Reaching for the farm

- December 12th, 2013

The Senators reached down to Binghamton today.
Jean-Gabriel Pageau was brought up along with defenceman Cody Ceci.
Both will play against the Buffalo Sabres. This will be Ceci’s NHL debut because Marc Methot is sick and Jared Cowen is suspended. Good for him. By all accounts, Ceci has played well in Binghamton and deserves the chance.
“Ceci has played very well over the course of time here,” said Ottawa GM Bryan Murray. “We just felt with Marc being sick here that it was an opportunity for Cody to get a game here and for us to have a look at him at the NHL.
“This will give him a little exposure and that’s good thing.”
Mike Hoffman was sent back to Binghamton Wednesday. You have to think this is it for him. He’s probably finished in the organization and won’t be called up unless there are major injuries.
Pageau was brought up because the club needs depth at centre and Murray wants coach Paul MacLean to start giving Mika Zibanejad more of a chance by playing him on the wing.
“I feel looking at Zibanejad, I personally, would like him to be on the wing on one of our top two lines,” said Murray. “He’s earned that right at this moment. When he plays there with (Jason) Spezza or (Kyle) Turris, it seems he can produce.”
Oddly enough Zibanejad is on the wing of Spezza’s line tonight against the Sabres. MacLean has been using him in a support role. Clearly management wants to see more than that.

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49 comments

  1. DAN THE MAN says:

    Methot sick again? Didn’t he miss a game or two last week due to flu-like symptoms? I could be wrong.

    I expect an easy win tonight. Score should be 5-1 or something like that.

  2. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Hooray for Cody! I just heard his mom on TSN1200 and she sounded thrilled! I’m very glad that someone at TSN1200 told Shawn SImpson not to hit on her like he did on that caller the other day that won a prize, that was embarrassing!

    Back to Cody though, I’m very glad to see him and I wish him tons of success tonight. A local boy, FINALLY, that has come through the 67s and the AHL and now here. Methot is local too and good for him, I like him but I’ve been itching to see Cody. It’s unfortunately too late for me to get to the game, but if he stays up I’ll see the next game for sure!

    Bruce, I was on another blog (I beg forgiveness but eyes wander!) and one of the posters almost echoed Bobby about our coach:
    The coach said the team wasn’t ready- Why? The coach said the team wasn’t motivated – Why? The coach said the team wasn’t giving a full effort – Why? Aren’t all these things his domain? He needs to get the players ready in practice. He needs to motivate them to play, a tedious job I’m sure with the NHL grind and he needs to hold them accountable if they do not give a full effort. Tonight’s game Is as much a “must-win” as any game in this young calender and can the team PLEASE win one in regulation? Giving an extra point to Toronto was bad enough but giving any points to the bottom-feeding Sabres is just inexcusable! The Senators were lucky about that delayed penalty preventing a goal on Lehner.

    I’m skeptical about Zib on the wing but we’ll see! Tonight’s win is imperative because boy oh boy the Kings and Blues coming up, can’t see the Senators winning a single one of those!

  3. OD99 says:

    Wow…Ceci up?! I am shocked by that.

    We needed a center if Zibby was to be a winger so OK but I thought if they wanted a puck mover they would bring up Wideman…wont’ hurt if only for a game or two anyway but still surprised.

    Need a win tonight to keep some life in the thought of being in the play-off hunt. We have Kings and Blues up next so very tough challenges.

  4. ChokerHater says:

    Good for Ceci
    but he’s no panacea
    He’ll be a good player in his time but this is not his time.
    Ottawa is making Buffalo look good, and they are not good at all.
    If you can’t beat the worst, when the schedule gets tough it could get really ugly.
    Almost time to throw in the towel and trade all “the bad guys”

  5. OD99 says:

    Ceci looked fantastic tonight – if he keeps up his improvement he is going to be a beauty for us.

    The boys won but can’t say much more than that…Karlsson was giving the puck away (as were many others) and Bobby Ryan had less time on the ice than Neil…I think Smith led the forwards in ice time. Strange.

    Good thing Andy was on his game or we could have had 1 of 4 points against easily the worst team in the league…funny how for so long all games against Buffalo are so close.

    The Kings have been on Eastern time for a while now but hopefully the 2PM game time still messes with them…we know the Sens never play well during these stupid time slots.

    Team on life support but pulse is strengthening a little…some teams have a game in hand but as of this moment no teams are between Sens and the 2nd wildcard spot and now down to 3 points behind for that.

  6. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pierre, you are skeptical about Zzzzzz? I am not skeptical, the kidHe is kid is God awful. Spezza and Mcarthur were playing a man short. He continues to get icetime with the best, PP time and he can’t make a play happen. He wont go into a corner. He can’t win any battles, he can’t maintian possession, He shoots from far out or dumps the puck in, effecively giving the puck to the opposition. He is useless. I think that even a fool has to admit that Ziban is bad. He was embarrassingly bad.

    Ceci looked great; what a breath of fresh air. He went into the corners even when Enis was on the ice! He didn’t allow Enis beat him off the puck, he didn’t concede every corner. Cody has size, skill, and speed…a wonderful combination. The only thing lacking was confidence and it looks like he now has it in spades. Will he, like Boro, be sent down as soon as Methot is healthy?

    Is everyone satisfied with the way Karly played tonight? He has no shame.

    Dumb and dumber named 3 Sens stars of the game. Ottawa was out shot, outplayed, needed Anderson to win, gave the puck way far more than Buffalo the worst team in the league and won by a single goal…but no Sabre was worthy of a star. Enis was perhaps the best skater on the ice!

  7. Bobby Goodman says:

    Dave, I was surprised too, but pleasantly surprised with Ceci’s call up. Richardson has done wonders with him. I noticed a huge difference in his confidence of course but he has added a physical element which was missing.

    Here is another kid who is not good enough by Hokey Canada’s standards to represent his country in international competition and at 19 he is a star in the AHL! Hokey Canada are so smart, their Juniors haven’t won Gold in 4 years, didn’t win a medal at all last year and have fallen in world rankings? Tofoli never got an invite and he was Rookie of the Year in the AHL last year, his first out of Junior. He only led the OHL in scoring. The OHL leader this year never got an invite. Darnel Nurse, the 6-4, hard hitting, fabulous skating defencemen who leads all D in the OHL in scroring, didn’t either.

