Spezza gone to Dallas

- July 1st, 2014

BRUCE GARRIOCH
Ottawa Sun

Jason Spezza will be reach for the Stars.
As the Ottawa Sun reported first, the Senators kicked off the fireworks on July 1 by dealing their disgruntled captain to Dallas for winger Alex Chiasson along with prospects Alex Guptill, Nicholas Paul of North Bay and a second-rounder next year.
Spezza asked for a deal in April and finally got his wish after a trade fell through on the weekend. Chiasson is the centrepiece of the deal for the Senators. He had 13 goals and 35 assists last season with the Stars.
The Stars and Blues were the last two teams left in the hunt for Spezza. The club has a $7 million cap hit and will make $4 million in real salary. The Senators aren’t done, they will make more deals today.
GM Bryan Murray said on the weekend he would continue to try to get a deal done.
“We’ll continue to talk and over the course of time I’m sure the people that miss out on July 1 will come knocking but we’ll have to wait and see,” said Murray as the draft wrapped up.
“He’s got a year left on a contract. If we can find a good package _ something that is somewhat comparable _ and I’ve said all along we won’t get full value. Jason’s an 80-to-90 point guy and you don’t get that kind of return in any kind of trade in this league today.
“I’m hoping that we get something fair in return for the player.”

bruce.garrioch@sunmedia.ca
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42 comments

  1. Bobby Goodman says:

    I really like Jim Nill; it was rumoured he was responsible for many of the great moves the hockey club made in Detroit. I look at what he has done in Dallas in such a short time and the team today just got a whole lot better.

    Not only did he acquire the odd ball, give away machine Spezza (who hates a pressure cooker), he also signed Hemsky who was magic with him last year! Hemsky only had 26 points in 55 games and minus 13 with Edmonton but he was almost a point a game player with the Sens and Spezza (17 point in 20 games and minus 2). When Spezza finally had a hockey player on the right side, had 21 points in the last 20 games and wqas only -2. Spezza will be insulated playing on a team with Benn, Seguin, Nichuskin and compan. Dallas is tough and they can skate. Spezza will get over 80 points next year and Hemsky will have his best year of his career.

    I will miss the odd ball. I will miss his behind the back passes, the no look passes, all the give aways, his lack of leadership, his unwillingness to play in his own end and his lack of physicality. But what I will miss the most is his scoring. His ability to make something out of nothing. His abillity to make bums better. His eagerness to pursue the puck and find an open man. His work on the PP. His smiling face. His modesty, willingness to great the media and treat them with respect. He entertained!

    The team was boring before and now they will be that much more boring. While most teams got better, the Ottawa Senators under Murrays watch, got worse….again.

  2. PaV says:

    The team was boring before and now they will be that much more boring..

    Then don’t watch and don’t come on here and complain. Its as simple as that. Stick with your Habions. Again, the pure hate on for Murray is just sad Bobby, just give it up.

    Can’t wait till they give EK the C. With Bobby not watching anymore, we can at least have some half decent discussion without immature nicknames, childish antics and most of all, no rants!!!!!!

  3. Bobby Goodman says:

    “The Senators gave Spezza every chance to succeed. He couldn’t get it done”. What couldn’t “he get done”? You’ve really painted him in a bad light Bruce. He was a point per game and plus player over his career and the players universally love him.

    Spezza never demanded a trade and any animosity must have been was on the GM’s side. He “requested” a trade. The GM could have said it will have to wait. Your buddy, Y3, said a few times he wouldn’t want to stay in Ottawa if he was Spezza! Others wanted out: Chara, Hossa, Cullen, Sutton, Stillman, Commodore, Annika, Hemsky and of course, Spezza. Coincidence? Murray says he extended an offer to Spezza to stay, but what was the offer? Even if it was 7m (it surely wasn’t) why would Spezza want to stay after suffering Murray’s constant criticism, lack of support, “biting sarcasm” and double standard? Didn’t the GM ask Spezza if he would object to a trade few years ago? Now, with Spezza gone, the GM concedes he’s made some bad choices for team Captain? It’s interesting that Annika is still a God and he abandonned the team (the Sens got nothing in return), lied to everyone because he really wanted to go to Detroit. Spezza “failed to deliver” in Ottawa…did Annika succeed? In the end, didn’t Annika “want out of Ottawa”.

    Even with the trade done, Spezza has nothing but good things to say about the Organization, the entire staff and players. Another good friend of Karly’s has now hit the road; you have to wonder how long it will be before he wants out as well. It was comical to hear the GM say he talked to Karly a couple of times recently about “leadership”. Is there any doubt who will be wearing a letter next year? Murray said he made some bad choices, will he make another?

    The GM approached the press conference with a solemn look on his face and took a very defencinve posture. The first words out of his mouth was a concession. For Jason Spezza, he got Chiasson a second round draft choice and two Juniors taken in 3rd and 4th round (they may never make the NHL). He told the media Chiasson’s numbers were skewed because of illness, but he only missed 3 games all year (79 games played). Zack Smith, playing with Neil and Greening had 13 goals the same number as Chiasson! Chiasson was minus 21! What Murray didn’t say was that Chiasson is not the swiftest player on the ice.

    Were there other offers that didn’t happen but Murray wanted more? I heard a rumour Annaheim offered Bonino and a 1st round draft but was turned down.

    Spezza’s “been a lightning rod for criticism”…ya think?! Spezza’s been blamed for everything on this team and faniaks like Pav buy it all (they simple don’t have the capacity to examine the facts…they think the way they are told).

    He wasn’t liked when he was here and more so now that he is gone. The papers published every nasty letter and 1200 joined the Lemmings in their mass hysteria of hate.

    How will they do next year Bruce?

  4. Daniel Murphy says:

    So the best our GM could do is get Chiasson for Spezza? Makes you wonder but perhaps we might be tickled pink with the trade in a few years. I still don’t understand the love affair with Michalek. He disappears in games more often than naught and I really don’t think he is worth the rich contract he got. I still think Murray should try and peddle Anderson to get a top 4 defenceman. I am sure there are numerous teams who might be interested.

