Quiet Sunday

- January 26th, 2014

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The Senators have Sunday off.
Coming off a 6-3 loss to the Carolina Hurricanes Saturday, the club needs to get its act together to prepare for the Columbus Blue Jackets Tuesday.
This is a huge game. The standings are tight. The Senators need wins.
The Senators had a 6-0-1 stretch earlier this month. Now, they’ve got 1-2-2.
This has to stop and it has to stop quickly.
The Senators need to get back trending in the right direction.
Our friends at sportsclubstats.com give them a 27% chance of making the playoffs this morning. That is down from 40% about a week ago.
Lots of teams are pushing for a spot. The Senators are in that group.
Robin Lehner didn’t make any saves Saturday. The worst I’ve seen from him in awhile. Not sure what happened.
Captain Jason Spezza has to be better. He didn’t have any kind of game Saturday and that just can’t happen. The Senators need offence from Spezza and they need a better effort.
This team can make the playoffs.
This team should make the playoffs.
But if they don’t get their act together what happened early in the season will come back to haunt. Set the tone for the Olympic break and get back into position. That’s what the Senators need right now.

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18 comments

  1. Bobby Goodman says:

    Did the newly minted AGM really say “we have to see where and how we are”…”we think we are a good team”…”we can get into the playoffs and maybe surprise a team”? Didn’t the Coach say “after 30 games we are what our record says we are”? Its all so very silly…really.

    If the team is so deep in prospects, why is the best of the bunch, DaCosta, going back to Bingo after his 3rd stint failed. If he isn’t the best of the bunch, why was he given yet another chance over others who have led the team for a few years! If the team is so deep in prospects, why is Lazar the only name that’s recognizable (again, this kid is being hailed as phenom like tha others before him – Zzzz, Rund’sbad, Butler, Cowen, Wiercoch, Gryba, Silfverberg…and many more). There is a lot of pressure on Curtis and he hasn’t played a single game as a pro.

    Are times so desperate they desperately need make the playoffs? Has the rental approach succeeded before (Commodore, Stillman, Cullen, Sutten etc.)? If Dorion and company identified (after 50 games no less) what the Team is right now…can he share it with the media/fans?

    Dorion shared “I like the way we are going as a team and direction we are taking”…seriously? The work that was supposedly done the last 3 years of the rebuild put them in a very strong position to…. again….miss the post season (24% chance) and he likes it???!!! As Bruce pointed out, the team hasn’t been in a playoff postion since Rememberance Day when the season was weeks old.

    Of course Dorion can’t be expected to be honest, afterall, where the team is right now is entirely due to the work he and the other members of the Sens Brain Trust have done for years! If he said the team was what their record says they are, he would be calling himself and others failures (can’t do that)!

    As for the Ryan trade, I like it but will he sign with Ottawa when his time is up? I strongly suspect he will not. The good money is on him going to Philly. Of course Murray and his team would know much more about that than a dumbass fan and if he’s had that discussion with Ryan and it is remotely true, he should be traded…to reacquire a first round draft choice.

    There is so much silly bugger that goes on here it’s enough to make your head spin:

    - the goalie fiasco (which has been totally mismanaged…and it is just an opinion of mine)
    - DaCosta…DaCosta….and…DaCosta (will he get a 4th opportunity?)
    - Zzzz and Michalek starting in OT which immediately led to a goals scored against and no will talk about it)
    - Zzzz getting more PP time (on occasion) than Bobby Ryan
    - Philips on the PP
    - Philips playing and Methot sitting
    - Boro sent back to the manures
    - Bingo stars getting a 1 or 3 game trial…seeing little icetime…and then getting sent back
    - The nonsense from Management
    - The goals against
    - One good line
    - Defence
    - No accountability for some players
    - Double standard(s)/favourtism

    Bring classy back.