    It kind of makes you wonder. The London Knights are one of the Country’s best year after year. They have a different model, they select the most talented players available to them. The Organization has a record that no other Junior team in the Country even comes close to. Many kids who played for the Knights have graduated to the NHL and become stars! Their Coach isn’t good enough for Hokey Canada!!!

    Bob Nicholson and his clique are so smrt, no one but their inner circle understands their logic. No other Country leaves the most talented off their team. I for one, would love to see Canada select the very best (Junior/Professional). Based on Mr. Happy’s logic, he would have dismissed himself from this years Olympic team when he was scoring 65 goals a year in the best league in the world. Its all so very silly.

    Turco is fun to watch and listen to. Does anyone remember his non-verbal poke at Pierre McGuire during a game when he didn’t dress for a game. Turco (and others in the media) have had some fun at Lord Burke’s expense. The brilliant Burke dismissed Calagry’s GM, Feaster and even a dumbass like me made the call the day Lord Burke was hired! His act is wearing thin and he loses credibility every day. He is out of the province so the media in Toronto are not afraid to comment. He might as well have lip synched to his infamous “truculent” speach of a few years ago when he addressed the media the other day. Accroding to him, he was brought in to bring oversight (all processes, expenditures, operations, personnel and players). Certainly, the organization is guranteed to succeed!!!! The jerk loves the spotlight and is so egotestical he’s not even aware people are laughing at him.

  8. PaV says:

    Habs lost again. Suckbaan played brutal. Ole ole ole

    VIS/Kev what is your take on the leafs current slide? They missing Phaneuf? The goaltending has cooled down, but to be fair LA and the Blues are power houses. The Sens are in tough tmw and Monday.

  9. ChokerHater says:

    Ceci looked good, real good, so now I can just see Murray’s eye light up thinking he can now trade away another “bad guy” for a fix up front.
    The Sens won, big deal, keep in mind the barely beat the second worst team in the league, and lost to them in the previous game.
    Before some of you guys start doing back flips over how good your team is may I suggest you wait till they play a few real hockey teams starting with the upcoming LA Kings match. That’ll be a fun one to watch

  10. Mike8888 says:

    I agree Bruce. I think that was Hoffman’s last chance with Ottawa as well. He didn’t show anything.

  11. OD99 says:

    Thank God Alfie isn’t on the team anymore…the guys at the Sun were able to say that ALL the Senators and management visited with kids at CHEO today.

    Truth revealed – good for you guys to finally have the courage to state what is really going on and not keep us sheep believing only Alfie ever did anything (as much as he didn’t want to) for the kids. I didn’t see the full glossy on Spezza though? Why is that? Why are you so against letting us know what an incredible leader and overall character person he is?

    Looks like Zibanejad is now on the 3rd line – good, only one more line left for him to sink to before they ship him back to Bingo for some seasoning – if they will have the courage to do that and accept he is a total failure. We will see but I won’t count on it.

    Karlsson wasn’t playing for entire PP’s last night which was refreshing but he was on at the end of the game when we were killing a penalty which is ludicrous, MacLean clearly is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. Hopefully Methot is back for tomorrow’s game because the Kings are going to come in and bang bodies and we need some players with heart and determination to keep up.

    Good to see Z. Smith score again, he may just make it to 10 goals this season since he is playing with such confidence although now he will have Zibby on his line so can’t expect much the next few games I guess.

  12. FKevin says:

    Pav I don’t think the goaltending has cooled all that much. The main problem in my opinion is the defence is awful. Phaneuf has been very good and minimized his boneheaded mistakes but by taking a deserved suspension he returns to dumb destructive decisions. Gunner is adequate but nothing more. Franson has all kinds of tools, but needs to play physical, he’s huge and needs to play that way. Gardiner and Reilly just need to play they have been playin well and they could not possibly be worse than Ranger and Fraser. The ranger experiment has failed in my estimation and Fraser though a nice story and good person is not a NHL defenceman. A reliable top 4 stay at home type must be the priority if not now over the summer. If the forwards don’t help out enough, that’s on the coach. They have returned to being a very fragile team mentally which is also on the coach, last year it appeared to be solved but is now returned and it’s Carlyles responsibility.
    Clarkson will likely be suspended again today, again deservedly, and his frustration with his poor play mounts, still very early to make rash judgements however, he was signed to make a difference in the playoffs when the traffic gets heavy and the feint of heart disappear, now it’s going to a dogfight just to qualify the last month suggests they are in deep do do. I can only shake my head at the Clarkson, “Gris” comparison, while I understand they were both free agents that’s where the comparison ends, they don’t even play the same position! Mac was never going to get the kind of ice time he is getting now, he was and still would be no better than the third LW ehind JVR and Lupul, if you think he s better than either of those guys God bless you, we disagree . Mac would have been ok asinsurance for the fragile Lupul but given salary and lack of faith from the Leaf coaching staff clearly he was done in TO. Raymond has filled the utility role nicely at 1 mil. Clarkson plays RW and after Kessel the Leafs are very thin on that side, which was why they were willing to overpay for the consensus best RW available, a disappointment so far to be sure, but as with Kessel snap judgements can come back and bite you.
    I get the plan the parade tease, we hear it every time the Leafs win two in a row, for as long as I can remember, but Pierre was exactly right myself and every Leaf fan I know we’re guardedly optimistic going into this year, and now are shaken but most I know still believe the listing ship can be righted. By the way it’s great to have Sens fans, like Pierre and Dan and others, who are reasonable and don’t take everything as life or death the way the cadre of redass fellas here do.

  13. FKevin says:

    By the way if your watching today’s game live? or on TV, take a gander at # 8 for the Kings. Now that’s how a young defenceman should play. Doughty is head and shoulders above any under 25 defenceman in the game. What a terrific all around player, while he may not compile points the way Karlsson and Subban do, he is much more physical and controlled than either, competes fiercely all over the ice and fears no one. With the young goalie he was responsible for handing the Leafs a loss in a game that they desrved a better fate, he was also dominate against the Habs.Truly a franchise player the type of building block that dynasty’s are built on. Thank goodness he wears the Maple Leaf too bad it isn’t the blue variety as well.