  5. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Bruce’s Spezza columns could have been written by management itself, nothing but spin and attacks toward a player that took far too much criticism by yokels such as myself.

    I had to laugh as Lloydie and Simmer read prepared emails praising Murray and of course, they dutifully agree with Murray so that more season tickets are sold. By the way, hearing they canned a lot of ticket sellers and that the Senators are not a hot ticket right now. I wonder why, with the Senators gunning down another leader in the papers and media.
    Had to laugh when Murray said he was “past that”, referring to the rebuild. Honey, you ARE in a rebuild! You have no #1 centre, Ryan hasn’t signed a new deal in Ottawa and will likely leave, Michalek is 100% done (Simmer said Heatley didn’t have a deal, well Heatley contributed to a playoff run with the Wild, Michalek did not for the Senators!) and I’d be shocked if he had over 50 points.

    Karlsson spends more time complaining about British Airways luggage claim and Bell Canada’s internet speed than he does practicing the defensive aspects of the game.
    But Lloydie the Loyal has said he’s the new captain, to book it! Of course Lloydie and I’m sure you’ll defend Karlsson until you get word from managemen to criticize him.
    At least Don writes what he thinks!

    When are we going to hear about the Ryan contract talks? Didn’t he like it here?
    Bloggers are already calling for Ryan to be traded, asking for a full-on rebuild. DIdn’t Murray do a rebuild in 2011?

  6. Visitor - Pierre D. says:

    Pav said:

    “(…) we can at least have some half decent discussion without immature nicknames, childish antics and most of all, no rants!!!!!!”

    And a sentence earlier he called the Habs “Habions” and ended his sentence with five exclamation points. Irony at its best!

    Go back to Sens Underground PaV, go back to writing inane tunes. We deserve better than your childish personal attacks on teams and individuals. You are nothing but a cheerleader for the Sens organization; at least Bobby offers a different and enlightening point of view!

  7. ChokerHater says:

    hahahahaha
    what a joke
    A star centre in the NHL, the most difficult position to play in the NHL, and the only thing that hog trader could get was three maybes and a promise.
    And the fans, and more so the press stick up for him.
    Alfie
    Heatly
    and now Spezza
    Very little to show for them and they were all legitimate NHL stars
    However the payroll is a lot lighter
    Don’t worry though, your ticket prices are going down
    What a joke

  8. PaV says:

    VIS I see that you have your waving your Bobby Pom poms agian. His own personal cheerleader. Well done. I am just sinking to your and his level. It’s all your little minds can comprehend. The same things said over and over and over agian. Why don’t you and Bobby go back yo your arm chair coaching? It’s pathetic how you guys just sit there and think you know it all.

  9. PaV says:

    VIS – Just re-reading your post. I am not sure what the ‘underground’ comment refers too, but it looks like you are losing it more than you buddy Bobby.

    Mocking the Ottawa Sun writers saying that columns could have been written by management itself is another way of trying to call Bruce out. How much can you be lacking in your life that you have to resort to trying to call out a writer?

    All you are good for is being Bobby’s personal cheerleader.

    Dan – Its all that Spez was worth. Bobby with his rose coloured glasses thinks the world of Spez. Murray being handcuffed the way he was got the best return offered. If Spez really could handle the pressure, he would have been moved to a place where he wanted to be the number one go to guy, but he opted to go to Dallas. I am sure FLA, and Tampa were on his list too. He wants to mail it in for the rest of his career.

  10. PaV says:

    Spezza’s “been a lightning rod for criticism”…ya think?! Spezza’s been blamed for everything on this team and faniaks like Pav buy it all (they simple don’t have the capacity to examine the facts…they think the way they are told).

    This statement coming from the guy who just says the same things over and over again eh?

  11. Bobby Goodman says:

    As Pierre suggested, we haven’t heard anything about Ryan and he will most likely leave? What will you think then Pav? What about Lehner, MacArthur or Methot if they opt out? When will you admit the Management team is inept?

    Some here want to be enertained by good hockey but like a puck-bunny, you prefer their company.

  12. Bobby Goodman says:

    When the Sens fail to make the playoffs next year, will the Pavs of the world take notice, will they even care? Will they then start asking questions about the state of the Organization and the competence level of the coaching and management?

    How many times have we witnessed Murray conducting interviews with the media, struggling to explain the bad blood between him and players. I have never seen the like in all my years.

    Wasn’t it interesting to hear him trying to explain the Annika thing in his press conference recently. Isn’t it the job of a competent GM to have a good read on a players disposition? Shouldn’t the GM have suspected something was up when negotiations stalled. Afterall, he was negotiating with a “good friend” who was with the Organization for many years.

    Dany Heatley was made to be a scoundrel. He was celebrated for 4 years after leading the team in scoring (39 his last year). But an incompetent, rookie coach decided it was best to bench him. The GM had the “Little General” here for 2 years and where is he today? He was allowed to brow beat a star player. Why did Murray need to tell the media Heately requested a trade? Why coulnd’t it have stayed betwen him and the agent. Why did the GM have to make him look like the bad guy, again, for not accepting a trade to Edmonton, one of the destinations he said he wouldn’t go? This was negotiated in his contract! Why did the GM negotiate a $4m bonus and then complain when it was payed out? No matter the circumstances, it was in the terms of a contract he negotiated with Heatley’s agent! When he was traded to the Sharks, the GM was in front of the media complaining he never got fair value. One year the Pavs of the world were chearing for Heatley and the next year they booed him.

    Now it is Spezza’s turn to be characterized as a villain who bailed on the team. To Faniaks like Pav, Spezza failed at every level. Facts don’t matter. Spezza should have accepted a trade to Nashville, even though it was negotiated as a no-go-zone. It didn’t matter, Murray still talked to them and negotiated a deal that only needed Spezza’s blessing. Of course Spezza rejected the trade, the discussions should never have happened like Heatley going to Edmonton! When a deal was finally done, the GM, again in front of the media complained he didn’t get fair value. Perhaps some like Murray’s style, I do not. He plays the media who in turn can play the Pavs of the world. He looked like a tired old man and he behaved like an imept amateur.