  2. Mike8888 says:

    I don’t know what it is about the Sens playing in Carolina. They always play brutal. The Lehner had a terrible game, (especially the first goal) but it always seems to be something. I agree with some of the posts, the Sens have to simplify things in their own zone.

    We obviously have too many d on the roster right now, but that kid in Bingo, Claesson is looking like he may be ready for the show soon. He’s +27 (Bobby’s favourite stat in the whole world)

    Bobby,
    You don’t agree with Nic Lidstrom’s opinon that Karlsson is the best defenceman in the NHL? I’m shocked.

  3. PaV says:

    Mike8888 – why would be agree? Lidstrom is not Canadian – we all know that there is a dislike for non-Canadian players from Bobby. I wouldn’t mind seeing Claesson up here but I think the team needs to play like they did when they took 13 of 15 points a few weeks back.

    Just because its fun, here is my breakdown of what is happening in MTL fall from grace:
    - The goalie can’t stop a beach ball
    - Subaan has fallen from a +15 rating to a +3 in a matter of a week or so (lets say 10 days)
    - The coach looks lost (lack of hockey IQ)
    - Looks like the players have lost all respect for Subaan – you could see it Saturday night when the team was down 5 zip and he was trying to pick a fight (while being held back by a ref)
    - No accountability for some players
    - No good line that can score, hit and make an impact
    - the goals for is a an alarming stat.
    - goaltending – price being chased from the net in two straight games
    - the lack of D
    - the lack of a French speaking captain and a massive lack of leadership.

    Ole Ole Ole!

  4. PaV says:

    and OH lets not forget the biggest stat that Bobby used to use – MTL was second in Atlantic and was 12 points up on the lesser talented and smaller Senators…… they have now fallen too a wild card spot and are only 5 points up. OLE OLE OLE!!!!!!!!

  5. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Lidstrom, a Swede, said that Ekman-Larsson and Karlsson, Swedes, were among the best in the league.
    Sweden is playing at the ice hockey games at the Olympics…this comment shouldn’t even register on anyone’s radar, and lo and behold, it has not on any forums or media outlets. The only person to have brought it up was Jason York, who basically goes into an apoplexy of pleasure anytime anyone mentions as Senator, and is a Senators employee.

    Moving on.

    Lehner didn’t have a good game, but did anyone? Lehner hadn’t played since late December no? Despite Anderson having some very bad performances? That falls on the coach. Lehner could have started against Montreal or he could start vs. Columbus or Toronto or…but he won’t, because the lobster farmer has made up his mind and he’s scared to death. What can you do.

    I don’t completely get Bruce’s point about the Senators “needing” to get back to trending in the right direction.
    If the Senators miss the playoffs no one will lose their jobs. No one will be traded. No one will point the finger at the general manager (that’s forbidden and punsihed with revocation of privileges at Scotiabank Place, no doubt) or the players (they are all great and our prospects are the best in the world) so…? I guess it sucks for you guys that would have to cover Toronto or Montreal or Boston instead of Ottawa, but change needs to happen at the top and it needs to trickle down to coaching and the players.

    Murray’s job is safe until 2017 or so, so we’ve got another four years of “rebuild” left.
    MacLean will keep being “scared to death” and will keep making dumb decisions until he runs out of time, probably in five to six years.

    My concern is wit hthe players. Will Ryan want to stay on a non-playoff team? I would hope not, otherwise he is truly a loser. Will Murray have the gumption to trade Spezza if he feels the team needs to move on? Well, he gave Spezza a NTC so he can’t…

    Will the team finally be held accountable defensively? MacLean doesn’t seem to care.
    But I digress. I have my lawn chairs ready for next year’s Cup parade, the owners said it was so!

  6. Bobby Goodman says:

    Sorry Mikey, but I think that being on the plus side of the ledger may be better than being of the minus…I know, its entirely stupid of me. But, I am an idiot, right. BTW: I don’t have a favouite stat but I do have favourite stats like: wins versus losses, more goals scored for than those against, among the leaders in the standings etc….call me crazy! Stats I don’t like: being on the ice for most goals scored against than any other player on the team, leading the league in Gva.

