Shopping Bishop

- April 3rd, 2013

BOSTON – The Senators are trying to make room for Robin Lehner.
With Craig Anderson about ready to come back from his ankle injury, GM Bryan Murray is looking to move Ben Bishop.
They would like to get a high pick, and maybe a prospect, but they might be able to get a player who could help now if they shop him to his former team.
The St. Louis Blues would seem like a good fit, as they have lost Jaroslav Halak for three weeks with a groin injury.
Right now, they are going to have to pin their hopes on Jake Allan. Bishop would improve their chances of making the playoffs, which is their goal. The Blues are not sellers.
Going down to hotel lobby to meet with assistant GM Tim Murray now. Stay tune for an update.

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20 comments

  1. Bobby Goodman says:

    Is Murray now conceding he is trying to move Bishop? Only hours before the deadline? For a high draft choice or a good prospect? Brilliant! What would happen if a team wanted Anderson and were willing to give up the same? Would Murray move Bishop for another Lundin, Butler, Comrie, Stillman, Commodore, Cullen, Sutton, Leclaire? He does win games for the Senators!

    If a very good deal is not to be had, I would suggest holding on to The Bishop, The Anderson and The Lehner!

    I read that Toronto doesn’t want to make a dumb move on trading day…did not know that!

  2. Dan says:

    Ben Bishop as an Ottawa Senator: passé composer

  3. Pav says:

    Bobby, it blows my mind why you are not an NHL GM!

    Don, Bishop is gone to CBJ isn’t he?

  4. Bobby Goodman says:

    The Bishop era is now over as he has been traded to Tampa for the 5-8, 175 lb (and those numbers are always exaggerated) Conacher and a 4th round pick. Conacher is a Canadian boy and will venture in the areas where others here wont but couldn’t the team have done better? They really didn’t get a “prospect” per se nor did they get a hight draft pick. Conacher started off like gangbusters this year but has tailed off consierably. Is he a top 6 guy? I don’t think so but time will tell. To me this smells like the team believed they had to make a move before the deadline! I wish the kid nothing but success but I like big kids that can really skate (as a note, Tampa kept a similar sized kid because he was a better skater).

  5. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Bishop for a 4th and Conacher…the 4th is less than what Murray paid St. Louis to get Bishop but Conacher is small and skilled and in talks for the Rookie of the Year award. Of course, he played with Stamkos and St. Louis to get most of his points, so we could have a second Turris here.

    Oh, speaking of Turris, was interesting seeing Don go on about Ryane Clowe’s 26 games without a goal.
    Kyle Turris: 20 games without a goal, then a few goals and now what, 6, 7 games without a goal? And Turris is a 3rd pick overall isn’t he? Seems like either Phoenix overevaluated him or Murray has overevaluated him.

    Boston got Jagr, we got Conacher. Boston got…Redden to play with Chara, old time’s sake since the team is so stacked it can afford to play a deteriorating, slow, ineffetive former star? But wait, I hear Redden has the “best first pass in the league”, or will Dean and Gord be changing their tunes now that he’s in Boston? I always laugh when people say a player has the “best first pass” or the “best pin”. How do you measure a first pass? Is it by conversions into offensive chances? Is it by secondary assits per pass? Of course you can’t measure it so it’s homerism at best.

    The Senators now have scored two goals in two games, but are facing the ?mighty” Panthers and Lightning this weekend. Can we say that if they don’t beat both those teams in regulation that serious questions should be asked? I have a few that I relayed to the post-game show but AJ Jakubec screams and raves whenever someone asks a pertinent question and Todd White just laughs and calls you a Leafs fan. Truly pathetic, condescending and terribly sad garbage that won’t even make an effort at engaging a frank discussion.

    My question to Coach MacLean is: “If you know Robin Lehner has not won a single game vs. Boston since a 1-0 shutout a year ago, why do you keep starting him?” My other question is “Are you trying to tank to face the Jets or Capitals, since there’s no guarantee they will be an eaier draw?” My last question is “Which is more important to you, winning and accumulating points and making and advancing in the playoffs or keeping the GM’s prized prospects happy?”