  14. Bobby Goodman says:

    But of course all the Sens visited with the kids Dave (it was a command performance!), but if you asked hockey fans in Ottawa who did more for the community, overwhelmingly they would say Alfedsson (I suspect you know that). He didn’t of course but the Star Making Machinery were creative and dilligent. With over 20 players on the team, whose photo is on full display with a child today in the Sun…Zibanisbad of course! Shaping public opinion has gone on since recorded history. I think Hitler said it best, when he offered leaders are thankful most men (people) are ignorant. Hell, every year history is re-written, bad presidents become Gods and scoundrels become saints. I would ask you, what charity does Spezza, Smith, Condra, Lehner, Anderson or anyone of the other Senators support?

    Zibanisbad is on the 3rd line? Damn, it must have broken the DACs heart! What confuses me (and I am easily confused) is the DAC’s relentless pursuit to make Zzzzz a successful hockey player. Here is a kid who NEVER was a goal scorer. From the time he first arrived, he got all the time in the world on the ice. He saw a lot of PP time (and still does). He has played with the teams best and dances around the lineup like the other 12 forwards! Why? The DAC played in the NHL and he scored goals! He had to work for them! The success he enjoyed was due to his work ethic. He showed up every night and he wanted the puck and wasn’t going to allow someone beat him to it. If, that is remotely acurate, why does he fogive Zzzz and Karly for casual, soft, perimeter play? I don’t get it.

    There are multiple ways to shape public opinion; we all know the overt, very public and shameless promotion but avoiding reality and hiding facts is a major part of the overall plan.

    We all know if the media (all forms) aren’t referencing a certain player(s) it is because they stunk. What have we heard or read about Karlsson recently? What about Zzzzz. Lets look at the the Karlsson – Doughty match-up today (there really is not matchp just like there Zzzz and Couturier are not a matchu).

    In 32 games Doughty has registered 16 points to Karly’s 29. Doughty is plus 7 and Karly is minus 7. While Doughty is projected to score 15 goals with 26 assists for 41 points and + 18, Karly is projected to finish the year with 20 goals, 52 assists for 72 points and minus 17! If one should examine the numbers more closely they would discover even more. Karly has registered 13 of his 29 points on the PP. So his -7 is against the 16 points 5 on 5! Doughty has 7 PP pts. He is plus 7 with his 9 points 5 on 5!

    Only 2 players in a Sens uni don’t make an effort and it is entirley OK! Not a single word is published when they are awful but the media have a parade when they scrore a goal. Hell, Karly can be responsible for 2 of 3 goals scored against with minus 2 but score a goal and he’s made a Star.

    Leaders (NHL Management) are fortunate most men (fans) are ignorant.

  15. ChokerHater says:

    Look at that PaV go, typical Ottawa semi-fan. As soon as things go bad for his team instead of cheering for his team, he starts cheering against other teams. Suckbaan ! ! ! what a silly child. Subban is better than anyone on the Ottawa Chickenhens, he makes mistakes but he is young, and it seems his team is doing just a touch better than Ottawa’s team. Anyway I see it all the time, Ottawa is falling apart so we’ll attack other teams, must make you feel better, but also makes you look like a child.

  16. PaV says:

    Well at least we managed to score. Unlike Suckbaan and the rest of the Hasbins. Ole ole ole.

    Horrible game. Sens should be ashamed.

  17. ChokerHater says:

    It’s like goalie GroundHog day
    5 shots 3 goals….YANK

  18. Bobby Goodman says:

    I heard on the radio the DAC saying his team “didn’t play hard enough” and the Kings “showed them how to play hard the entire game”. I have some issues with those statements. The obvious one is why…why after 30 games and out of the play-off picture, can’t he get his team to play hard enough? He isn’t a tactition by any stretch of the imagination, he is supposed to be a “players coach” and his charges are supposed to be willing to go through the wall for him. But, aparently, they don’t. That is the danger of a one-trick pony coach. If the one trick doesn’t work you are SOL. Again last night, the DAC played 52 card pick-up with the line combinations, a clear sign of someone who is lost, confused and entirely desperate! Perhaps some don’t belong??!!

    The other issue I have is this, I saw a bunch who did play hard but I saw a some who did not. No one wants to explore deeper who Methot was referring to when earlier this year he said “there is always, one, two or three who don’t buy in (no work hard enough)”. Why? I can’t even get some to even speculate who they are! If a player with the work ethic of Methot is willing to make a statement like that, it must have some merit and if that acurate, WHO THE HELL ARE THE ONES WHO DON’T SHOE UP???? It sure looks like the DAC doesn’t have an issue with lazy, non-committed players.

    I saw two players who were lazy; two players who are the usual suspect game in and game out. Two players who don’t really give a damn, Zibansibad and Karlsson simply do not help the team win games./ Karlsson is blessed with world class talent but suffers from pasdecoeur! He but keep telling us fans that he is leading all D in scoring (what could others do if they were told rome about and ignore defence all to gether). Doughty was plus 3 last night, he hit people and isn’t getting tiresome that the Sens are the only who are on the recieving end of bad hits, non calls game in and game out? Neil could get called for something dirty and stupid ever shift, evry game (hey, but he is a great guy thoug). We say Doughty do something you never see from Karly; yes he took the puck the full length of the ice but he cut hard in front of the net and it led to a goal. All Karly had to do was stand in the way but he, like Frank Costanza, stopped short. He stopped hard, short and only reached and that is how bad Karly wants to win. He goes hard when he sees open ice but that is all.

    As for Zibanisbad “the Shooter” he was horrible yet again. It is funny to hear Dumb and Dummer try so desperately hard to pay him a compliment. He makes the only pass he can on one play (and it was a good pass) and Potsie says “we are going to a lot more of him the rest of the game”. Really Potsie? Zzzz logged 14:41 overall with 3.5 min of PP time but the best he could muster was a single shot and minus 2. He useless. He can’t even skate! He and Karly don’t like the corners, physical contact of any kind what will they do Monday night?