    When will fans like Pav, wake up and concede the Organization is not moving forward and the “rebuild” is failing miserably? When will they concede mangement, coaching, players are sub-standard? Are hockey fans supposed to celebrate what is going on in Ottawa? What will the Pavs of the world think when Ryan is gone and three assets lost as a result including Nick Ritchie?

    Isn’t it time for an overhaul?

  13. PaV says:

    Oh look, a another rant.

    Lets have some fun:
    To Faniaks like Pav, Spezza failed at every level.
    I never said he failed. I said that he couldn’t handle the pressure. I said that he didn’t like being the ‘guy’ who everyone depended on. But again Bobby, you make everything up. OD has pointed that out. All of your posts are a product of your imagination. You read, type only what you want to see, hear and read. Plain and simple.

    When will fans like Pav, wake up and concede the Organization is not moving forward and the “rebuild”…
    Again Bobby – you make everything up. You are so full of your self, your eyes are turning brown. Who said anything about the Club not moving forward. I keep pointing out that you do not know anything about hockey. You live in the past. I really think that some fresh air would do you some good. Don’t you have some sort outlet for all this pent up anger? Are you upset that you are not an NHL GM? Would it help if you had a hug from Murray and tell you that everything will be ok?

    Here Bobby, ill explain in terms that you can understand (and maybe your cheerleader will understand too) – Murray got the best he could for Spezza. He was limited in what he could get back from a ‘point a game player’ (which btw is the most ridiculous stat, as he didn’t score a point per game, he averaged a point per game over his career with the SENS). When a players asks to be traded, he should be shipped off too wherever the best deal is possible – what did you want Murray to do? (I can’t wait for this response, its going to be a good one!) Spez the bad guy? The guy didn’t act like a leader. HE did not lead the team. He did not take the reigns and make a horrible situation better. He did not do anything of the sort. What did he do Bobby to be this god in your eyes? Is it because you run the church of Spezza that you need to continue to harp on the fact that the GM/owner and coach called him out? He got called out for good reason – why can’t you understand that. If Spezza is as ‘great’ and ‘amazing’ as you say, how come he wasn’t able to elevate his game? How come he wasn’t able to take hold of his line? What did he do? The no look passes, the horrible drop passes, the shots that missed 30ft from the net, the lack of grinding in the corners. At least in my world, I am not out of touch of reality. At least in my world, I can watch the game and enjoy the moment. You are a sad state of affairs Bobby. You are a arm chair coach. You are the guy who will be sitting watching his TV or listening to the radio and documenting every single thing that any player you do not like does and then get on this blog and write about it.

  14. Bobby Goodman says:

    “He wasn’t a point per game player….he only averaged a point per game in his 11 year career”. Pav, mate….are you serious? You sound like someone who just came to Canada from Lower Slobovia and never saw an NHL game in his life!

    You love Spezza traded away for a 13 goal scorer and two kids taken in 3rd and 4th round. Why? How do you know it was the best deal Murray could get? There was no animosity so why couldn’t Murray wait until March when teams are desperate? Why didn’t Murray accept the Bonino and a first rounder from Anaheim for Spezza?

    Spezza didn’t lead?…if the Coach couldn’t lead a very bad team, how could Spezza? What exactly did you want him to do? Prevent the team from allowing many shots and goals a game. Should he have told Karly to make an effort and reduce his league leading number of give aways, most of which were in his own end. Should he have told the goaltending to be as good as it was the year before? What exactly should he have done, mate?

    You poor fool, Spezza didn’t elevate his game? He was second on the team playing primarily with bums. This, after missing an entire year due to back surgery. He didn’t elevate his game but your Captain, Karlsson, did? Spezza couldn’t take hold of his line…what line was that you fool, he played with 9 wingers. When he finally had a right winger, Hemsky, he had 21 points in the last 20 games, Hemsky who had only 26 points in 52 games and minus 13 with Edmonton had 17 points in 20 games and only minus 2 when paired with Spezza. You and your faniaks hated Spezza and Hemsky said he was the best center he’s ever played with, so much so, he went out of his way to join him in Dallas. The GM there, Nill is one of the best in the business, he wanted Spezza to join the team (perhaps he thinks like me and that a point a game is pretty good, even if it is only an average. Spezza’s line line was the best on the team when Hemsky arrived. Why was that line so successful mate? Spezza had more points that anyone on the Turris line, but, he didn’t elevate his game or make the line better? Keep reading the papers and spewing back what you read.

    What about Karlsson’s give aways mate, afterall, he did lead the entire league; you chastise Spezza and he never even led his team!

    You get excited when a player gives you a wink and a smile and that is enough to sustain you. I want the team to be better, it doesn’t matter to you. I am not the only armchair quarterback mate, many in the media have pointed out Karlssons flaws. Many have pointed out the Organizations flaws. Many have asked why there is always controversy and great players want out and a writer in the other paper demanded a complete overhaul.

    You are blissfully happy in your ignorance there Pav. You can get giddy with the team going after old have beens like Lecavalier and Legwand (and that is rebuilding?), siging DD and Johnson, drafting Summers.

    You celebrate mediocrity, I ca’t…I wont!

  15. Neil Harris says:

    It’s been 7 years since Mr. Murray took the reigns of a cup finalist. Things have gone from bad to worse. Shockingly, his ineptitude is never criticized in the press. Seven years people. Seven years, and we’re further back than ever before, still stuck in this perplexing “rebuild” where we go trade for big name players like Bobby Ryan who will probably be gone soon. Their is no consistency in management’s decision. Mr. Murray should be led to pasture. I think we’re seeing why he’s never won the cup before.

