Waiting for Alfredsson

- July 18th, 2012

I’m not buying any of these conspiracy theories about Daniel Alfredsson and his decision on whether to play again or not.
I don’t think he’s looking for more money or another year. I don’t think it is in any way tied in with the Senators next promotional campaign. In fact, I think he’s already made up his mind.
Bryan Murray wouldn’t sound as optimistic as he did over a recent conversation he had with Alfredsson if he didn’t know No. 11 will be back for more.
I just think that Alfredsson, along with the rest of the world, is waiting to decide when there will be more to come back to.
Why should he say he’s going to play if the current CBA negotiations turn into another work stoppage/lockout/strike?
I believe just as soon as the league makes an announcement, so will Alfredsson.
If the former is positive, so will be the latter.
Oh, and welcome back Bobby.
Of course you weren’t blackballed. Me and the other moderators were just slow in getting to the pending comments.
My apologizes.

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24 comments

  1. Daniel Murphy says:

    Don, what does the CBA negotiations have to do with Alfie deciding to come back or not? If he intends to play this year, then simply tell us. If he is holding out for money, then perhaps he should be honest and say so. If he really doesn’t know if he wants to play or not, then he should also say so. What is the big secret? I am sure Murray and company and the fans would like to know one way or another and the sooner the better. Boy, I find prima donnas annoying.

  2. Mike says:

    who cares

  3. I agree with you Babe Magnate (wasn’t Paul Bunyon’s Ox named babe and the only eyes that turn my way wear blue and look like Babe). But, it is only Donnie’s opinion and it very well be the case. If he wasn’t coming back, there would be no harm in letting his gazillion fans the the organization know. Since Murray suggested he was returning, my suspicion is he has made up his mind and doing exactly what Kevin suggested earlier. Certainly there are some who wouldn’t care but the Murray’s have a penchant for selling hype. Elvis will be in the building and the fans will go wild.

  4. Mike8888 says:

    I agree Daniel. There is no way my beer league would put up with me taking so long to decide whether I will play the next season or not. Hey, what ever happened to Pav and Nancy?

  5. OD99 says:

    Let’s just say that Murray and Alfie both know for sure he is coming back and are withholding the information – what harm is there in that?

    The Senators you may recall are a business and if building the hype on Alfredsson coming back or not is good for business and can somehow have an effect on season ticket sales and merchandising sales, etc…then that is GOOD BUSINESS.

    I don’t buy into the theory that Murray sells hype but if true and it impacts the team in a positive way financially then that is GOOD BUSINESS. Personally I don’t really care what they say, I am a Senators fan and I like watching live NHL hockey so I will probably always go see at least a few games but for the last 5 years I have had a flex 40. I haven’t really increased or decreased my attendance much any of those seasons because I am not influenced by what the guys on the radio or in the paper or on TV say – I judge the team on my own.

    Which is why I am actually still quite happy with the team going into 2012/13 – I like we got bigger and more defensively aware, I like that we have a potential Calder candidate most likely ready to play in the NHL and I like that our team depth seems like it is continuing to get better because I believe that is how you get on the track to long term, sustained success.

    Everything else is just fluff.

  6. Dennis_w says:

    OD,

    Looking at the changes in the make up of th eastern conference, my guess is that the sens won’t make playoffs this coming year. Now I said the same thing last year and I was wrong. But anyone with any longterm vision and knowledge of the organization would not think that this would be a huge disappointment, should it happen.

    But the haters and vultures, who are the vast majority on here, and who mostly kept silent under their rocks last year, will be back in droves.

