Angry Andy (and some other post game comments from Chicago)

- October 29th, 2013

Craig Anderson was clearly miffed after the Senators snatched defeat from the clutches of victory Chicago Tuesday.
“Yeah we’re frustrated,” said the Ottawa goalie. “We go into the third on the road with a one goal lead … you’ve got to find a way to win those games. At least get a point.
“They came out with a big push, and we’ve got to push back.”
In losing this one 6-5, Anderson has now allowed 11 goals in his last two starts. Robin Lehner could very well replace him Friday, when the Senators host the Islanders, but this isn’t entirely on the goalies.
Anderson made a number of big saves early to keep the Senators in the game. Once again, there were too many odd-man rushes allowed, too many defensive zone miscues.
“When you make mistakes and you lose, you learn from it,” said Anderson. “But at the same time you don’t want to get too smart.
“Breakdowns happen. It’s part of the game. It’s how you react to the breakdowns. Right now it’s one of those things. Every breakdown seems like it’s going in the back of our net. We’ve got to find a way to be a little bit better with the puck.
“We scored five goals, we should win the game. We need to take a little more pride in keeping the puck out of our net, and playing a little tougher in front of their net.”
The players only meeting the day before didn’t pay immediate dividends anyway.
“In any game you’re going to give up some chances defensively,” said Kyle Turris. “I thought for the most part we did a better job the transition. We created lots offensively.”
Said coach Paul MacLean: “We got five goals on the Stanley Cup champions. I thought we controlled a lot of play early in the game, but once we got the game to 4-2 and they changed the goalie, they seemed to get lots of momentum, and we didn’t handle the change in momentum very well. They put lots of pressure on us and we didn’t handle that very well. We turned over pucks and I think we gave them a lot of easy goals.”

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27 comments

  1. Mike8888 says:

    I still believe the Sen’s have the talent to turn this slump around and make the playoffs. They obviously have been playing most of the better teams lately so things may not be as bad as they seem. Let me take a deep breath and organize my thoughts.(not everyoe understands obvious sarcasm) They need to get back to basics in their own zone. Play tough in front of the net and just hammer the puck off the boards if they have to. If they can do that, their talent alone will win them a lot of games. It’s not all Anderson’s fault but I think it’s time to give Lehner a few games to see what he can do.

  2. PaV says:

    Mike8888 – I have to agree with you, but to be honest, it was hard watching them blow a 2 goal lead, they had CHI on the ropes and let off the gas. They are hopefully going to start November off right with a win over the Isles and a win over the Stars.

    I am looking forward to the HABS game next week – may be a good time to have a OPT meet and drink at Corner Bar and Grill on Bank.

  3. FKevin says:

    Lot of anger around here lately huh? Think I ll give it a rest here for a while, you lads are a lot more fun when then Sens are winning.

  4. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Paul MacLean said if the team didn’t start picking it up players would start leaving.
    Bryan Murray said there would be changes.

    Nothing has happened. The players know nothing will happen since even marginal players like Colin Greening have no-trade clauses. So if you want to move Greening to send a message the receiving GM won’t be able to move him, so you’re stuck with him.
    Clarke MacArthur has a no-trade. Why? He has no history with this team and is a second to third line player in production.
    They’re not going to trade Turris, Zibanejad, Conacher, SMith….so all these threats are basically management being paper tigers.

    This team lost a lot of veteran experience when Gonchar and Alfredsson left. That’s 30+ years of defensive and offensive experience gone and not replaced. Alfredsson was very hard on both sides of the puck as well. But the team has cap space, which is useless if they’re not using it. If the season ended today (and thankfully it doesn’t) they’d be giving the 8th pick to Anaheim. Did Bobby Ryan play at all vs. San Jose? I think he was in Chicago.

    I keep hearing the Senators are 3-0-1 vs. the East. Umm, they’ve beat Buffalo (horrible team), New Jersey (horrible team) and the Red Wings in an emotional statement game. They blew another 4-2 lead against Toronto, losing in a shootout. If the only teams Ottawa can beat are mediocre teams then they aren’t going to go very far in the playoffs, let alone make the playoffs.