    Leafs were smart today, saved by Kiprusoff’s unwillingess to move and by Luongo’s massive contract.

    Lots of change in Buffalo, Pominville extremely classy to put the team before himself and agree to a trade that improves the team, very selfless of him!

  6. Mike8888 says:

    I like the Bishop trade for Conacher and a 4th rounder. Conacher can really play and should only get better. Also, Tampa’s 4th rounder is really a 3rd. This is a trade that helps both teams now and I wish Bishop well, when he doesn’t play the Sen’s. I heard on TSN that Bishop almost went to the Flyers, but Murray demanded Couturier from Philly in return. Conacher is a little small but he will definitely add some much needed scoring.

  7. OD99 says:

    Really, really happy with this trade…don’t think we could have hoped for more.

    Conacher is an exciting player and has some edge to his game (Bobby he will remind you a bit of Gallagher) and the 4th back is just gravy.

    I think even if Murray could have gotten a 1st round draft pick we would be hard pressed to get a guy as good as Conacher…and he is already somewhat developed at 23 years old.

    A young guy who can score and grow with the current group of players…really love this trade.

  8. KevinF says:

    Good trade. Personally I would have dealt Andy as many here have advocated, his value is unlikely to ever be higher,and let Lehner and Bishop push each other for a year or two. One establishes dominance and the other can be wheeled for more assets while another young goalie is developed.
    Dave does conacher really remind you of Gallagher in anyway other than size? Having watched Conacher a lot in the AHL playoffs and some this year with Tampa, I think he is far more of a finesse player, although he doesn’t appear to be afraid of traffic. As far as small man comparables I’d compare Cory to StLouis and Gallagher more like Fluery. Not that either could necessarily live up to those players achievements in anyway, just in style.

  9. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pav, mon ami, it blows my mind too…I am waiting anxiously by the phone but no one calls…I don’t get it! Certainly I (hell, anyone) could have done better than acquire Lapointe, Richardson, Smith, Comrie, Commodore, Sutton, Stillman, Cullen, Kovalev, Leclaire, Gilmore, Rund’sbad, Obrien, Emery, Daugavins, Winchester, Butler, Da Oats-like Costa, Paddock, the “Little General”, Hartsburg, all the assistant coaches (including Emery’s good buddy, the very fly Ely). I wouldn’t make my organization a family affair; like the Montreal Canadians and the other 28 teams in the league I would have ex-NHLers at the helm. Indeed Pav, it blows my mind too!

    Are all the other countries in the Woman’s World Hockey Championship necessary? Really and truly, all the teams needed are Canada’s and the US. Beating teams 13 – 0 is nothing to be proud of. Until other countries start taking women’s hockey seriously, I would much prefer watching exhibition matches between the North American entries only!

    Dave, I have seen Conacher play and indeed he does remind me of Gallagher. He will not be short on courage (it is interesting that the GM is using that term to describe the kid). Playing with guys like Stamkos and St Louis, stats came easy, it will be interesting to see if he can score on a low scoring team (after a very fast start his numbers has really tailed off). I wish both involved in the trade nothing but good!

    Yes Pierre, that “good first pass” descriptor is silly. Can someone tell me who are the bad first passers? Passing is fundamental…it is akin to saying he can skate the length of the ice without stopping!

    It is interesting how Columbus “under new management” is playing better hockey! I will go out on a limb and say the Gaborik will start scoring goals again.

    The Oilers are believing in themselves (they should!) and are playing great; they are also getting great goaltending from Dubnyk (the kid Greg Millen said wouldn’t make it because of his poor lateral motion…new flash Greg, the kids is 6-6).

    Yosemite Sam is all smiles. Inspite of having one of the league’s worst PPs and PKs, the lowest scoring team in the league and….on the fringe of a missing the playoffs, they beat the Habs last night. Damn he good!