    As for Lidstrom I don’t put a lot of weight in what his opinion is. Who won the Norris immediately after he retired, a young Swede? Who was doing the interview what exactly was asked, in what context did he say karly was the best. I wouldn’t expect Lidstrom to suggest anyone else but Karlsson.

    As for Lidstrom as great as he was, the timing was even better, for for him and his legacy. Do you know he didn’t win the Norris until he was 31? The Wings dominated the next 10 years! Why didn’t he win a Norris before ’01 when he was much younger, faster…better? I am not saying he didn’t deserve consideration, my point is there were others who played for teams that weren’t nearly as good and deserved it more. It is criminal the Brian Leech only one 2 Norris Trophies. I have seen many defencemen over the years and I haven’t a single one who dominated or controlled the game MORE than he did. Paul Coffee won the Norris once in his career and he was a guy who was great early (18 in fact). He had 1531 points, plus 294, and had 1802 PIM. Lidstrom had 1142 pts and only 514 minutes in penalties over 21 years. To me it is a testimony how soft he played…again…very good but very soft. In 2011, his last year in the League, it was absolutely criminal that he won the Norris trophy. He was very good but was he better than Chara and Weber? It was nonsense.

    Who in the history of the NHL elevated their game to the extent that Lidstrom did at the age of 31? I don’t know for sure but I would guess no one and to this idiot, it had a lot to do with him playing for Detroit who had the best team for years because they also had the best GM and Coach!

    I go back to asking some simple questions: would a opposing forward perfer to play against Karlsson or some others in the league who can get points but really bring it physically? And, shouldn’t any player bring it every game no matter who or where his team plays? Lets watch and see

    Coffee was gifted offensively and he was a great skater forwards and backwards. So was Leech and many others. I don’t think Karly is great going back. He has to turn and go forwards most of the time.

    It is just my opinion Mikey but I think a Defenceman has to do more than accumulate points. He can’t be awful in his own end. He should exit with speed and move the puck quickly (don’t make his team mates stop at the blueline). He shouldn’t turn it over and give the puck away often. And he should be a + player!

  7. Bobby Goodman says:

    Sorry, but just a bit more of my BS. Why would I select some players to dislike? What are the characteristics that are common among them? I’ll answer those qustions Mikey, I don’t just dislike a player and the ones I don’t particularly care for are those who don’t show up in tough games. Those who wont make the sacrifice. Those who quit on a play and those who play a safe game well on the outside. I can’t celebrate those players (the media all do). Even the smallest players have to make the investment sometimes and most of them do!!! Petersson and Hoffman may never make it but they deserve an extended look!

    I liked Petersson from the first time I saw him play and he’s a Swede, so it has nothing to do with a particular nationality. I loved watching many Swedes play from Salming, to Hedberg/Nilsson, to Kent Nilsson, to many in the league today (Landeskog, Ekman-Larsson for example. None of them could be accused of quitting on a play.

    I am not a fan of the way Karlsson is allowed to play (and aspects of his personality which is the result of his preferencial treatment). Nor am I a fan of Zzzz; I simply don’t like the way he plays the game. Lets do this again, lets count how many times he will be the first on the puck in the other teams end, how many times his linemates (he will be in the middle again aparently…because of his creativity) Conacher and Michalek are there, how many times he acturally sacrifices his body to make a play, how many checks he makes by alowing a player to beat him in the corner or along the wall. Lets see how far he is willing to carry the puck, beats an apponent, wins a one on one battler. And, lets count how many times he is on his rear end.