    Here’s hoping they can beat an average team in the Islanders and a very bad team in the Stars and another bad team in Columbus. Because if they don’t win two out of the next three then…surely something will happen?

  5. OD99 says:

    Mr. Morality is also Mr. Sensitive….what anger?

    Agree with you Pav and Mike but I don’t think the Senators let off, I think they couldn’t handle the push from the ‘Hawks and once again it was a gong show in our end…so frustrating to watch the players run around without a clue.

    Cowen needs to have a seat – not sure why he is regressing this badly but he looks lost out there so far this year. He isn’t nearly as good as he was as a rookie at this stage.

    I think the most frustrating thing for me is when we actually do control the puck in our end the guys still give it away -the ‘Hawks jumped on us and would either strip it or we would simply pass it right back to one of them…

    5 goals and still lose is brutal. They are playing better offensively and starting to have some consistent pressure in the other teams end but once we don’t have the puck things fall apart quickly.

    I think they can start to turn these games into W’s as well but it better start happening soon – there isn’t a 1st round draft pick to console us if we do falter this badly all season….and that is scary.

  6. PaV says:

    Kev, there is no anger here at all – I think that you must be some sort of malfunctioning empathic or something – maybe taking a break is a good thing :)

  7. Bruce Garrioch says:

    I don’t sense any anger at all Kevin. I don’t know where this comes from. I think you get things in your head and you’re convinced you are right. My take on you is there is no point arguing with somebody who is always right. That’s why I rarely respond. It is pointless. I deal with people like you all the time.

  8. Mike8888 says:

    I’m frustrated with the Sen’s play but certainly not angry.

    Pav,
    How about next Tuesday at the Corner? It’s a road game against Columbus.

    Bruce,
    Are you and Don both going to Columbus? If not, maybe one of you an attend.

  9. PaV says:

    OD99 – no idea what is up with Cowen – for someone his size none should make it to the net. The amount of giveaways the team is giving up is crazy. The soft passes drive me nuts. But it is only October – but they need to pick their socks up and start to play.

    Wait, was that post too angry? I am sorry if it was. ;-)

  10. Mike8888 says:

    I’ve never seen so many goal area cross ice passes for goals before. I am sooo angry.

  11. KevinF says:

    Wow overreact much!you boys need pliers to take the hooks out of your mouths guess I need smiley faces to convey subtlies eh? Thought that the Sens winning reference was a hint but nope hook line and sinker congratulations, I’m going to stick around and pick off the low hanging fruit here just like always. Fish in a barrel.

  12. FKevin says:

    Waiting for the Leafs to come on but gotta thank you guys for a afternoon full of laughter, the best ones are the ones you don’t expect. I figured I’d get the usual scripted responses, but Iwas shocked and delighted at what transpired.
    Still can’t decide what part of the responses are my faves, the simple sarcasm of Mr. Limpet was good. Mr. Moral and Mr. Sensitive is very strong.
    The scolding from the high seat of Quebecor and Ottawa sun journalism was also very enlightening thanks for that Bruce.
    But the hands down best howler was the diagnosis of Dr. Singhman Fraud, I’ll,work on your advice Pav thanks!
    Anger? Look at the title of the thread boys I was tying it all together given the um testiness of some lately, coupled with the um struggles of the home team recently,gotta get me some of them clever smiley faces I guess.
    I thought the Mike/Choke throw down at the start of the season was entertaining, but this one actually made me laugh out loud, how could I even think of not participating?

  13. Pav says:

    lol @ Kev

    Mike8888 that works. Anyone else want to join? Kev? Bobby? OD?

  14. OD99 says:

    A couple of positives to counter-balance all the rage I am sensing on here…

    1. Zibby has been producing – regardless of how he plays or where he plays on the ice, etc…he has 2 goals (one a big boomer on the PP and another off a broken play after he cut to the high slot) and a beauty assist in 4 games. I don’t care how he does it but if he keeps getting points we should be pleased.