  16. Bobby Goodman says:

    As expected, Bryan Murray signed the 33 year old Legwand (we were told it would be him or Lecavalier). This is part of the rebuilding process? He wasn’t wanted in Nashville, he wasn’t wanted in Detroit but he is needed in Ottawa? Will the Pavs of the world celebrate this singing too as they did: Lapointe, Robitaille, Smith, Richardson and many others including…..Latendresse?

    The GM brought him in to help the team realize their goal “to make it to the post season”. They wont of course, but to the Pavs of the world, it doesn’t matter.

    Last year playing in Nashville and Detroit, Legwand was minus 17; he was minus 9 in just 21 games with Detroit. Legwand has been a minus player in 6 of his last 8 years, but “he is a leader”, “still skates pretty well” and “can play up or down in the lineup”.

    I can’t be the only one disappointed with what is going on in Ottawa. The slow ticket sales is an indicator. Murray promised a 3 year rebuild but no one is willing to remind him that it failed. Next spring the GM will have failed to get the Sens in the post season for the 4th time in 7 years and this is acceptable? Signing Legwand may have been necessary because the GM can’t attract great free agents to come play in Ottawa. So will the 33 year old take the spot of a younger “prospect” and delay his development? Will he make the team more entertaining to watch?

    Pav inexplicably says Spezza failed to make his line better, did Legwand? Pav said Spezza couldn’t lead his team mates, did Legwand lead in Nashville or Detroit? I could ask Pav what his expectations are for Legwand and the Sens but he wont respond. He doesn’t possess the “stones” to make a prediction.

    I know some Sens fans who said if the Sens sign Legwand or Lecavalier it would mark the end. The team did and their alegience is now gone. Even the Pav-like faniaks have to concede the pundits are now finding their courage a little more and asking qestions about the Ownership, GM, Coach and players. They all must be angry old men too who allowed the world to pass them by.

    Good ridance to Spezza and welcome aboard David Legwand. He will join the 36 year old Philips and 35 year old Neal as necessary pieces. When the 3 year rebuild was announced over 3 years ago, I would have liked to see the Sens go on a youth movement and allow the chips to fall where they may and secure some high draft choices. Squeaking into the post season doesn’t entertain nor does it help the team long term but it may help put money in the quaffers. If the GM can isolate some players to be accountable (certainly not his faves), shouldn’t his performance as well?

    Fools like Pav swear an oath of alegience no matter what, competencey isn’t necessary. Pav will let the world know how ingorant he really is saying Spezza “gave the puck away”, “didn’t play defence”, “didn’t make his line or team better” and couldn’t lead” etc. but he wants Karly to be the next Captain. Go figure.

  17. OD99 says:

    I don’t mind the Legwand signing at all.

    At 33 he is far from washed up and with only $3M a year for 2 years the team isn’t bogged down financially or for a long term. If anything I believe it is a favourable contract for the Senators and I hope he is this years C-Mac signing. He had 50 points playing on a Nashville team that was hard pressed to score goals and if he comes in an plays the C2 or C3 role I think that makes the team deeper. Having a player that wore the C for a while can’t hurt either.

    He isn’t here to make the team a contender, just be a piece of the puzzle.

    On another note, I went to see the prospects scrimmage and Stone (as he should be) was by far and away the best player. He made something happen every time he touched the puck, had some sweet passes and scored a beauty after digging the puck out of a scrum, spinning and going high glove – I think this kid is going to surprise a lot of people (especially on this blog) this year. Even though he isn’t a pretty skater he gets around just fine and his ability to read the play is top notch – I expect him to lead the team in TKA by a fair margin.

    Now I wonder who the Senators may be having trade discussions with for this other mystery player…if it is Patrick Sharp and we only have to give away some prospects and perhaps some marginal roster players I will be ecstatic and would believe the team is looking ready to really compete. The Hawks need to make some moves and it would be fantastic to get another high skill winger.

  18. Daniel Murphy says:

    I wonder if Murray will be able to find a top 4 defenseman that we need so badly?

  19. Mike8888 says:

    OD,
    I agree with you on the Legwand signing. I think he’s a nice addition, and if the Sen’s trade for another top six forward, which is a strong rumour, they should definitely contend in the weaker east.

    Bobby,
    Only you can continue to find negatives in every move the Sen’s make. I liked Spezza as well, but it’s time to move on. I’m really suspecting that you’re not really a Sen’s fan anyway.

  20. PaV says:

    Oh Bobby, you are so special. So very very special. A plain and simple idiot, but still special.

    You know nothing about what you are talking about. Its ramblings of an old man. I am a fan of the team. I like hockey, I can enjoy the game. You cannot. You are the typical fan(atic) who will get his sleeping bag and camp outside of Murrays house. Maybe that’s why you hate him so much. He must have a restraining order on you. You and your very simple mind can’t fathom that we who are fans are a fan of the team, regardless if they are good, bad or ugly. In your case, all you want to do is repeat the same things over and over again. Give your head a shake. I keep telling you that you need to get out more. Being cooped up indoors for weeks at a time is not helping you in any way. Your obsession with Spezza is a little scary. You may want to seek some help. No matter what Murray does you will always tear it apart with loathe and hate. I never said I wanted EK to be the captain of the team, I said he will likely be the choice that management makes. You see and read what you want. You make things up. The more and more I read your rants, you seem to be borderline delusional. Can’t you just not post on here? Can’t you join one of the Habions blogs and post your rants there?

    OD – I am with you, I do not mind the signing at all. I don’t care if he is a -17, as the village idiot pointed out. He can’t be any worse than Spez and likely better in a lot of aspects. I wanted to make it down to the prospects scrimmage but wasn’t able too.

    On a personal note, just a shout out to my mom who turns 65 years young today! Happy Birthday!

  21. PaV says:

    OD – I think we are going to get another old guy just so Bobby has something to rant about :)

  22. Bobby Goodman says:

    Dave, where do you think Legewand will play with the Sens? I ask you this because I really don’t know.