    I want this team to be better Mikey. I want to be entertained. I remember the excitement I felt before Murray and his team arrived; I haven’t felt it since! It is frustrating to read, listen and watch the media celebrate it all. I can’t believe a word anymore because they’re all on board. They only turn on a player or Coach, when it has been determined he is all but gone! The promotion of DaCosta was great. Zzzz and Michalek in OT is great. The Goals against is not an issue. The standings are to be ignored because the AGM says he likes where they are at and where they are going. Greening, according to the Coach and GM is playing great! The 3 year contract was a sound move. Everything is wonderful and the organization is deep in prospects (that’s why DaCosta was promoted, he is one of them…he is the one who is most NHL ready).

    So Mikey, lets watch tomorrow night and lets watch the games versus Tampa and Toronto this week. I suspect the team may win one of the three. It wont matter at all though…wait a few hours and another spin will be forthcoming to elevate our hopes…afterall, no one is even willing to talk about the 3 year rebuild and…the need to wait until 2016 for the team to win the Cup.

    Its all good Mikey!

  8. PaV says:

    Oh now TSN is questioning if the HABS are for real or not. They clearly point the finger a D and goaltending. Most of the comments who are HAB fans also mention that they lack size and skill. The scoring is gone and they cannot compete on a nightly basis.

    KEV – the Leafs have turned it around. The goal that Kessell scored on Sat night to tie it up and send it to OT was a beauty. Looks like they have found their scoring touch.

  9. Bobby Goodman says:

    Was’t the Fool one of the most committed fans in Ottawa who followed 1200 and Sun lead in hatred of all things MLSE? Now is the hater is a lover? He is sooooo excited about Hab’s fall from grace…I suspect it compensates for Ottawa’s bad play.`But where was the hatred before the playoffs last year (before he discovered some here enjoy watching a few Habs play)?

    I don’t want to burst his bubble and tell him that the small, soft, cowardly non-existent and slow Habs are 5 points ahead of the Sens.

    Are the Habs for real? It depends on your definition. In my world, it means the team is a slam dunk to make the post season and legitimately capable to go on (not surprise their opponents like what Dorion would like to see). So, based on what is happening we actually witness and what we don’t see (Coaching issues), I would have to say the Habs aren’t a lock. But, they are 5 points ahead of the Sens! It was written recently that the Sens have a 24% chance of making into the post season; I would suggest that is less than a lock…even a Fool would…should admit that.

    You would think that the Fool would be more concerned about Ottawa’s failure than he is with Montreal’s…but that isn’t the case.

    With his new found love of the Tronto Maple Leafs, you have to wonder who he will be pulling for later this week when they meet up? You also have to wonder why he didn’t object when his new best friend suggested Karlsson may not be the best Swedish defenceman in the League? Ouch that must have hurt!

    Indeed TSN should point a finger at a D…or Deez. Douglas Murray is one, Emelin is two and Bouillon is tree of da D!

    No one here ever suggested the Sens were lesser talented and no one here ever said they were smaller. Surely even a Fool knows Ottawa is bigger. However what some did say was “the diminutive Habs don’t shy away from corners, aren’t afraid to get hit, compete for loose pucks and often, in spite of giving up 30 pounds or more will win the one on one battles”. The Fool celebrated Cowen hitting Galagher – Gionta – Desharnais etc but failed to notice who came out with the puck more often than not.

    It is sad really, that a so-called fan can’t enjoy courage and great play from players of other teams but will
    celebrate terrible players on his favourite team. As I have often said, winning matters not. Just being with the players even if it in his dreams, is satisfying enough. “When can we go to the smoking lounge and see some of them again”????????