    2. Karlsson is now the points leader for D in the NHL (well tied with PK but Karlsson has one more goal). He carried over his offensive play from the Sharks game last night and that is very encouraging to see. Sadly he also carried over his mental lapses defensively…that early Toews goal in the 3rd is a prime example of him not being aware as he just let him sneak behind and right into the crease for a tap in. That goal there made me think we were going to lose.

    3. Turris!!!! What a revelation this guy is – not sure he can score the 30 he once suggested but right now he is our best, most complete player and is all over the ice each shift. Love this guy and am beginning to believe he may yet become a true #1 Center in the league. He just turned 24 and seems to have the work ethic to keep getting better.

    4. The second line in general. Whoever is with Turris and MacArthur is a very lucky player – they are both playing well and they keep going no matter who is on the ice with them – main reason the team is where they are at now.

    5. Z. Smith – has found the net early this year and is playing more physical while being a lot more responsible at both ends of the ice.

    6. With how bad the team has been at times they haven’t been buried in the standings…yet. With a little streak the Senators can jump up quite a few spots.

    7. Spezza – he is getting points and showing signs of being more consistent defensively – he doesn’t have the quickness to be a real good defensive player but he seems to be trying harder.

    All in all the Senators have a lot of room to improve but if our star players can get their acts together defending (Spezza, Karlsson and Michalek are a combined -16 so far this year) I think this team could have a significant turn around.

    I also completely agree with Pierre – the team needs to start a run now while facing some of the teams below us in the standings. Let’s start on Friday against the Isles – take it to the Stars and then I can cheer them on live for their 3rd W in a row in Columbus – ya baby.

  15. OD99 says:

    Gentlemen – look at how the Troll preens and makes a fool of himself while trying to back-track and suggest he was playing a game with us. Now exposed he has nothing left to offer but a feeble excuse that he was masterminding some “original” scam to have us get all frothy and angry.

    Failing like he does in so much of his daily life he has delusional thoughts that it was actually some sort of victory.

    As we have lives we are oblivious to his ramblings yet he seeks more responses – sad.

    Now that he finally lost any pretenses I am lumping him in with Choke – nothing more than a guy with zero better to do than come on a blog and try to stir things up. I won’t be commenting to him or on his post any further, hope you gents will join me.

    Knock your socks off Kevin, the floor is yours to ramble away on.

  16. FKevin says:

    Never said I masterminded anything Dave’ just got a wildly unexpected result. The original post was what I thought was a needle at you fellas being a little testy lately due to the Sens inconsistent play. Spun off to a place I didn’t expect but I loved it, truly made me laugh. The imperial edict that you are now changing my category and ceasing to respond to me is terribly devastating, though I’ve been encouraging the latter for some time. Seems your a little sensitive yourself there Mr. Limpet!

  17. PaV says:

    OD/Pierre – agree that we need to win some games. Tomorrows test vs the Isles should be easy enough.

    who is in for Tuesday?

  18. FKevin says:

    Pav, nothingi rather do than throw back some drafts, unfortunately the logistics just don’t work. Even in my poor mostly failed life (Mr Limpet knows all afterall) my days are mostly busy and 100 k trip for beers isn’t feasible. Might be coming to Ottawa next weekend, a local kid, Brandon Prophet , plays three days in a row with Saginaw. I believe the 67s are Saturday going Sunday aft for sure in Kingston, the KROC is a terrific facility. We haven’t decided on Belleville or Ottawa yet. Brandon’s a great kid and is rising in his rankings seems to be around 40th for next summers draft, 2nd rounder would be great!

  19. Mike8888 says:

    I agree OD. Some people are legends in their own mind.

  20. OD99 says:

    Pav I am actually in OH next week so I will be at the Columbus game live – will be at the Isles game Friday though…Section 202 if you wanna grab a pint there?

  21. PaV says:

    OD99 – I won’t be at the game tmw as I have a prior commitment…… but have a beer for me!