  19. Bobby Goodman says:

    I must add this.

    The game is a simply one 1) have puck shoot score; 2) don’t have puck go get puck and repeat #1. It is a simply premise but the exution can be difficult. The Sens work so hard to gain possession, I wonder why are so willing to give it up!

    Early in the game, Spezza wins a draw and Philips get it, he wheels around the net head out on a rush, once he passes the center line, he throws the puck in with no one anywhere near to retrieve it. The Kings gain possesssion head up the ice and scores. Why didn’t Philips skate the puck in? I have witnessed the Sens all too willing to give the opposition the puck when they should protect it with all there might! Shots go way wide the end up outside the blue line, Players like Zzzz simply cought it up because they don’t want it. Many passes miss the mark and giving the opposition possession. Draws are won but some watch while the other teams gets it. Some draws are lost and again, some just watch.

    Watch on Monday how may times the Senators simply give the puck away (for the reasons I metioned). If possession is important (and it is) why not make a point of doing everything you can to maintain it!!!!!

  20. DAN THE MAN says:

    I was not overly impressed with the Kings. I thought we played rather well albeit we sure hand the puck over to the other team alot. Our goaltending was rather poor to say the least. I was never an Anderson fan and I am beginning to think we were fooled into thinking he is a bona fide number 1 goalie who will give you consistant good goaltending each and every year. Every goalie in the NHL can have hot streaks, even hot years as Elliot has shown. I can now see why Colorado didn’t lose any sleep giving us Anderson for Elliot. I really think it is time to annoint Lehner as our number one goalie and try to trade Anderson now before his value goes down any lower.

  21. Mike8888 says:

    I thought they played well on Saturday, but when you get down 3-0 against a team like that due to shoddy goaltending, well, what are the odds of coming back?

  22. Bobby Goodman says:

    Dan the Man….ya think!!!!

    I wonder how the Organization can possibly expect the players should make ever effort to play their best but they are forgiven for not playing the best? Why do they continue to allow some to float around? Why was Boro sent down when he was making a tangible contribution? Why, after only 3 games, was the leading scorer in Bingo and the 2nd leading scorer in the AHL sent down. He didn’t get all the opportunities Zzzzz got and continues to get (who knows, maybe the Hoff could be Spezza’s right winger for the next ten years). After 3 games, the Hoff had 3 hits, 3 take aways, and won the only face off he took. But, as I suggested from the get go, he came here knowing full well he wasn’t going to get a long term opportunity. Knowing you will be sent down will always hurt your performance and by the same token, knowing you will be around for 10 games or so regardless, allows someone to play their best. He never got that luxury.

    Spezza has averaged around 25 goals in the NHL for his career; he is on pace to do that and perhaps supass it so for somene to “call out” the Captain and demand more goals at this point is really and truly very silly. Lets not demand more from Karly or Zzzz, Michalek, Greening, Neil (but he is a great guy….news flash, most of them are!!!!!!!!!!), Condra and others. Lets demand more from the Captain even though he is quietly having another very good year. People would know that if he played somewhere else.

    Spezza has 28 points and stis 3rd on one of the worst teams. He plays with everybody and often with some who are ham and eggers at best! HE is the quarterback on the PP, plays a regulars shift and an effective PK guy, But hell, lets not talk about that, lets talk about his goal scoring drought this time…K?

    Spezza has a FO% of over 57% (Bergeron leads with 60%) and 6th in the league for FOW! This is really very impressive when you consider he is 9th in the number of FOT! But why share that with the readers!

    The Captain is 18th in the league among Centermen in Tka, ahead of celebrated C such as: Giroux, Fipulla, Benn, Malkin and others. His 28 points has him 18th in the league ahead of Staal, Benn, Krejki, Kesler. Datsuyk and others who are celebrated. He is 19th in Assists tied with Giroux and ahead of Malkin, Seguin, Steen, Datsyuk and others. Jason Spezza is 20th among Centermen with 10 goals. That leaves him tied with Kadri. The Captain’s 10g puts him ahead of Malkin, Sedin, Staal, Franzen and Bergeron (and certainly other celebrated Centers). I have to ask, does anyone here believe Sedin, Malkin, Seguin, Bergeron, Krejki, Datsyuk, Staal, Benn and others get the criticism that Spezza does here in Ottawa?

    Spezza’s numbers where even more impressive 2 years ago when he was 4th in the league in scoring but who would really know, no one wanted to write about it! His numbers would be much better if all he did was focus on points, but he doesn’t.

    More goals?

  23. Neil Harris says:

    What’s with all the Subban hate? Is there a back story here. I’m a Sens fan but no objective hockey fan would try and argue that Karlsson is better than Subban. There is no comparison, Subban and Doughty are the best young D-men in the game — by far — head and shoulders above #65.

  24. ChokerHater says:

    @DAN THE MAN
    He was your bread and butter last year, he won games you had no business even being in, so to say you were never sold on him is crazy. I honestly don’t think he is completely healed, upstairs I mean. Also, the Kings let off the gas a bit after gutting up on Ottawa so quick. It’s a very common reaction when your on a long road trip.
    Tonight doesn’t get any easier, I would be counting two points just yet.
    See Bishop is having himself quite a year, funny eh!

  25. PaV says:

    Neil Harris – I have to disagree – I do not think that Subaan is the best or one of the best D-Men in the league. I think he is good, but not great. I do agree with you that Doughty is one of the best. There is no hate for him, I am just doing what the haters on here do, is come on here, make immature nicknames of the players that they like.

    The Habs lost yet again. Ole Ole Ole.

    Kev, thanks for the breakdown on your thoughts. The Leafs took the Stanley Cup champs to task on Saturday. Good for them.

  26. Bobby Goodman says:

    Neil, don’t search for logic from the Fool here.