    Many have asked if Turris is a real number one center and the answer is of course he is! He will center the number one line and he led the number one line in scoring last year! Is he as good as other number one line centers no; he is better than others, yes. The discussion is a silly one. The Team will force feed Zzz as the 2nd line center (he will be successful whether he is successful or not). Smith will center the so called 3rd line with Greening and Neil and that would leave an openning on the 4th line (whoever that may be).

    If that is that’s the case, I would ask why have Legwand at all? Who will he be playing with? He has 15 years experience and is going to turn 34 soon. Is this the way forward in the “post rebuild era”? Afterall he was a cast off in Nashville and Detroit. These are the types of “Free Agents” Murray attracts to Ottawa. He will join Kassian, Corvo, Latendresse, Lundin and an army of others who have come and gone.

    As much as I like Stone, one can ask, is he a legitimate NHLer? Because he looked OK playing with Turris and MacArthur doesn’t mean he is a bona fide NHL hockey player. Should this year answer that question? In 23 games at the NHL level he’s scored 4 goals and had 4 assists. These aren’t good numbers when you consider who he has played with. Of course he will get better, everyone does, but how much better can he get? He is not a good skater at all and has to rely entirely on his smarts.

    I wonder why Prince wont get a full go with the big club this year. The kid can really skate and had 39 goals and 44 assists in Bingo in 2 years. I would FIND a place for him on the team and truly test what he is capable of! But that is not the GMs style (actually I don’t know what his syle is because the only way to describe it is that it is indescribable and non-sensical). To this GM in this, the “post rebuild era”, it is imperative the team re-signs Michalek (-26) and Philips (-12) who is 36 years old. It is imperative they have a leader like 35 year old Neil (-10) and sign 34 year old Legwand (-17). Those 4 players collectively were minus 65 last year! This is moving forward? This is good for the hockey club?

    Legwand wore a C, so this automatically helps the hockey club? Does the C help OV lead? Will the C now make Spezza special? Captain Legwand didn’t help Nashville who failed to make the playoffs. They had 88 points at the end of the year, just like Ottawa. The team allowed 23 less goals scored against them than the Sens but Legwand was minus 8 with them! The Wings allowed 35 less goals than the Sens but Legwand was minus 9 in only 21 games with them! How is this a good thing for the Sens?

    It is interesting that most picked Chicago to be among the top 3 to win it all last year and when the didn’t, they now need to make changes. Why? The were up 3 – 0 on LA!

  23. PaV says:

    The Spez press conference is pathetic. He said one of the reasons he went to Dallas because they have a ‘commitment to winning’. Before last season the last time the Stars made the playoffs was 2007-2008. Speaks volumes to Spez character. Couldn’t handle being a leader. Couldn’t handle the pressure. The ‘point per game’ player wanted an easy way out.

  24. PaV says:

    Mike888 – really? Only suspecting now? He hates the SENS. I am not even sure why he is on this blog.

  25. PaV says:

    My thoughts and prayers go our to Bryan Murray and his family. Here is hoping for a speedy recovery. Wish him and his family all the best during his treatment and hard time. Here is hoping for a full recovery.

  26. Bobby Goodman says:

    Mikey, in a way you are absolutely right, I am not a fan of the the Sens as they have looked the last 6-7 years with Murray at the helm.

    You are a fan because you don’t have any issues at all. PI suspect, by default, Neil Harris isn’t a Sens fan as well.

  27. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pav and people of his ilk love it all, are you one of those Mikey? I

    You suggest it was time for Spezza to go and that may be true but at what cost? The GM said he wanted value in return, do you think the Sens got value in return for Jason Spezza? Wouldn’t you have preferred Bonino and a first round draft choice? Did the team just need to get rid of Spezza? Did the team need to re-sign Michalek afterall, he did nothing for 62 games ( before Hemsky) and was minus 25! Murray offered more money to Michalek than he did for Hemsky! Did you agree with that too?

    Do you really think a player in his 16 year in the league and unwanted by his two previous teams is good for the Sens in the post rebuild era?

    Who do you think will be the Sens Captain next year Mikey? Any guesses? Where do you think the Sens will finish next year? Has the 3 year rebuid been successful? How is it being measured. what did you see happen in the 3 years and describe the plan? Why have the stars left here in a cloud of controversy Mikey?

    If I am not really a Sens fan, why did I go love the team in ’07? Why am I a huge Spezza fan? Why do I like guys like Methot, Smith, Turris, MacArthur, Ryan? Why do I want Lehner to play in many more games? Why did I object to Boro being sent down? Why did I want Wiercoch to get into more games? Why do I support Hoffman getting more opportunities and a chance to be in the middle? Why did I object to the Philiips signing and using him on the PP?

    Really Mikey, isn’t it silly to suggest I am not a Sens fan because I simply want the Organization and the product to be better?

    If you suspect the team will have trouble making the playoffs this coming year, shouldn’t you demand better or will 4 playoff misses be acceptable? Will you then join me and want more?

    Why do so many Hockey Experts question what is going on in Ottawa? Lets forget about the “disgruntled players” how is the team doing? Who, as PM asks, will replace Spezza’s body of work”? Will Chiasson and the two kids taken in the 3rd and 4th round. Murray concede they wont help the team next year! Have you noticed he is always buying time?

    What if Ryan decides to leave the team in the Spring, will you still be a Murray fan? The team will have lost Noesen a first rounder, Silverberg a 2nd rounder (never a real fan) and Nick Ritchie a fantastic prospect taken in the first round by Anaheim this year. This is “rebuilding”?

    I am not a Sens fan but you must be, right Mikey? If I am not a fan, why did I want the team to get a kid like Tarasinko and why did I object to others like: Rund’sbad, Butler, Cowen, Da Costa, Silverberg and I can go on. By your rational, I mustn’t be a real Canadian fan ’cause I would select other players to represent our Country in international competitions!

    Go ahead Mikey, agree with the Fool. If what Murray has done here in his time as GM doesn’t concern you, then must be a Sens Fa

  28. Mike8888 says:

    Actually Bobby, I’m a huge Sen’s fan. All you do is criticize 90% of the moves the Sen’s make. I suppose I could go on a Habs blog and do the same, but why bother?