  22. ChokerHater says:

    Funny that Anderson would be mad, looks like he let in six goals and held a two goal lead at one time, I know it’s a team sport but sometimes a team needs a goalie lighting it up.
    Could this be another in a long line of goalies that feel like it’s a graveyard?
    Now come the excuses

  23. Bobby Goodman says:

    Why should anyone be baffled by the play of Ottawa’s defence? I suggested before the season started that they would be the weak link because, for the most part, the are s l o w and soft. Methot is the only one who dependable, can skate and hit. Cowen only hits someone against the boards, panicks with the puck and is brutally slow. Gryba is a borderline NHLer who is brutally slow and although Wiercoch is marvelous with the puck and he too is (and soft). Philips is old, slow and soft.

    I look at all the D’men the GM brought in and released. Most recently he had 2 here last year and both are gone and one of them is playing in all situations in Colorado.

    What is wrong with the team? You can start with the very noticeable double standard. No one ever questioned Karly’s talent only his heart. To say he was “cavalier” is a polite way to say he quits. The Coach, who won an award because his goalie was unconsciously good, is lost this year because he isn’t! The Coach demands a 200 foot game from his forwards but not from his rover?! He demands effort but not from Karlsson who stands around in his own end!

    I suggested Spezza should leave this organization and with the latest development, I am even more convinced. To have him demoted to the 3rd line, playing with Neil and Conacher, must be humiliating…it certainly makes no sense! Why not ask the Coach what he expects from such a combination? The teams leading scorer and most talented playmaker is on the 3rd line with a guy who is an aging enforcer who takes stupid, undisciplined and selfish penalties? Spezza kept a brave face but he couldn’t hid the confusion and disappointment. This would only happen in Ottawa. Bruce is soooo right, Spezza is blamed for everything, others are immune.

    The notion that the Sens would challenge the leagues best is falling short, Noesen, Silfverberg, Da Costa, Pageau are not part of the solution in this the final year of the 3 year rebuild. Now it is safe to point out that Cowen in not earning his new contract. Gryba is sitting in the press box. Wiercoch is showing some holes. But, the easy target, Corvo, is described as chaotic by :Simmer” has posted 5 points, is a plus player and hasn’t hurt the team!

    The line Combinations make little sense and pundits will rationalize them to death (Maclean authored them therefor they must make good sense…right?). The Coach his lost and confused and his two sidekicks, hand picked by the GM, are as well. I thought Spezza with Michalek and Conacher were playing well enough. Turris, Macarthur and Ryan were the teams best! The 3rd line is really a 4th line but Smith is/was playing well, Neil is Neil and Greening is a bum. It all changed when Zzzzz arrived….they had to find a place for him so he went from the outhouse to the penthouse and Conacher was the casualty. Milan and Rocco have had every bum on their line (Greening, Zzzzzz, Butler and now Neil). The Coach is a goof and a fool!

  24. Bobby Goodman says:

    Why no trade clause Mikey…the best answer I can offer is: because! This GM and his nephew assistant, didn’t have to write NO TRADE for the Greening deal, no other team would want him! We keep reading/hearing about his speed and shot, but never see them? The Android is a soft player and he Big, he Strong like bull!

    I wanted the team to go after Mason but the Leafs were the ones interested! He now has 5 goals and looks to have returned to way he played (after sever concussion) when he scored 25 goals (and he possesses amazing speed). The way this organization is managed (and I predicted this as well) no big time free agent would consider coming here. There is a sever shortage of class and intelligence.

    For all those who called me a hater because I was honest, I can tell you it is now safe to say the young defence has severe shortcomings. It is now safe to talk about Karly; some on the radio have conceded Karly is only focussed on offence and quits on his defensive responsibilities! Horrors! Turris will now play the point on the PP! No one can explain why Philips is there though and who here believes he will bring stability (recover for the rover who is the 4th forward ever night and therefor caught up ice) to Karly’s game?

    I don’t expect Spezza will get many points with Neil on his wing, so what does the coach expect from them? Spezza has been penalized for having Karly on the ice every time he is and that’s the primary reason he is wearing a minus 4 or is it 5! Often he has come all the way back to his goalie and pick up the puck on a back check!

    The Coach still believes Zibanisbad is a center but he doesn’t want and is unable to carry it more than 10 feet. While I celebrate his two goals, I still see him on his butt and following the play rather than lead it. He doesn’t create anything and he continues to follow others into a corner and rubs them against the boards. He still floats high in the slot WAITING for a pass while his line mates do the heavy lifting. And, he is awful at the dots.
    I would trade him in a heart beat! I would also trade Anderson before his stock declines even more (for the right deal of course).