  7. Legitimate hype Dave for sure but there are times to just let it go. He, much like the Leaf’s organization hyper promote everything. I guess he does because he can; everybody buys whatever he sells. I can go back to the Lapointe signing and how he was going to be a leader in the dressing room full of leaders! Mike Comrie, Pascal Leclaire, Sutton, Stillman, Commodore, Cullen, Kovalev, Kuba, Gonchar were promoted as the players who were going to help bring the team to the promised land. Petersson was going to be the guy who would be Spezza’s right winger for the next 10 years but now we can’t read or hear a word about the guy. Butler was going to be a scoring sensation in the NHL and was given 60 games to prove he simply couldn’t do it! Da Costa was going to be the Senator’s version of Adam Oates. Wiercoch and Rundblad were to be Karlsson-like. Zibanejad a potential second line center and scoring star…he is still promoted as a lock on the big team but now a potential winger with Spezza in spite of scoring only 5 goals last year. I totally agree with promoting a worthy cause but when it continues to fail, credibility is lost.

    Why would it be more exciting to wait for the announcement that God has decided to play another year and can’t a fan buy a season ticket right now?

    The team got bigger with the departure of the Carkner and the addition of Methot? Lundin is soft and most softies are porous. I don’t care about defencive awareness…the team doesn’t need someone to be aware…the team needs players who will play tough defencively!

    Who is the potential Calder candidate? Could it be Petersson, Hoffman, Noesen, Wiercoch, Gryba, Boro, Zibby, or Sly? I suspect you mean Sly. I truly hope he is but I stronly suspect he would and should play a year in the manures; afterall, Rundblad “dominated the SEL” as well.

  8. ChokerHater says:

    Who cares, good one Mike

    The fact is, the CBA has nothing to do with his decision, if there is no agreement, he isn’t playing anyway, the only time the CBA makes a difference is IF he is playing. So your thought process is a bit confusing Don.

    The real facts are this, if he comes back, and his old low ball at the end contract is in force, then he plays for 1 million a year when 18 year old NHL kids are making double that. So you and I both know that isn’t happening.
    If he already knows he is coming back, then a contract has already been worked out and Murray and him are trying to figure out how to make it “look good” to the media and the fans. No problem with the homer media in Ottawa, but someone in Toronto or Montreal might pick up on the mercenary tactics and there are some real hockey fans in Ottawa who might question it too

  9. butts says:

    “Me and the other moderators were just slow in getting to the pending comments.”

    Come on, Don. Me was just slow? I expect jocks to speak and write with improper grammar. You, on the other hand, are supposed to be a journalist.

    Me am appalled!

  10. Denis, are quitting on the team already? For once, we agree. But I would like to ask you a few of questions:

    - when do you think the team will make the playoffs – next year, the year after that;

    - do you think this team the team will be able to compete with teams like Philly, Pitts, Boston, NYR;

    - is the goal to make the playoffs or to win the prize and what year might that happen; and

    - at what point do we as fans and Melnyk as the guy who pays the bills decide that Murray is failing.

    I know why you concede the team will fail this year Dennis, wishful thinking and dreaming do not make for champion teams. You can now agree with we “haters” who have said the team will not make the playoffs (and last year was an anomally) but retain the team colours as a staunch supporter. You have your feet firmly planted on both sides of the fence! Why am I not surprised. I left you some questions but will be shocked if you offer any answers.

  11. OD99 says:

    Bobby:

    “Why would it be more exciting to wait for the announcement that God has decided to play another year and can’t a fan buy a season ticket right now?”

    That is exactly my point – yet some think there is a conspiracy afoot and both Alfie and management are withholding information…I am saying who cares either way. I already bought my tickets – I hope Alfie plays but the team is who I follow, not an individual.

  12. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Of course OD99/Riddick19/other aliases is happy. He is a pom-pom waver and Kool Aid drinker of the first order!