  10. KevinF says:

    Pierre thanks for context on the Lidstrom comment, saved me the research. Can’t say I’m surprised it was heavily promoted by main Barnacle Yorkie. Believe it was backslapping Jason who got the ball rolling on Sh*t happens Erik Being the best player in the world nonsense. If Nik believes Karlsson is best d in the NHL he sure hasnt been watching the games I have, especially since he returned from his injury,great offensively but horrible on the defensive end. Often clearly putting little effort into defending. A point machine for sure, I contend that there are many defenceman who could come close to his totals if they had the desire to play his all out offensive style and of course were allowed to have that carte Blanche from the organization he plays. However hockey is a team game and when one player is allowed to ad lib his game as much as Karlsson consistent success is unlikely.in my opinion.
    Pav the Leafs are getting points but it never seems easy I can only think of a handful of games that they dominated and won comfortably. It’s fun to watch the media wring there hands because the Leafs get outshot and win close games, mainly because of goaltending. When the Sens did basically the same thing last year they were celebrated as “pesky”. The Leafs according to most Toronto and national pundits are just plain lucky. Amazing how media coverage can effect perception. Guess the beat guys in Toronto don’t crave the feeling of being part of team the way some in others cities do.
    Going to be a wild race for the playoffs after the Olympics, stupid 3 point games skew everything.
    Bruce does the Sens new broadcast deal mean we will hear the end of Genos money bellyaching? Will he allow Murray to acquire some better players? Going to be tough to sell the poor mouth angle, with a large local deal coming on the heels of the gigantic Rogers package no?

  11. Mike8888 says:

    Bobby,
    Same old posts over and over again.

    I think the Sens will win tonight. They need the win badly.

  12. PaV says:

    Mike8888 – You can’t reason with an immature child :-) (i.e. Bobby).

  13. PaV says:

    “No one here ever suggested the Sens were lesser talented and no one here ever said they were smaller”

    The immature child seems have a very short memory. Must be because all his posts are the same and repeats himself over and over and over. This point was made many times when the SENS walked over the HABS last post season. Then came the ‘OH but the HABS were injured’ crap after we walked over them. Short memory. Not surprised that there is no accountability.

    Ole Ole Ole. Go back to your arm chair coaching and leave the blog here for people that actually want to have a discussion. :-)

  14. PaV says:

    Kev – isn’t that what you want? When the SENS went on their run a few weeks back (late Dec / Early Jan) each game was a struggle. One would think that they would learn from that and come out each and every game flying (but alas they haven’t learned). The Leafs went on a what? 5 game losing streak and now have picked up points in 6 of the last 8?

  15. Bobby Goodman says:

    Mikey, perhaps they are, but why don’t you respond to some of the items I bring up time and time again? Do you really think I simply select someone to “hate”. Do you think the team is in good shape and heading in the right direction? Did you support DaCosta’s 3 trip to the Bigs and this time around he got 7 more games and not a single point? Do you still think Pageau’s got a future wiht the team; does his 2pts, -5 in 21 games give you confidence and do you really think he could stop Couturier? Did you agree with ZZZ and Milan starting in OT; Zzz ever getting more PP time than Ryan, Turris. Do you think he is a playmaker. He has 9 assists (20 pts) in 42 games and is minus 11 while the diminutive couragous Conacher has 16 pts and plus 7!?

    Ah, but I am repetitive, as much as you are unwilling to respond to any of the issues I bring up for a discussion.

    As discussions go, I have seen a pattern for months now, has anyone noticed the stories in the sports section of the the Sun and the other paper are earily similar…alarmingly the same? While the local, national and international news varies, the sports are…on the same page!

    Today they both talked about Spezza…again. Niether paper will identify how his 35 points stack up with those who are celebrated on other teams and you have to wonder why? In spite of the many he’s played with who are not blessed with any talent, the Captain offered no exuses for his 35 points in 47 games. He said it was all on him but that isn’t exactly true is it. Consider the players who have graced him with their presence this year:

    - Derek Grant, 2 pts in 20 games and minus 3
    - Mark Stone, 2 pts in 7 games and minus 2
    - JG Pageau, 2 pts in 21 games and minus 5
    - Chris Neil, 7pts in 46 games and minus 9
    - Colin Greening, 10 pts in 52 games and minus 9
    - Eric Cndra, 11 pts in 46 games and plus 1
    - Zack Smith, 15 pts in 52 games and minus 3 (but I love this kid, he’s stuck with Neil and Greening)
    - Cory Conacher, 16 pts in 50 games and plus 7
    - Milan Michalek, 20 pts in 52 games and minus 22
    - Zzz, 20 points in 42 games and minus 11

    Why wouldn’t the collaborative effort by the media try to explain some of the reasons why Spezza is having an “off year”? Certainly Turris is the number one center but he also plays with two others and the 3 lead the team in scoring!!!!