    He is a very loyal lemming who doesn’t understand the game and he is so willing to let everyone know! His name calling is….juvenile….and……totally lacks creativity. The notion that Suckubban is the reigning Norris Trophy winner matters not. He is not a Senator and…I, we like him therefor the Hate. It is a common formula for fans like him: NS + lUWL = H(1m) – Not a Sen plus I, You, We Like translates into a lot of Hate!!! Suckubban doesn’t lead the league in the number of Give Aways, he’s not afraid to go where there is traffic. He goes into the corners, will goe in first and come out with the puck. He can win one on one battles. He doesn’t invite the opposition to live in front of his goalie, He delivers thunderous body checks. He can take the puck from coast to coast not relying entirely on his speed (which for one D, suddenly fails him when there is a threat of contact). He doesn’t have 220+ defencemen in the league with better plus/minus. He is 4th in scoring among D. He cares if the team wins and he makes an effort every shift every game.

    Most here a Sens fans and fans of the game, the Fool is a Sens fan only.

    I don’t think the Sens “played well” on Saturday! Their is a reason they lost the game 5 – 2. They had twice as many give aways as LA (and a gazillion more turnovers). One center wasn’t even 40% at the circle and two others were just over 40%. Only Spezza was above water with 52% (after a horrendous 1st perions at 30%). LA players were collectively minus 5 and Ottawa minus 17. Karly led the D with 5 shots fired from Dunrobin. Spezza playing with a pylon (Zzzz) and many others had 9 shots. The D was bad, period. The team couldn’t/wouldn’t keep posession of the puck. Tonight will be Pageau’s 3 game with the Sens, the same number as Hoffman, will he play a 4th? He has done diddly squat! I say he most definiely will (I love his heart and passion but…).

    If the team played well, who were the players that impressed: Neil, Greening, Pageau, Zzzz, Karly, Ceci, Philips, Turris, Anderson, Lehner, Michalek?????? What about the Coaching, what did the DAC and DAACs do that worked? I don’t think the Team played well but some played better than others which happens every game. Unfortunately what also happens every game is some don’t even try. Conacher goes unnoticed by Dumb and Dummer and he works like the devil every game! He has 3 assists in the last 3 games but who would know? The guy is 5′, 7″ but it doesn’t stop him from busting his ass in his relentless pursuit of the puck. Can you imagine if was as big as Zzzz? I would offer “can you imagine what Zzzz would do if he had the heart and courge of Conacher but the reality is, he cant skate very well and it wouldn’t matter.

    Zzzzz and Karly will be themselves tonight. Zzzzz will go shifts where he doesn’t touch the puck at all and Karly will stand around in his own end handing out free passes.

  27. PaV says:

    Neil Harris – See guys like Bobby know nothing about the game. They know how to use two fingers and type in a stat request on NHL Stats or TSN. That is all they do. They sit around all day and think they know more than everyone else. The point is proven by him calling me a ‘fool’ but if he looks at his posts and well himself, the fool will look right back at him.

    We (true fans) support the team. We (true fans) know that we are not very good now, and well haven’t been all season. But we do not come on here and trash our team (See posts from VIS, OD, Mike8888). We come on here and hope for the best.

    The haters on here come on here and bash our team. They come on here to make fun, to think they know better and think that calling players names (DAC, Karly, Dumb and Dumber) is witty and funny, which by all accounts its immature and uneducated (i.e. Shaw Ville Farmer etc)

    Calling Subaan Suckbaan is immature. I admit it, but its easy to get a rise out of the haters on here who are clearly Hab fans.

    The Habs, who are higher in the standings, are not doing that much better of late. Either are the Leafs, but at least Kev is a educated fan.

    The thing is, as a fan (who apparently does not understand the game) I will not bash my team. They win – great. They lose – you vent and move on.

    But the compulsive nature of some of the posters (well two of them) on here is crazy and apparently they walk to the beat of their own one handed drummer!

  28. PaV says:

    OH! should have added in that we are in tough vs the Blues – lets hope that our goalie makes a save or two!!

  29. OD99 says:

    Saying PK and Doughty are head and shoulders better than Karlsson is huge stretch.

    He isn’t as big or physical as they are but he did plenty to earn his Norris (BTW Bobby…so Pav is supposed to reference PK’s Norris and call him good? You still scoff at Karlsson – every day – and has that piece of hardware too).

    Karlsson is unique as far as D-men go and while he certainly gets himself in trouble at times he is and will be in the running for the Norris for many more years.

    Senators looked great in the first period but as usual couldn’t bury their chances to pull away and as such they came crashing back down to earth in the second, got dominated and pinned in their own end, and eventually gave up two late goals. Karlsson and a forward both just stood beside Stewart on the 2nd goal.

    Let’s see if they can find some fight again and come out with a big third…a point or two against the Blues would be pretty big at this stage.

    The guys on the radio were touching on something Kevin said what seemed like a while ago. Hits (and all subjective stats) vary building to building and some places are known as easy places to collect hits – they mentioned the Islanders rink but also mentioned how two physical teams like the Blues and Kings are ranked way down in hits while the Leafs and Senators are 1 and 3 in hits…because they are always chasing the puck – very true.

  30. OD99 says:

    Nice comeback! Good on Ceci

  31. PaV says:

    Mike8888 we beat one of the best teams in the NHL. Cue the hater rant.

    Great game. There were some points that we didn’t look good at all…. Bug a big two points.

  32. Mike8888 says:

    It was a very entertaining game last night. The Sen’s were solid, except for the last 3 minutes of the second period. I thought Karlsson played his best game of the year. He was really showing his speed and looked very confident.Ceci is looking better and better every game. Richardson is doing a fine job on the farm and may just be the Sen’s future coach.

  33. Bobby Goodman says:

    You have to like the way Ceci played last night; The 19 year old carried the puck, made sharp passes, managed 3 shots of goal one the game winner and was plus , in 21 minutes of icetime. The kid has the tools and the sky is the limit.

    Ryan was fabulous; he is gifted of course but he is also very smart and rarely makes a stupid play. Karly played with more intensity than what I have seen from him in his entire career, it is too bad it lasted for 20 minutes only. The rest of the game he returned to his usual self. He delivered many passes that missed the mark, he often threw the puck away, he was creditted with 2 Gva and I counted 6 with 2 on one shift (Potsie even noticed them). Karly offered a free pass to pucks in the corner and a free pass to the net. Again, he stood still and watched on Stewart’s second goal.