    Here is a list of SEL MVPs:

    Players in bold type also won that season’s Guldpucken.
    2012 – Jakob Silfverberg, Brynäs IF
    2011 – Magnus Johansson, Linköpings HC
    2010 – Mats Zuccarello Aasen, Modo Hockey
    2009 – Johan Davidsson, HV71
    2008 – Tony Mårtensson, Linköpings HC
    2007 – Fredrik Bremberg, Djurgårdens IF
    2006 – Andreas Karlsson, HV71
    2005 – Henrik Lundqvist, Frölunda HC
    2004 – Magnus Kahnberg, Västra Frölunda HC
    2003 – Niklas Andersson, Västra Frölunda HC
    2002 – Ulf Söderström, Färjestads BK
    2001 – Kristian Huselius, Västra Frölunda HC
    2000 – Rikard Franzén, AIK
    1999 – Jan Larsson, Brynäs IF
    1998 – Tommy Söderström, Djurgårdens IF
    1997 – Jarmo Myllys, Luleå HF
    1996 – Esa Keskinen, HV71
    1995 – Per-Erik Eklund, Leksands IF
    1994 – Peter Forsberg, Modo Hockey
    1993 – Peter Forsberg, Modo Hockey
    1992 – Håkan Loob, Färjestads BK
    1991 – Håkan Loob, Färjestads BK
    1990 – Bengt-Åke Gustafsson, Färjestads BK
    1989 – Anders Eldebrink, Södertälje SK
    1988 – Anders Eldebrink, Södertälje SK
    1987 – Peter Lindmark, Färjestads BK
    1986 – Kari Eloranta, HV71

    Going back 26 years, Forsberg and Loob are the only ones to have done anything at the NHL level.
    We are supposed to believe Silfverberg is going to be Peter Forsberg? I’ll be happy if he’s Jonas Hoglund or Freddie Modin or Jere Lehtinen. I’ll be in the stands for a few games this year and we have our chants for Spezza if he is given the “C”, listen for us at :19 mark of every period, we’ll let Spezza know he isn’t or never will be a two-way player like Alfredsson.

    As for Alfie, all due respect but what the hell is he waiting for?
    The choice is simple: Stay at home and collect your mil while raising your four kids with your wife or whoop it up on the road for 40 games and get your mil that way. Didn’t take Lidstrom long to decide, or Selanne…we’re nearly in August, it’s time to make a decision.

    As for predictions: 7-11 like last year, with a potential push to 4-5. You guys all know where to reach me when the Senators win a playoff round, still waiting with the 10-year mark rounding the corner in a few years.
    But we have prospects…how can we forget when the rival publication basically cuts and pastes its articles every year telling us about the prospect pool?

    Yaaaaawwwwwwwwwnn…talk is cheap, let’s see these wundekinds win the East and the Stanley Cup.
    If they are THAT good and THAT deep, they WILL get it done in the post-season. Otherwise, just more obfuscation by Murray…what else is new!

  13. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    P.S. Lundqvist in there too but almost 10 years with Rangers and only two playoff rounds won!

  14. Manfromdenmark says:

    Don has a legitimate point.

    If there is going to be a work stoppage, then making up his mind to play now would be a moot point. So, IF he decides to play, but there is a lockout, he’d be wasting his time training for nothing. Then what? Wait an entire year to decide to give it a go again? He’d be 41-42 that year. He deserves the time, and if there’s no work stoppage then I think he’s going to play. However, I think those of you arguing Don’s point completely missed its meaning.

  15. ChokerHater says:

    Very good post PierreD
    not a lot of outstanding players in that list, a couple but most are no names
    as long as Murray is at the helm, you know they won’t win it all, why change anything after 35 years

    to:manfromdenmark:
    the point is, if your going to play next year, or you think your going to play, you get in shape, do you think every NHL player is taking the summer off, just in case there is a strike/lockout
    Just more baby talk for poor old Alfie

  16. Dennis_w says:

    Bobby,

    I’m hardly quitting the team, and have never threatened to do so, even if my favourite player were traded;)

    As far as the playoffs go, I was hoping, going into last year that the team would compete for the playoffs in 3-5 years, and do so consistently thereafter.  I was surprised by last year’s result. I’m still not sure it was the best thing for the long term development of the team.