    Is Philly’s Wayne Simmons a hockey Player or what! He plays the game much bigger than his 183 lbs! He can skate, hit, fight, handle and protect the biscuit and score goals!

    The games are getting harder/tougher and the playing field is evening out. It will be very interesting to see how the remaining games unfold.

  10. OD99 says:

    Kevin I haven’t seen enough of either of them to really know but Gallagher is a guy that Bobby talks about as being able to go in the corners, fight to the front of the net, etc…so that is the part I was talking about as I have seen enough of them to know Conacher isn’t afraid of traffic.

    Gallagher may be more in your face but Conacher isn’t afraid and certainly plays bigger than his size.

    Murray traded a 2nd round pick and received a goalie that helped up get to the play-offs last season and maintain a play-off position this season. He then turned that goalie into an offensive player that has already had some development but at 23 has room to improve and a 4th rounder. I think Murray did very well with Bishop as even a late 1st round pick (which we couldn’t have received for Bishop) would be hard pressed to turn into a player with Conacher’s skill.

    With so many goalies on the market I don’t think that trading Andy would have gotten anywhere close to the value needed in return. I am also a believer in veteran goalies and Andy can be very, very good for 4-6 more years so I am happy we kept him. No need to get rid of a steady goalie who was playing at a Vezina caliber rate and hand the team to a couple of kids…Lehner can be the true starter in a couple of years when Andy’s contract is up and then we can see if we keep the vet or trade him then.

  11. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    I watched a Tampa Bay Sens game on the Lightning feed the other day and they had a piece on Conacher. He’s got fantastic character and was well-loved by all his teammates. He’d rally cry on the bench, ask questions of St. Louis and Stamkos, basically a Matt Carkner kind of story, really feel good.

    It’s a good trade by both teams. Agree with everyone on that one. I am kind of nervous about the next few weeks though, if Anderson doesn’t revert to unsustainable .950+ for the rest of the seaon and playoffs this team could be in tough. Then again, this isn’t our year so just use it to evaluate. In four or five years when we should be in contention (hopefully with a new, non-Murray GM that puts emphasis on playoff results and treats players accordingly) Conacher might not be here. By that time hopefully Spezza will have his back issues behind him and Karlsson is playing a less flashy, more conservative game that excels in the post-season.

    Buffalo robbed Minny by the way. Hackett probably wasn’t going to star over there in goal but he could easily become a #1 in Buffalo. The real gem here is Johan Larsson, a Swede center that is basically a mini Mikko Koivu. Those that oooh and aaah at high stat toals will slough that off, but Larsson is excellent on defense and on offense, wins important draws, isn’t afraid of getting his nose dirty and takes calculated risks with the puck. He could just as easily shut down your top guy as get you a few points, what a dream. On top of that Buffalo got TWO picks? Don’t get me wrong, Pominville is a very classy player, he was their captain and he’s good for 60-70 a year but wow…a little too much.

    Don, if you speak with Tim or Bryan again, can you ask them what their expecttions are for the playoffs for now and the future? I have none personally but would like to know, unless the words playoffs and Stanley Cup are taboo up there in the upper reaches.

    SOme very easy games coming up. Buffalo is beatable, Florida teams beatable…Boston not going to happen unless ANderson pitches a shutout (automatic loss with Lehner)…we could fall to 7th or 8th in a hurry, only 5 points seperating the Senators from 9th!

  12. Mike8888 says:

    I keep having this recurring nightmare. In the nightmare, Bobby is the GM of the Senators, and if that’s not bad enough, he had just traded Karlsson for Paj, and Spezza for Gallagher. That’s about when I wake up. Now that’s a nightmare.

  13. OD99 says:

    Bobby the Oil beat the Flames 8-2 last night and Paj had zero shots, 1 hit and was a -1…terrible display.