    The Sens needed the win I guess, if they want to make the playoffs but I would rather they didn’t (but I guess it doesn’t matter because their 1st round draft is lost). Before everyone gets too excited about the win they need to consider the Blues played with a few key pieces missing. Sobotka is a couragous dynamo who is a misile out there; the Blues missed his physicality, 15 pts and plus 7. Jaden Schwartz didn’t dress either and he is plus13 with 22 points. Their Captain was lost after 11 minutes. He missed 2/3 of the game. He has 30 points this year and plus 11. In the brief time he did play he registered 7 legitimate hits.

    Before last night’s game, I asked that you watch for all the give aways/turn overs the Sens commit. last night was not different. In Gva alone, the Sens had 17 to St Louis’ 6. They also turned the puck over many times.

    Conacher must be asking what he has doe wrong. He has only 8 points in 34 games but he has been much better recently and he hasn’t hurt the team (+ 4). Zibanisbad, again, was awful. Yes he got a single point, but it required nothing on his part but to move the puck 35 feet to the left winger. He didn’t do a single thing in his 19 minutes of icetime nor did he do anything in hs 2.5 minutes with the man advantage. He managed a single shot on net! Why he gets so many opportunites is beyond me. Those responsible for the stats here in Ottawa creditted him with 4 hits…really? With the assist last night Zzzz has reduced his +/- to minus 8. He is embarrassingly bad. I almost choked when On-the-Brown complimented his “powerful skating” and ability to “skate around or through people”. The kid has trouble staying on his feet!!!!

    Spezza didn’t have a good game. He was 47% in the circle, mustered 4 shots but gave others opportunities to score (Zzzz) but they couldn’t finish. He was minus 2 and has to take some responsibility but one goal was scored when two of the Sen’s D were way out of position and the other when Karly was standing still and watching. Mac wasn’t good either with 4 give aways. They did have to suffer Z on the line (and many others!).

    Lehner…great!

  34. ChokerHater says:

    Funny to read how Murray wants to stay, Eugene wants him to stay, but he won’t sign him to a new contract. Sound to the fans that he’s lowballing his GM. Kind of like what he did to Alfie, maybe Murray can hook up with Alfie in Detroit at the end of the year hehe.
    And for Eugene to say he wants Murray to stay on and win the Stanley Cup is priceless. He hasn’t won one in 37 years in the league, what kind of fool would think he is going to in the next 37 years.

    PaV, your name calling is too much, and calling people juvenile or immature! ! ! . Take a look in the mirror

  35. PaV says:

    Neil Harris – Just as a side note, PK has 1 pt in his last 7 games but currently sitting at a +8 with 25 pts. The =/- stat can be argued that it doesn’t mean much – I have heard both arguments and still on the fence. Karlsson is currently sitting with 31 points but has a -6 rating. How do you measure who is the better player? Do you measure by the +/- rating? Is Karlsson having a good year? Meh. Is he playing well? Not really, but his production is higher than the ‘much better’ Subaan. PK sits first on his team with points. Bobby Ryan sits with one more point than Karlsson. Is PK a more complete player? If you measure his +/- then yes, but if you measure his points production he is the ‘best’ on his team, but I do not think he is any better than Karlsson as I do not think Karlsson is any better than Subaan because he has 6 more points than he does. I think Karlsson can be a liability. I also think that Subaan acts tough on the ice, but when confronted with any sort of major physical hits he rather fight Kyle Turris. Karlsson will never drop the gloves. He is not that type of player. He went for a huge hit last night and missed. It was comical and shocking at the same time.

    But who would I rather have on my team? Karlsson hands down. He can take the puck from one end to the other and make it back with very little effort. I do think his play has been hindered by his injury last year by Cooke – Subaan sat out the first four (4) games of the condensed season last year because he wanted more money. The Habs organization must have not had faith in him or they would have put a 6-7 year deal on the table. I think he will get that now because he has grown up and has played to his potential.

    The Habs are lacking scoring right now (check out TSN). They are not playing very well of late and seem to have lost their way. Are they any better than Ottawa at this point? The standings show they are. Losing three of their last four is tough – but we do not come on here and bash, and make silly immature nicknames for them.

    The guys on here that know hockey and support this blog with positive comments and feedback (Mike8888, VIS, OD, Dan etc.) they are guys who know hockey and know how to support a team.

  36. PaV says:

    Mike8888 / OD – great points. See the issue is that unlike the two persons on here who want to make fun and trash our team, you both always make valid points. The Habs were on pace to lose again last night but managed to come back and take a 3-1 win over PHX, which is good for them. I heard an interesting take of the Habs that the fact that they are so small is going to be an issue down the stretch, especially after the Olympic break. The saving grace for the team isn’t Subaan but Price.

    Kev – man oh man what is going on in Leaf nation? They lost to the Panthers last night and its not looking good thus far. I watched the first installment of 24/7 yesterday and really liked how HBO tied in the history of both clubs. Detroit hasn’t been doing well of late either. They have dropped their last 6 games.

    The SENS should be able to take the Devils tonight, but man oh man, asking them to win two games in a row is asking a lot. I do not think there will be any lineup changes. Lenher needs to start. The team needs to come out they way they did vs. the Blues. The giveaways need to stop. Spez needs to pick it up and Cowen needs to be that physical presence but not a liability.

  37. Bobby Goodman says:

    NJ has won Stanley Cups but have played a boring brand fo hockey for many years and it continues. They had some outstanding players but the team was blessed with a phenominal goalie. IMO their GM, Lamorillo, who has risen to “legendary” status, is hugely over rated.

    This years version of the Devils has a very slow, old but skilled 41 year old leading the team in scoring. He is unbelievably fit, but moves at a snail’s pace. It can’t be a good thing to have a old man lead your team. He’s not the only older guy there, the Devils have a few: Elias (37), Zubrus (35), Zidlicky (36). They are team leaders in scoring. They are fllowed by: Green (33) and Ryder (31).

