of the game! Thanks.

  29. OD99 says:

    AHL has a package you by to watch games online…pricey but compared to season tickets it is nothing.

    There are also other streams available if you look around the Internet…

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