    As far competing with the Philly’s, the Rangers, etc.. I think that those teams, along with a few others, have a competitive advantage monetarily speaking. That’s why certain teams can never get out of the rebuilding phase; because it takes money to compete consistently for the Cup. That doesn’t mean a small-market team can’t get lucky and win the Cup, but you won’t be a consistent powerhouse unless you spend to the cap. If Ottawa is willing to spend to the cap, in a couple of years, assuming competent management and coaching, the team should be competing with other cap teams.

    IMO, Melnyk should decide if Murray is failing once the rebuild is done (3-5 years).  Also, IMO, if I were Melnyk , I wouldn’t keep Murray after the rebuild, since he has shown to have talent in drafting and developing players, but has shown weakness when needing to make the other steps necessary to compete for the Cup. (I’ve said this on more than one occasion on this blog, but my guess you only read, or didn’t read, what you wanted anyway). I also disagree with you about the type of team Murray inherited.

    I’m not sitting on the fence. It’s only that you and I think quite differently. You seem to take a very short-sighted view and look for instant gratification.  You’ve constantly made snap judgments of players, teams and everything else.  That makes you like the vast majority of fans. I prefer to have a larger sample size and wait before I make judgments. You can call that an apologist or whatever you like.

    Finally, in responding to your post I’ve proven, once-again, that you were wrong about your premise that I wouldn’t. That’s not to say that I’ll continue to do so since I’ve realized from experience that I neither have the time nor patience to go over the same points over and over with you. I’ll leave that to others.

     

  17. OD99 says:

    Visitor I don’t need to have any aliases – not sure where that thought even came from but you can believe what you like.

    Nice list, probably the most in depth analysis you have ever done for one of your posts., That said, it isn’t news to me – I know all about the SEL and the players that have come over and done well or not. In fact, the Senators just had one player who lit up the SEL and then didn’t quite have it to make the Senators last season in Rundblad. Although he has lots of time to become a regular NHL player

    That doesn’t mean anything though as if you do look at that list you will notice a few things – the guys that won the award young actually did come over and have an impact so that is a positive. I also just like what I have seen of him on video and in the two play-off games he was able to play in. Of course, you can join others in slagging all things Senators so you can smugly reflect on how right you were that this player or that player weren’t Peter Forsberg (is that really the criteria to be a good player now? A generational great?)

    As far as I am concerned I like his potential and with the position he just might be placed in he could have a high degree of success. That isn’t pom-pom waving, that is my view based on a very small sample size of information that my own eyes viewed.

    Your comment on Lundqvist is just odd and shows how narrow your viewpoint is so I am not going to bother trying to provide a counter argument.

  18. You really believe it takes 3-5 years to rebuild a team Dennis? Murray effectively has been rebuilding since his arrival….hasn’t he? And, when did the clock start ticking on the Murrays? Last year? So are we to assume you want him here until 2018 and then make a decision and no matter what state the team (good or bad) then let him go?

    I make snap judgements on players? I think you are probably right. I didn’t like the following Murray acquisitions:

    - Lapointe, Richardson, Smith, Cullen, Commodore, Mr. Hillary Duff, Stillman, Kovalev, Daisey the Air Rifle, all the undrafted NCAA players who played 3 years, Da Costa, Butler, Dog, Obrien, Missing Klink, Konopka, Wiercoch, Gryba, Rundblad. With most of these players gone, going or in the AHL, perhaps I could have been right? I like Zibby but I wouldn’t have drafted him, nor do I like the hype and am very disappointed with his 5 goals last year. I was not impressed with Sly’s decision not to test his game against NHLers last year in pre-season. Please tell me where I have offered snap judgements. But even if I do, isn’t that what this forum all about, sharing opinions? I make a call on a player after I have seen them play! I also suggest that having starred in the SEL is certainly no guarantee and Pierre certainly proved that with his post! I want my team to compete effectively with other teams in the NHL. I want to be entertained and hated the move to sign old has beens; I like youth, speed, skill, size and courage! I am embarrassed by what the Murrays have done with all the coaches, players and airing of dirty laundry. You say Brian is a great judge of talent and great at drafting and developing…who falls into this category aside from Karlie? It is yet another myth promoted by the media!