  29. PaV says:

    If you suspect the team will have trouble making the playoffs this coming year, shouldn’t you demand better or will 4 playoff misses be acceptable? Will you then join me and want more?

    Mike8888 – shows how much Bobby really knows. The last 4 years (going back to 2009-2010)
    2009-2010 – made the post season
    2010-2011 – missed the post season
    2011-2012 – made the post season
    2012-2013 – made the post season
    2013-2014 – missed the post season

    Can someone check the math? It doesn’t seem if the SENS miss the playoffs this year it will be four (4) in a row. Give it up Bobby – once a tool, always a tool. Stop making stuff up to suit your rants.

  30. Bobby Goodman says:

    Why would you go on a Habs blog and complain, does it matter to you how they do? If they missed the playoffs would you really care? I suspect you wouldn’t care at all. All I do is complain? Have I not been a fan of Hossa, Spezza, Chara, Kelly, Vermette, Fisher and a host of others? Have I not been a Smith fan since he arrived and sat in the press box so Daisey the Air Rifle could dress and play?

    You haven’t answered many of my questions Mikey; I never suggested your weren’t a huge fan. I’m just confused why you wont demand more from the Organization. I listed the names of the players I like and support on the hockey club but unlike you, I name the ones who don’t help. Do you not see a pattern developing with the Sens picking up FA that other teams don’t really want: Lundin, Corvo, Kassian, Latendresse and now Legwand (before them there were many others in Murray’s time as GM).

    Perhaps you are excited with the Spezza trade to Dallas; the one Jim Nill suggested he”couldn’t believe his good luck” getting him for what he gave up. Perhaps you believe they will help the team make the post season this year but it is my contention (now pay attention Pav) the team “will miss the post season for the 4th time in 7 years that Murray has been the General Manager” – 08-09 with Hartsburg, 10-11 with Clouston, 13-14 with Maclean and 14-15 with Maclean (if he isn’t canned before the end of the year).

    Having gone through 4 coaches in his 6 years here as GM, can we safely say Coaching hasn’t been the only problem? Or will the 4th post season miss be acceptable Mikey? What do you expect from the team this year? Why are ticket sales are down? Didn’t you expect more from the “3 year rebuild”?

    Why wont you answer some of the questions I asked you Mikey? Is it because you are like the Fool and believe criticism is a sin and you must endorse it all? Would you support Karlsson being named Captain? The guy even YOU suggested takes shifts and games off and doesn’t make an effort in his own end? Appointing a player as Captain is supposed to help the players on the team (not help a self centered, crass and imature kid grow up).

    The Ottawa Senators scored enough, their problem was preventing goals. So how does acquiring the 15 year veteran Legwand and his -17 help the team (minus 9 in only 21 games with Detroit)? How does acquiring Chaisson and his team leading -21 help the Sens? How does re-signing Michalek with his -25 help the hockey club? Will Philips and his -12 and The Big Show and his -10 again “lead” the Sens? What about Zzz and his -15; will he be better simply because Spezza is gone? Do you really believe Lazar should play for the Sens next year and that he will be the hockey player the media make him out to be. I love the kid, he is a product of the CHL (not 3 or 4 years in NCAA).

    Oh yes, Pav, take remedial English lessons…please. I know you can’t do a damn thing about your lack of inteligence.

  31. Bobby Goodman says:

    This is what happens when the English as a Second Language program fails. Fools like Pav are left on their own and are content to make public spectacles of themselves (Pav’s stupidity makes matters even worse). Pav said he “never said he wanted EK to be Captain of the Team” but he posted “Can’t wait till they give EK the C”. Say what?

    Pav takes every opportunity to complain about Spezza. He says Spezza failed the hockey club but he still worships Annika who couldn’t lead his team past the hapless Leafs for years and failed to lead them out of the 1st round 11 times. He says Spezza wasn’t a good leader but players on the team say he was…even his fantasy, EK! EK, Methot and many others say Spezza was great on and off the ice and great with the kids, but the Fool still hates him (it’s what he is told to do). Spezza has been gratious, humble, accomodating, where as EK (his fantasy) has been the complete opposite but he loves EK and he “can’t wait ’till they give him the C”! He hates Spezza who doesn’t have good character but he love Ray Emery!? He also hates Spezza for his give aways but EK led the entire league! He hates Spezza for his minus number (-26 last year) but Spezz is plus 58 for his career and EK is -26! He hates Spezza because he only shows up when it is easy….really….Karly disappears entirely in tough games, never goes into a corner, doesn’t make an effort in his own and Spezza’s numbers 5 on 5 are much better than Karlsson’s! The Fool dismisses all the chatter across the networks that pointed out the many flaws in Karlsson and his game. Love afterall, is blind.

    The Fool says “the Spezza’s press conference in Dallas was pathetic. He questions Spezza’s “character” for saying the team was commited to winning. Poor Pav, when he isn’t coached, like Annika, he fails miserably. Spezza went to Dallas because Jim Nill is the GM and just like when he was with Detroit for so many years, he is committed to winning. If the Fool who says he is a hockey fan, ventured beyond the National Captial Region and learned how to read, he would know this. The Stars are going to be knocking on the door in the very strong Western conference next year. They will be competitive and more importantly (to me at least) they will be a lot of fun to watch.

    Spezza’s character is questioned, but unlike Annika he truly wanted to join a team that could win the Prize and asked for a trade a year before his contract expired so the Sens could get something in return. Annika, his hero chose not to. He left to join 8 other Swedes in Detroit and this demonstrates his strenth of character? Spezza said it wasn’t about the money, but it was for Annika who fought over 1m?

    The Fool says Spezza couldn’t handle the pressure; can you imagine if he could, he may have had even more than 687 points in 686 games and better than plus 58 in his career.

    Don’t look for logic or consistency from Pav. But you can expect stupidity.