    Why don’t they get together and ask why DaCosta? Why not join ranks and ask why Pageau, Grant et al. Why not team up and ask why Petersson (the guy who will be Spezza’s winger for the next 10 years) isn’t given more than a game? Why don’t they venture beyond the scriped message and ask why some don’t get the same privilege as others have had and get extended looks? Afterall, Butler got an entire season, Zzz, Silfverberg, Rund’sbad, Pageau, DaCosta (on 3 ocasions and the same for JGP) and so on!!!!

    Spezza is not liked and the media have a lot to do with it and you have to wonder why?

  16. Bobby Goodman says:

    Oh yes, Suckubban never hid from the media like the “best player in the NHL does. Yesterday PK Suckubban willingly addressed the media and politley responded to questions, hard and pointed questions. He called himself out for bad play. Yes he is only +3 now but that is 17 better than Karly who is now minus 14! Have we heard Karly do the same, certainly not and don’t hold your breath ’cause it wont happen.

    This is yet another silly stat that is ignored in this town by everyone in the media and again, you have to ask why. Does anyone remember when I first introduced the reality that there were many Defencemen in the league with better plus/minus; I believe it was 160 at the time. The trend that is ignored by the likes of Y3 and his band of back-lapping buddies (I like that too and did you know he played in the NHL) is that the number is getting worse. With his minus 14 there are now 270 defencemen in the NHL with better plus minus. That is a 110 worse than it was (the DAC and AGM must love it). It may be a foolish, silly, irevellant stat to some, but for others it speaks to his “liability” when he is on the ice. The fact is, as Kevin has brought up, Karly has consistently demonstrated an almost “defiant disregard for defence”. Not only is the term cute…it is accurate!

    This is another issue that you Mikey chooses to ignore. I should ask you, the otehrs and all the members of the media, at what point should the Coach or we fans be concerned…when there are 200 ahead of him?

    I find it funny that his -14 is not dissimilar to B4′s -16 and the points are similar as well but B4 gets a hell of a lot of criticism from the “experts” who are all to willing to point out his indifferent play! Yet, we never hear that about Karly…why? Letang, Doughty, Weber (who plays for an awful team), Subban and others could certainly have far more points than they currently do if they were allowed to be one dimensional ONLY but their coaches are far more interested in trying to win games than inventing a King. Karly is the defacto face of the franchise. Turning a blind eye to the flaws is by design. There is far too much invested in his promotion and that is why Y4 and his buddies ignored Karly when he was short and swore at the media (I’m not an effin God), when he wouldn’t take responsiblity for his play (shit happens) and when he avoided the media (because he got his nose out of joint but when coached later offered he needed a break).

    Could he be a better team player, absolutely, but he is given the green light to be a forward every shift and every game. He is allowed to be “light” all over the ice, particularly in his own end, to quit on a play, not make an effort and not even show up for games.

    If someone were to point out that B4 is now playing on the wing and his 40 pts are scewed because of it, I would respond by saying Karly has been playing forward all year (for years). He only lines up on the back!

  17. PaV says:

    YAWN
    Same posts, different day.
    Karys ‘I am not an effing god’ is no worse than Subaan throwing his jersey on the ice or being named of the NHL pain in the a$$ players. Wasn’t it Thornton said that Subaan was a coward on the ice?

  18. PaV says:

    …. just to add, if you factor in that Subaan was a +14 or +15 a few weeks ago and now is a +3, doesn’t that make him a -11/-12 player and falling fast? Yeah.. its called math Bobby, we can all do it.

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