    - when do you think the team will make the playoffs – next year, the year after that; YOU STILL HAVEN’T ANSWERED THAT QUESTION DENNIS AND DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE MELNYK CAN’T SPEND TO THE CAP (perhaps he could if he didn’t spend money like 1.2 for bums like Butler).

    - do you think this team the team will be able to compete with teams like Philly, Pitts, Boston, NYR; SO BY NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION I SUSPECT YOU DON’T THINK THE TEAM WILL EVER BE ABLE TO COMPETE..IS THAT RIGHT DENNIS. DID THIS TEAM HAVE MORE MONEY THAN THE REST IN ’07?

    - is the goal to make the playoffs or to win the prize and what year might that happen; I GUESS THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, IS THAT RIGHT DENNIS; THE PRIZE IS UNDOABLE?

    - at what point do we as fans and Melnyk as the guy who pays the bills decide that Murray is failing. 2018 5 MORE YEARS OF MURRAY IS SATISFACTORY FOR YOU DENNIS?

  19. Dennis_w says:

    Bobby,

    I answered each of your points, in easy to understand (or so I thought) order, when you said that I would never do so (proving, once again, how wrong you usually are).  Please try re-reading what I wrote.

    If you don’t like my opinions or can’t understand them, I can’t help you further.

    Have a good day.

     

  20. 2018…5 more years to be one of the 16 teams out of 30 to play on in the post season; this is success in is success Dennis? 11 years of Bryan Murray and Dennis would celebrate…a playoff birth. Wow.

    “If Ottawa is willing to spend to the cap, in a couple of years, assuming competent management and coaching, the team should be competing with other cap teams”. You are confusing me Dennis, are you suggesting that the current management team and coach are not competent. Are you also suggesting that Melnyk cannot afford to spend to the limit?

    The term “rebuild” really is a silly one made more silly when the so called rebuild is being done by the guy who built the team that needs to be rebuilt!!!! Good GMs, competent GMs are always making their teams better so that no overhaul is needed. Check out all the players this team has signed in the last 6 years, were they part of a rebuild of sorts Dennis? I have certainly named them often enough and have also neglected others and forgotten some but the fact remains, Murray has had legions of players come and go! If you can accept that as reality, what makes you so confident he will be better after FIVE MORE YEARS!!!!!!

    You never told me when you thought the team would be in a postion to compete for the cup so I assume you must believe it is never.

    Perhaps I chose the wrong words Dennis; you did give up on the team, you simply agree with me and others who say the team will not make the playoffs. I say that and it is negative…for you to say that, it is a positive thing? I expect more Dennis and you do not. That doesn’t make me wrong or negative it simply makes me an outspoken fan of the Senators who will not accept the status quo. I want and expect more. When I suggested Hoffman or Petersson be given the opportunity to play in the post season rather than a 19 year old Junior and a 22 year old who never played North American hockey before , I was negative. Far from it, I was absolutely positive and wanted to beat the Rangers and truly beleived The Hoff and/or Petersson with a T, gave the team a better chance! I thought Carkner should have played the first game! I didn’t think Butler deserved to be in the lineup. I wanted to beat the Rangers so bad and that makes me negative.

    I love having an NHL team here in Ottawa but unlike you, I will say what I think. I want more! I thought the Gilroy for Lee deal was absolutely stupid (Gilroy may not be in the NHL this year but Lee signed a 3 year deal in Tampa, go figure). Butler played 60 games which I objected to but, I was a negative bastard. I protested too when Rundlad and Da Costa played 20 games and damn the GM wanted them to be successful but, the great judge of talent was disappointed yet again. When everyone was celebrating Obrien and Daugavins, yours truly was saying they were ham and eggers and now our hosts concede it.