    Ottawa should have gone after Kreider who is up and down with the NYRs. He is big, has courage and he can really skate! This team is better than their record but there are some major holes in the way they play and by the efforts of some. I blame that entirely on Maclean and Murray who has never wandered from a double standard in his management style.

    I am confused (it is easy to do) by the Colorado, Philly trade yesterday. Colorado gave up and key guy on the first line for an aging and declining checker. There must be more to this than what is written.

    Montreal will have Pac, Yemelin and Parros back soon and they will be that much better. Indeed Subban has 11 points (same as Karly?) but he also plays in his own end, effectively kills penalties and delivers punishing body checks!

  25. FKevin says:

    Maybe Andy’s angry(please insert clever smiley face I don’t know how) because he has déjà vu. His career pattern with his previous 3 NHL teams has been to get off to a great start and eventually be waived or allowed to expire or be traded for the grand total of Brian Elliot, Bruce might like to weigh in on his value.
    Guess the Sens are hoping that they haven’t allowed their buddies n barnacles in the local media to make Lehner into a f*****g God too. Horse might be outta the barn on that one tho, see Alfredsson Daniel, come to think of it Runblad and Silverberg where both referred to be the “best player outside the NHL” in these parts, anybody but me see a pattern here?

  26. Bobby Goodman says:

    You have to wonder what other brilliant ideas Maclean has up his sleave. The Sens allow the most shots per game than any other team in the 30 team league. I don’t care how bad a team may be, there can be no excuse for that. Tonight versus the Islanders they allowed 57! After 13 games, the team has but 4 wins.

    The Coach must really want to make a point with Spezza…he had him playing with Neil and Conacher, Grant and Greening and variations of same players. Brilliant! At least it was to Potsie!

    I don’t care how goals are scored as well but, there is more to the game. Zibanisbad was God awful. But, he is one of the chosen and doesn’t need to change a thing. He is forgiven for: not wanting the puck, not going into the corners, not battling for possession, not carrying the puck, playing soft, sitting high in the slot waiting for a gift, always behind the play, never making a play, being on his ass and being the first off the ice! He was terrible but some love the way he plays! On a couple of plays he confronted his greatest fear, finding the puck on his stick with no team mate to pass it to. Watching him stumble and fumble was funny and sad. He is another who is said to have a lot of speed.

    Karly was his usual self, on the ice for 3 of the Islander’s 4 goals, doing diddly squat in his own end and allowing the opposition behind him. That’s defence? He and Philips worked out well! He had two more points on horrible goaltending and that is enough for most. He should be forced to play with Gryba or Cowen! He led rushes but once he confronted the opposition, he fumbled the ball.

    The coach had Gryba and Cowen on the ice together in OT? Does anyone else see the folly in that decision? He did do one thing right, he kept Zzzz on the bench in OT. He touched the puck 5 times in the game?

    Spezza put the puck right on Neil’s but because he has cement hands and didn’t expect the pass was coming, it was lost! This is what happens when you put slugs with a play maker. Brilliant Mac.

    So, is everyone still confident the team will contend? Can they compete with the best? Are they entertaining? If the answer is not two the 2 of the 3 questions, then you have to look at who is responsible. Murray, family and friends are in their 7th year here. Does he get a free pass for 3 more years? Does anyone have the courage (it must take courage to ask questions) to ask Brian about the team in this the 3rd year of the 3 year rebuild. It must have been comforting to introduce the 3 year rebuild when it began, after all, no one blamed him for dismantling the team that went to the Stanley Cup final in 07. But time waits for no one and the Coach is in the tail end of the rebuild. Will the team compete next year?

    I look at the recent draft picks Rund’sbad (doesn’t dress for Phoenix), Cowen (big, slow and soft) and Zibanisbad (no skill, no courage) and wonder what did he see? Can’t wait to read what Mac has to say.

  27. Mike says:

    Pav,
    I can’t make Tuesday. I had something going already that I forgot about.

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