  14. ChokerHater says:

    Bishop gets traded for a 5’6″ “skilled” hockey player
    that’s all you got for one of the best goalies in the NHL?
    Stevie Y says thanks
    and Mr Bishop goes out an promptly stops 45 shots
    another dandy Murray trade hahaha

  15. Daniel Murphy says:

    God, I hope I am wrong, but due to Conacher’s small physical stature, I can’t help but think that I am looking at a Mike Comrie duplicate. I think we should all be honest and admit that except in very rare cases (Fleury, St. Louis) small players simply do not cut it in today’s NHL. Just look at Gerber. I think he has now been injured more than he has played.

    We better snap our little losing streak sooner than later. Time for Anderson to step up to the plate.

  16. OD99 says:

    Z-bad now only 3 points behind Gallagher (and now 7th in rookie scoring having played 5-7 games less than players above him) and has played 3 less games…he doesn’t get the same PP looks and is playing with rookies while Gallagher plays with the Canadiens best player on a legit scoring line.

    Z-bad also has twice as many hits, a couple less give-aways (although at 6 and 4 respectively both of them protect the puck quite well) and 3 less take-aways….I think they are both playing quite well for rookies and will both be big parts of their team for a while.

    I know you seem to miss him going into the corners first each time it happens but come on Bobby…it is getting to be time to give the kid some credit and stop with any old references about what he did in the SEL or the A earlier this year.

  17. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    OD99,

    Sure, I’ll do that when he leads the team on a deep playoff run in the NHL and is a warrior and leader in those games.
    Until then, the old SEL and AHL tropes will remain. Once SELfverberg wins a Conn Smythe trophy, leads the playoffs in scoring, blocks and hits (or at least scoring and blocks) then he’ll truly have arrived. Same with Zib, lead the team to the finals, carry the team on your back like our captain did. That’s the benchmark, now reach it.

    So it appears Craig ANderson not only injured his ankle but also fell on his head while he was recovering.
    Today in the Sun he said Erik Karlsson would be the next Nick Lidstrom. Now, I know Anderson only knows about championships from reading about them in the paper (much like our management and most of our team outside of Gonchar and Paul MacLean) but is he even aware of Lidstrom’s accomplishments, on and off the ice?

    On the ice: 7 Norris trophies, 4 Stanley Cups (one playoff MVP!), NHL All Rookie Team, six consecutive 1st All-Star Teams (not the lame ones where people vote them in, but end of year AS teams chosen by the media). 10 1st all-Stars, two seconds, top 5 in plus minues for close to a decade…and Karlsson has…one Norris trophy, one point in his last playoffs.

    Craig, do us a favour. Do better than an .886% Save percentage and stop talking about things you’ve no idea about. You have never won at any level, you have never been past the first round of the playoffs at any level, you wouldn’t know Nick Lidstrom if he was on the same ice surface as you. Embarrassing statement from a flaky goalie. I hope he gets traded so we never hear stuff like that again!

    Oh, off the ice for Lidstrom? PURE CLASS. You will NEVER hear Lidstrom blame another player for his injuries. EVER. He just takes it in stride, says it’s part of the game and moves on. Karlsson could learn from that as well! Never blame anyone but yourself, give credit to others, do not seek personal glory and sttrive to win championships! THEN will you be close to being as good as Lidstrom!

  18. OD99 says:

    Uh…OK?

    Glad you have finally shed the cumbersome cloak of denial and are now a pure troll Vis. So what team or players do you like? I imagine it is a very short list.

  19. Neil Harris says:

    Pierre D,

    A bit harsh I think. You are right, Anderson has never had any true success in this league but he has the right to an opinion. As somebody who goes to a lot of Sens games I know that Karlie is not in Lidstrom’s league as a defenceman but he’s still pretty good and we’re lucky to have him.

    As soon as Mr. M makes some key front office changes, starting with our hapless GM, I think we can have a real good thing going here.

  20. Daniel Murphy says:

    Is Conacher burning it up or what?

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