  32. PaV says:

    Just to add a little salt to the mix here, going back all the way to the 1999-2000 season, the SENS have only not made the post season three times.

    In the same timeframe, the Habions did not make the post season five times.

    I wonder who is the better club?

    Cue the rant.

  33. OD99 says:

    Bobby I expect that Legwand will play as the #2 or #3 center depending on how well or poorly Zibanejad plays. Smith will be the #4 center and occasionally move up or down time-wise based on who we play.

    Turris is obviously the #1C and after a few years of stalled development with Phoenix we got a taste of what he may be able to become last year. He scored 26 goals so 30 is doable and this is quite the bench mark these days. With a healthy Ryan that line may just be better than last year.

    Calling Legwand a cast off is a little harsh – I could say Spezza is a cast off since he was moved. And I know you are smart enough to understand there is a huge difference between OV and Legwand and also know that winning a Cup doesn’t make a captain better or worse – the team wins the Cup. He is a respected veteran who obviously still has some game left so that is why I think it is a good move. I will ask you who you think the Senators should have tried to get – what type of player would you prefer?

    As for Stone – just like any player who hasn’t proven themselves you can ask if Stone is a legit NHL player but I certainly don’t agree that somehow playing well with Turris and C-Mac is in any way a negative. Being able to play with gifted players isn’t easy as we all know when trying to put however many different bodies with Spezza. Stone is smart enough and talented enough to play in the NHL – no question in my mind. Only question is if he is good enough to be a legit top 6 winger or not.

    A lot of how this season shapes up will be based on if (and who) the Senators make another move for a proven top 6 winger and who is moved to make room for this player. At this point the Senators have too many D-men to carry into next year so I would expect some D to be part of any package going the other way.

    Lots to happen before we get to TC yet.

  34. PaV says:

    English as a second language?! Hahahah this is coming from a crazy old man who has to make up facts to support his insane rants!! Classic. Your an idiot, plain and simple. Ole ole ole

  35. PaV says:

    One has to wonder about the mental state of the village idiot on here. All he does is spew the same crap each and everyday. It must be a very lonely life to live. Most us on here have a life and are able to enjoy our team as fans rather than a bitter old man.

    The only ‘fool’ here is Bobby, who all of his posts are comical at best and lack any depth.

    It’s like feeding the monkeys at the zoo, you should never do it :)

  36. PaV says:

    Also, as I didn’t read the full rant, anyone else notice that the village idiot didn’t comment on the Sens missing the post season four seasons in a row and completely ignored the stats in black in white? You should stop and maybe try to supports your insanity with actual fact. Such a tool.

  37. Bobby Goodman says:

    Davey, I am not sure where Legwand will be in the lineup; it will depend entirely on who his wingers will be. Indeed, Turris is the Team’s number 1 center; I love the kid and he never quits.

    Legwand was not wanted in Nashville and was let go by Detroit. I don’t know if that is harsh but it is reality. I am not excited to get a 14 year veteran who never lived up to his potential and for the last few years has been on the decline. I want to see youth/speed on the Sens. On a team that is not very good defencively, the Sens will now add the -21 Chiasson and -17 Legwand. There didn’t need to be controversy with Spez. If Murray managed the situation better, he could have waited until March.

    Of course there is a difference between OV and Legwand, my point is because someone wore a C it doesn’t necessarily make them a leader. Cs are usually given to the player who is most recognizable and will promote the Oganization – it all marketting these days and that is why Karlsson will wear it this year.

    Who should the Team have tried to get? I don’t know who was available Dave, but at this point in the post rebuild era, I think they should focus on truly rebuilding, no retooling with old retreads. I like youth, speed, size and skill. If you think Ryan will be gone, what can we say about the deal that allowed Anaheim to get Noesen, Silverberg and a potential powerhouse in 18 year old Ritchie (6-4, 230 pounds, can really skate, score, hit and fight)? The Organization was selling us on “the Kids” and how they were the future? Da Costa joins Silverberg, Petersson and Noesen with other teams. Conacher who the team got for a Vezina finalist was allowed to walk. Butler, Rund’sbad never panned out. Wierchoch is on the trading block. And we are going to see if Cowen is worthy of $12m contract and if Zzzz can create something/anything.

    I wanted Murray ato get Mason (long before Toronto nabbed him) and could have had him for 1m last year; instead he offered more than the Leafs for Clarkson who scored 5 goals. Who should the Sens go after? They should draft better and forget about have beens who have been discarded by other teams (Lundin, Latendresse, Kassian, Kovalev, Legwand).

    Stone playing with Turris isn’t a negative but I would expect him to do more if he is a bona fide NHLer. We will see it this year Dave? I love his heart, passion, work ethic, skills and smarts but he hasn’t got NHL wheels. Skating, more than anything else, is a must have these days.

    Will the team land a top six winger, perhaps but a top six winger is a very relative thing. Top six in Ottawa isn’t going to be a difference maker.

    It is my opinion that Ottawa has lost much of its luster since the Murray regime took over. It is not a destination of choice. There needs to be a cultural change. I want change, an overhaul to bring competence, pride and character back. At some point even dedicated fans like yourself must concede its not working.

  38. Bobby Goodman says:

    “Just to add a little salt to the mix here, going back all the way to the 1999-2000 season, the SENS have only not made the post season three times. In the same timeframe, the Habions did not make the post season five times. I wonder who is the better club”?

    Oh Pav, what are we going to do with you. You don’t understand the game, you can’t form an original thought, you can’t express yourself and you can’t read. You poor fool. My issue(s) have been with how the Organization has been managed with Murray as GM (’07, ’08 season on). I don’t have crayons to draw you pictures but perhaps if your fantasy (Karly) touched your hand and told you the team has missed the post season 3 times since then, you would believe me. In all probability, the team will miss it again this year which (now write this down) will mean the will have missed the playoffs 4 times in the 7 years Murray was GM.