    What have you ever objected to Dennis? Happily accepting 5 more years of Murray suggests you support it all.

  21. Dennis_w says:

    Bobby,

    I hesitated even responding to you.

    You’ve read what I wrote, but didn’t understand it. Therefore, you’ve fallen back into your comfort zone of everything being either black of white, which is easier for you.

    You decide when the rebuild starts; you decide what I think of management and players etc…

    I’m not going to wste my time rehashing my points and defending myself against things I’ve never said or believed.

    Think what you want.

  22. It is not a matter of right or wrong or comfort zone Dennis. It is opinion and that is all. You are the one who suggests there is a rebuild, I don’t even like the term and think it be silly expecially when as I have mentioned the GM responsible for the state of the team is responsible for the so-called rebuild. If I am black and white for wanting more after 6 years (and certainly more after 11) than so be it. I could be wrong but in business either the organization is in the black or in the red…very binary. In the entertainment industry a movie either amuses and entertains or it does not. Failure is the result in both cases…very binary again. But, entertainment is up the the audience and I am not entertained by what Murray has build here but many are; I concede that.

    If you endorse what the GM is doing Dennis and willing to give him 5 more years, isn’t it fair to assume you like the players/team he built? I could be wrong but if you didn’t like the players/team I suspect you wouldn’t be so willing to give him 5 more years (is that black or white?).

    It is wonderfuy that you and many, many others have such loyalty to the Sens organization…I wish I had that but I do not. I am a fan of hockey first and the Sens second. I want more and 6 years of Murray is not immediate gratification. Indeed Dennis, I think what he has done here is shameful; it is not a coincidence the great players don’t want to come here. They may use Ottawa to drive the price up but that is the extent of it, but…you will find old stars very willing to accept 5 million dollar multi year deals!

    I want more and you are satisfied that is all that separates me from most.

  23. Daniel Murphy says:

    I see Alfie finally confirmed that he was coming back to play. No mention of a revised contract or bonuses etc…

    Will we ever know if he is in fact truly playing for one million dollars only or is his remuneration for this year going to be substantially more than one million but kept very very secret?

    Nevertheless, we will be a much better team with him than without him. Hopefully he can stay healthy and produce at a top 6 forward rate.

  24. So if we look at the lines up front: Spezza and Michalek need a right winger; Alfredsson and Turris need a winger; the 3rd line, and I love it, is set with Smith, Neil and the Android (if the brain trust keep them together) and the 4th line is…well a hogwash of ham and eggers that neither score goals nor inspire any fear. We all know what the team has on the back end: Old softies in the very slow Gonchar and Philips; a minor leaguer and a softie in Lundin; a middle of the road player in Methot (but, he is local), the ultra soft, diving, squirming, feigning injury but high scoring Karlsson, the big but slow footed Cowen (who is effective if he keeps his game extremely simple). Other soft offensive defenders like Ceci and Wiercoch may be in camp but they aren’t close to making the bigs and I doubt Wiercoch will ever. Gryba is big and not afraid but is not very good at all. Borowiechi may surprise…he certainly likes to use the body and damn I love defencemen that will make you pay when crossing the blueline and venturing into the corner! Can Zibby, Sly, Stone fill in some of the blanks? I don’t think so, but we will soon see. But, as we have found out from previous years, performance in camp has no bearing on whether you make the team or not. Buter played 60 (with his PP games) and Rund’sbad and Da Costa both played a bunch of games. Will Petersson be given a chance…is he still alive…maybe; he obviously wronged somebody important. Is Hoffman with Petersson in Lower Slobovia? Most of the kids should play in Bingo for a year at the very least which leaves the team with OhmyGodBrien, the Dog, the Missing Klink and Condra. It is for these reasons I strongly suspect that the Senators in 2012-2013 will not make the playoffs in spite of the kean eye for talent and great ability to develop great hockey players that Murray is so very blessed with.

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