    I suspect the GM wants more from Henrique this year (he has the skills). Young Boucher beat Stamkos’ scoring record in Sarnie but the gem has to be the local kid Gelinas. The 6′, 4′, 19 year old blueliner from Vanier has a bomb and is a keeper.

    I was really disappointing to read/hear that Eugene wants to keep the status quo at the managment level in Ottawa. I am not surprised at all of course but I has hoping for a clean slate. Whereas other GMs and AGMs are highly sought after, there is little to no interest for those in the Senator’s organization. Timmy may be granted an interview for the vacant position with Buffalo but I liken it to the many interviews granted Pierre Mcguire, a courtesy only. Of the many Coaches and A/Coaches Murray hired/fired, who became a head coach for another NHL team?

    All maybe great people, but not necessarily good coaches. Maclean, from what I can see, is not in charge of the team or the game. Nor are is DAACs. Can anyone explain why Bobby Ryan logged 12, 14.5 minutes of icetime before logging 19 minutes against St Louis. It is my contention, it wasn’t by design! Why in the world would anyone start a PP with Ryan on the bench but Zzzz on the wing????? Really and truly, does that make any sense what so ever? It happened against the Blues! We can read what the lines may look like on paper but we also know it will be all over the map with no real logical explanation for the various configurations when the game is being played!

    Tonight shouldn’t be a hard hitting affair, NJD is the least penalized team in the league. This should be a game to start doing somethings differently and better. I have always prefered coming out of your end with speed and together. I like relatively short/brisk passes (we used to call it give and go, not mail and watch). I think a dump in is effective when it can be retrieved other wise it is simply a turn over. Sometimes it has to be done to change a line but I blieve one player should follow it in to apply pressure! The PP needs to migrate away from the single minded formula of a bomb from the point or the left side; it is soooo predictable. The team needs some rotation and again use brisk short passes. Never should there be an offside on a PP.

    And, cut down on the turn overs.

  38. Bobby Goodman says:

    I pity the poor Fool. The fact that Suckuban hasn’t registered a point in the last 7 games is a testimony to how good he was playing (but that was bad too!). The Habs has been in a slump. Yet, as bad as he and the small, cowardly, slow and iligitimate Habs have been playing, Suckuban is still 3rd among D in scoring and on the plus side of the ledger.

    The plus minus isn’t the only measurement, it never was and never will be. You have to look at several things. Points are phenominal but they mean little if the one earning the points is on the ice and often responsible for many (more) goals scored against! It is a simple concept for most but impossible for one.

    I have asked often, what defines a defenceman. To me, and only me, it is a player who defends first! If one’s only focus is offence, IMO he is not a defenceman. If one is always with the forwards, he is not a defenceman. If one is caught up the ice many times, every game, he is not a defenceman. If one wont go into a corner even with some as tiny as Eeenis, he is not a defenceman. If one is not good skating backwards, he is not a defenceman. If one can’t and wont hit, IMO he is not a defenceman. If a player doesn’t care, he isn’t someone I want on my team nor is a player who quits on a play. If, as some here have finally conceded, a “defenceman” is willing to stand and watch as the other teams score, I don’t want that player on my team. If a “Dman” leads the entire league in Give Aways with 220 defenceman ahead of him in +/-, I don’t want him on my team. All put together…translates into a player who doesn’t help the team win hockey games consistently. BTW: when Letang joined the league he was 6′ and light but we have all seen the discipline and workout regimen he put (puts) himself through to get bigger and stronger! Hell, even Da Coasta was committed.

    Suckuban and others like Doughty, actully punish the opposition with their bodies. They along with many other legitimate defencemen lead rushes but acroding to the Fool and local media, only Karly is capable. If someone bothered to watch the Leafs (or Laffs as the Fool calls them) they would have seen a teanager make end to end rushes demonstrating explosive acceleration and great speed (I doubt the Fool knows the difference). BTW: Macarthur was a bum last year as a Leaf but he is great this year in a Sen’s uni???!!!!

    To the Fool, toughness is fighting, I don’t agree with him of course and I would bet most don’t either. Toughness, is showing up every game, competing hard, fighting for possession, determined to keep the other team off the score sheet and making a sacrifice. Suckuban, Doughty and many others do that on a nightly basis. Karly…not so much. He is a slight and gifted, forward playing a very soft and easy game lining up on the back. He is a rover.

    And, of course teams that have the puck most often don’t register the most hits. People with cas don’t take the bus…Duh!

  39. PaV says:

    “He isn’t as big or physical as they are but he did plenty to earn his Norris (BTW Bobby…so Pav is supposed to reference PK’s Norris and call him good? You still scoff at Karlsson – every day – and has that piece of hardware too).”

    OD – we could always point out that Subaan won the Norris in a condensed season. At least EK won it in a full season of hockey – but that logic will get shouted down. Who needs logic when you think you know more than everyone else?

  40. Mike8888 says:

    Pav,
    Karlsson, Doughty, Subban. I’d love to have all of them on my team.

  41. ChokerHater says:

    Ask any GM in the NHL other than the Ottawa GM
    Who would you take first in a draft starting a new team Subban or Karlsson?
    I’ll bet it would be unanimous Subban
    No comparison when you look at the all round game. Subban can play with out fear in his own end

  42. FKevin says:

    Pav if I knew the answer to that one I’d be rich. Near as my amateur eyes can tell its defensive zone puck moving. A combo of personel and system. Carlyle won in Anahiem with a large team that got away with a lot of physical interference and hitting that’s not permitted anymore. He has a lineup that’s far more speed oriented and is trying to force a primarily cycle game that doesn’t fit his lineup. When they play well, which we haven’t seen much of this year, they are flying and score off the rush like against the Hawks. Right now it appears Carlyle wants them to grind and it’s not working. Maybe he’s laying down a foundation, but it sure doesn’t look like it to me. Awful, awful effort last night.
    It was my opinion that Doughty is a much better all around player the either Karlsson or Subban, both of whom are very good offensively, but have large flaws in other areas.
    The point regarding the teams that are always chasing the puck will get hits is well taken, but after watching the Kings play 180 mins last week there is no doubt that they are a far more physical team than anyone I see. If the NHL is going to publish these subjective stats and people are going to base opinions on them, they should have trained impartial statcisians in each rink to compile them? The discrepancies from rink to rink are farcical. I can’t remember the #s but on the Leaf broadcast last night they said that the give always charged to the Leafs are astronomical at home and last week in St Louis in a very poor effort they were charged with 2, crazy.