    You’ve only punctuated what I have been saying when you proclaim proudly the team only missed the playoffs 3 times since 1999 – 2000! Who was the GM for the only 3 playoff birth misses?

    As for who is the better team, what the hell are even talking about? What era are you referring to? Who said the Habions were better than the Sens when they were among the best in the league and I loved watching them?

    I congratulate their Organization for hiring Marc Bergevin and I congratulated him for hiring his managment team most of whom enjoyed long NHL careers (unlike Ottawa who don’t have any), I congratulated Bergevin for egineering a cultural change that restored pride and character throughout. The Habs took out Boston in the first round last year and they are poised to make another playoff birth this year and be even better than they were last year.

    Who is the better club? Who would you select Pav? The Sens beat up the Habs when they were hurt two years ago. They should have lost 2 games had it not been for Anderson who made the “Pesky Sens” a playoff bound team and made Maclean Coach of the Year. The Habs were also better last year and everyone predicts they will be better again this year. What’s your call? Where will the Sens finish this year….mate?

    Oh yes; Pav says men don’t cry (it is how he measures manhood…sad isn’t it). Some of the best soccer players in the world can’t be men (according to the manny-man Pav). I saw more than a few Brazillian soccer players reduced to tears after they were hammered by Germany. One of them was crying in the arms of the coach, just like the girly-man Gionta. But the Brazil players weren’t the only ones….no sir. There were some on other losing teams and also male fans who cried. And, the WWF wrestler Batista cried when he learned he got a part in a major motion picture. I wonder if the manny-man Pav would call him a sissy?

    Maybe, because Pav has trouble with the English language, he doesn’t fully understand what MAN really means. Maybe Pav is really Ally Oop and from Moo.

  39. PaV says:

    Oh Bobby, I don’t understand what a man means? Give it up. I understand that you are bitter and just a sad human being. Its kinda like losing your gf or wife to your best friend, I can see how that would upset you.

    You will always come in second place Bobby, you will never be a winner :)

  40. OD99 says:

    Bobby Legwand scored 50 points last season – he is a decent producer now no matter how much he didn’t live up to his supposed potential. He may not be Messier but by all accounts he was a fine captain and is a pro’s pro. He isn’t here to be a star but he can be a top 6 C or a very good 3rd line C – and for short term. We need some older players here.

    What do you mean he wasn’t wanted in Nashville? They did what many teams do and that is trade an aging vet when they can still get something for him. The Wings happily rented him and now he plays for the Sens. He is also only 33 not a retread.

    There are still young players to be proven or not and I would say this year will really show if the Senators have some of the youngsters to keep improving or if these guys won’t cut it.

    There could be some nice surprises and Mark Stone is one I am calling now – he is finally healthy to train in an off season, showed how he can dog the puck and showed some nice touch on his goals. He had 5 points in his last 12 games after getting his feet wet and I am going to call 20 goals and 45+ points this season with a whack of TKA’s.

  41. Bobby Goodman says:

    I hope he works out Davey but I would prefer the team goes yute and allow the team to be what they are. The Team could may even get a high draft pick! Holding on hard to perhaps squeaze into the playoff picture isn’t a good plan in my book. Legwand joins all the other old guys (been around forever) to join he Sens. I never liked it when Murray brought Robitaille back from Europe and signed Lapointe, Richardson, Smith, Kovalev, Latendresse, Lundin and company.

    Legwand was always a great skater and he still is but he wasn’t wanted in Nashville. He was traded for Yves who was put on waivers in Detroit but never picked up by another team. Nashville also got a kid named Jarnkrok who I have never heard of and played 12 games for the Preds last year. He may pan out to be pretty good and the Preds got a 3rd rounder. If Legwand, their Captain, was still a force in Nashville and only 33, why move him? Ottawa was desperate to hold onto a 40 year old who wanted out!

    Legwand had only 2 years in his first 7 in the league where he was a minus player, but he has been a minus player in 6 of his last 8. He was minus 17 last year; -8 in 62 games in Nashville and -9 in just 21 games in Detroit! Is this what the team needs? Will he be better in the +/- column playing here in Ottawa with Chiasson who led Dallas with minus 21 and the many other minus Sens players?

    I know he will work very hard but I prefer younsters on this hockey club. I see guys like Philips, Neil and now Legwand taking the place of kids who could really use the experience to develop. This is not “rebuilding”.

    I certainly hope the Organization have young players Dave; will they pan out…we will just have to wait and see. How long do you wait to dertermine if they are the future? Will the team be a playoff team next year and if they aren’t was the Legwand signing worth it?

    You have some pretty lofty expectations for Stone Dave; I really hope he can reach them but scoring 20 goals and getting 45 plus points may be too optimistic. We will see.

  42. OD99 says:

    Bobby you know if anything I am an optimist but I have really liked what I have seen from Stone and believe he will be a solid player for us – his progression has been steady and I think he would have been on the team sooner if not for his run of injuries.

    I am usually more in the, “X player could be good, let’s see” camp and not ready to give up on players as quick as you might be at times but in this case I really feel he will surprise a lot of people.

    Zibby on the other hand is still a question mark for me. I think he is a NHL player for sure but I have my doubts as to his ability to be a #1C in the league – as I have said I don’t believe he creates enough yet but if he tops out as a 2-way 50 point player I won’t be too disappointed.

    The Senators are still flush with prospects on the cusp and the only question is how effective will they be? Is Puempel a 30 goal scorer in the NHL or is he a 12-15 scorer on the 3rd line? Is Hoffman going to be able to reproduce like he has at lower levels, taking his time to adjust before becoming a dynamic scorer? The D we have on the roster already need to show they can be legit NHL players – specifically Cowen, Ceci, Wiercioch…not to mention it will be interesting to see how Boro does once he knows he is here to stay (for the most part) this year.

    There are questions up and down the line-up but I don’t believe all the answers will be bad or negative and if a few of the guys reach their potential I think the team will be in pretty good shape with a lot of cap room. How and if that cap money is spent will be the deciding factor on how well the team can really compete.

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