  43. PaV says:

    Mike. / OD

    I like how my point is proven. No matter what I said the uneducated and immature Bobby will defend the Habs. He points out point production as a good thing but once you point out that Subaan hasn’t registered a point he says it doesn’t matter. He points out that toughness is about hitting and going in to the tough places but you point out that Subaan plays cowardly he says it doesn’t matter. The level of contradiction from the armchair coach is apparent and laughable. He provides comic relief. Him and Choke should star a road show. What does Bobby call Potvin and Dean? Dumb and Dumber? I think that would be a good name for their act.

    The fact is no matter what is said, Bobby will contradict himself over and over. Ole,ole ole

    Mike I would take all three as well. But I do. Ot think Subaan is any better than EK. Not registering a point a game is a good thing don’t ya know? Don’t ya know it’s ok to sit out and pout like a child? Don’t ya know winning the Norris in a condensed season is better than winning it in a full season? Maybe we can ask those NHL GMs and hall of farmers that Choke knows.

    Kev, here is hoping that they turn it around vs. PHX. Did you watch 24/7?

  44. PaV says:

    … And what a crap performance by our team today. Wow.

  45. Bobby Goodman says:

    Dave, the Fool says he doens’t think Suckuban is great or good. I have always said that Karly is very good, but one dimensional (it offends some lemmings here for some reason). Karly’s one dimensional game was on full dispay again tonight against the Devils (on the ice for 3 goals scored against and minus 2).

    The Fool is couragous, he has no compunction what so ever revealing his complete ignorance of the game to all who visit this site. How ignorant can one blind faniac be, he actually wrote the following: Is PK a more complete player? If you measure his +/- then yes…? The plus – minus statistic is not a measure of completeness!!!!!! It is but one way to measure results however. The Fool should know, after so many years as a shameless jock sucker, a complete player does many things on the ice: skating, shooting, body checking, scoring, passing, back checking, corner work, defensively responsible……..it has absolutely nothing to do with plus/minus.

    Wouldn’t this blog be fun with only the Fool, Dave, MIke, Dan and the Fool’s newest best friend Kevin here? Wouldn’t it be fun to sit around give everyone a reach around and sing the praises of all things Senator? Wouldn’t it be wonderful to turn a blind eye to all of the issues. I guess I am too old to understand why hating any team that doesn’t call Ottawa home would be a pleasant thing. Is “Off the Post” the official Blog for bling Sen Faniacs only????? Should a fan force himself to love every player on the team. Is a fan not a fan if he only likes half of them? I guess this isn’t a site for free thinkers at all. I love here opinions. I would love some discussions that involve more than celebrating Annika, and every player except the one’s I particularly like. I would love to discuss players that play for the Laffs and Habions, Flames, Oilers etc.

    For the record, IMO the criteria for winning the Norris is a moving target. Lately it goes the guy who gets the most points. IMO if an opponent loves playing against one player because he is soft and wont go into a corner and give you grief in front of the net, he is not Norris Trophy material! As I have said often, but hates playing against another, it is a testiment to how difficult one defenseman

  46. Bobby Goodman says:

    As I have said often, lining up on the back doesn’t make a player a defenseman. If that player is always caught up the ice with the forwards, he is not a defenseman. He may be a great offensive threat, but he is not a defenceman! Could we not say that Annika was a better defenceman who lined up on the wing??????? His game was not disimilar to Karly’s (the only difference of course is Annika cared, was a fierce competitor and went into the corners and if anyone stood beside him, they would have noticed he wasn’t a big guy).

  47. FKevin says:

    Pav, I watched 24/7 as I have always done. Nicely shot and mildly interesting for the behind the scenes stuff. Never been a fan of these stunt games, feel like they’re no more than a money hustle. It’s ok I guess as a hyped up promotion, I’d rather just watch the Leafs, Wings from the Joe or ACC, some like the flashing lights and sideshow stuff and that’s ok, lots more sizzle same steak.

  48. PaV says:

    The senile old man is contradicting himself yet again.

  49. OD99 says:

    Bobby the site is fine but to point your finger at Pav, myself, Mike, whoever else for having positive comments is getting old.

    I really don’t care if you think I am a pom-pom waiver. I know that I am a fan of the team and cringe over cringe worthy plays and I cheer them on whenever I can. I don’t come on here to beat players down – I post whatever recent thought I have. Sometimes it is critical of Karlsson or Zibanejad or Spezza or the coach or the GM, etc… but more often I am looking to find positive. It is how I am all the time in my life, it isn’t restricted to the Senators.

    That doesn’t mean I am easily satisfied or don’t strive to be better it simply means I would prefer to be a positive person than a negative one.

    You do have good insight and you bring up good points from time to time. This blog would be better if you showed that insight more. Sadly your posts have once again devolved into simply:

    “Karlsson is bad for x, y, z…all goals are his fault regardless of who is on the ice with him or how the play unfolded.”

    “Zibanejad is terrible, he doesn’t do anything well and the points he is getting is just luck and because he is given more chances than others. I don’t care if other players got time and didn’t produce, he is just lucky.”

    “Spezza is under appreciated and you idiots boo him for no reason. He isn’t scoring because he doesn’t have good players to play with. He is never at fault for goals against and his give-aways get an astrerix because sometimes they are the opposing blue line. Having the neutral zone to set-up an odd man rush is much more preferable to a quick turn over in our end when all the Senators players are still in the zone.”

    Obviously that is boiling it down a bit but it isn’t opinion Bobby, go back and read your posts – they are essentially all the same. You have a lot more to offer yet you choose to simply regurgitate the same stuff post after post, year after year.

    Pots and Kettles.

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