What happened to Canada’s Team?

- March 30th, 2014

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We don’t discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs much here but what’s happened to them is shocking. It really is.
I thought they were home and cooled for a playoff spot. To witness the way they played against the
They have completely fallen apart here during this eight-game losing skid. Our friends at sportsclubstats.com rate their chances of making the playoffs around 6.7%. That’s not very good.
I don’t happen to think one Canadian team in the playoffs is good thing. I think it’s bad for hockey myself. The Leafs being there, whether people like it or not, is good for business.
The people at CBC must be choked by what they are witnessing.
The Montreal Canadiens are looking like the only team headed for the post-season. This is two straight years the Leafs have just come unglued. Yes, you have to count what happened in the playoffs last year against the Bruins.
The Canucks have little hope. The Senators _ as has been documented here several times _ are pretty much done. The two teams in Alberta leave a lot to be desired. Winnipeg Jets have to get going in the right direction. The Habs and Leafs were supposed to carry the flag this year.
Where have the Leafs gone wrong?
I really think this team is better than this. I do believe they’ve got good talent. I know people don’t love Phil Kessel but he’s a natural goal scorer. Joffrey Lupul, in my opinion, is a strong player.
You have to wonder if this is it for Randy Carlyle.

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29 comments

  1. KevinF says:

    Again the Leafs get talked about here frequently, always when they do something spectacularly bad, which happens far too often.
    I’d like t say I’m completely surprised but I’m really not. I never dreamed it would be this bad, but like I said before I can count on my hands the number of truly good games the Leafs played from start to finish this year. They simply are a terrible defensive team that got excellent goaltending most nights and have enough offence to out score most teams all things being equal.
    Carlyle has to take most of the heat, the team hasn appeared to have a clue how to play in their own end since his arrival and from what my amateur eyes can tell few adjustments have been made. While there is plenty of offensive skill up front the group lacks grit, Bolland and Clarkson were brought in to help in that area and bombed horribly, one because of injury and the other who knows? The defence is bad Phaneuf has been mostly good despite being terrible lately. Over worked in my opinion and the addition of a top pairing D must be the top priority to help ease the tough minutes Phaneuf plays night in and night out. Rielly has the potential to be a star but needs experience. Gardiner is talented offensively but I have deep reservations about his defensive game and his on ice decision making. He is likely to be the main piece moving along with the surprisingly high pick they are going to have, maybe they will win the lottery! A number 1 center like Spezza or Eric Staal would be ideal but it’s unlikely to be feasible in terms of both cap and what would have to given up to acquire that asset.
    In short the Leafs rode a lot of luck and great goaltending to some nice winning streaks. When the luck goes against them their terrible team D bites them on the ass every time.
    As rotten as it’s been I gotta shake my head and laugh that’s what it is to be a Leaf fan for 50 years, it’s not life or death. Who knows it might be a blessing in disguise, this Lewiecke guy seems to demand results and obviously isn’t afraid to make bold even spectacular type moves going to a interesting summer for Canada’s team for sure and as always there’s next season on the horizon shortly.

  2. KevinF says:

    Oh and Bruce I’d say it’s three years in row they came unglued don’t forget the were in a solid playoff position, and then the infamous 18 wheeler collapse happened. A very fragile group to be sure leadership adjustment is needed from top to bottom.

  3. Bruce Garrioch says:

    I am shocked. I really am. I thought they were there. I thought they were competitive. I really felt they may even win a round or two. The atmosphere seemed to have changed.

  4. Dale says:

    Canada’s team? Not in the West they are not. Canada’s team just won gold in Sochi.

  5. Bobby Goodman says:

    Wasn’t it amusing that the Clown Prince of HNIC would call out a Red Wing for not brutalizing a Leaf as they both pursued the puck in the corner in last nights game (I think it was Tatar). Dum Cherry showed clips of how Boston (who never lose, but lost to the small, cowardly habs recently) and in paricular Lucic finish checks. He stopped just short of identifying the Wings were shot on Canadians, soft and cowardly. They handed his Leafs another loss.

    IMHO the Leafs failed this year for a few reasons.

    Carlyle was brought on board by Lord Burke. Burke believed he could recreate the Stanley Cup winning Duck team in Toronto. He even added a defenceman and a goaltender. But he couldn’t and Getzlaf and Perry. Nor could he have Kunitz, the Finnish Flash, Parros, May, Moen and Thornton and he didn’t have Neidermeyer and Pronger. The Ducks were big, intimidating, talented and had great goaltending (if someone dared to go to the net). Carlyle won a cup with the Ducks but even Maclean or Clouston would have done the same. It was silly of Lord Burke to think Carlyle had anything to do with the teams success. Didn’t he and Lupol not get alone? In Toronto he has chased good players away. He has discouraged and belittled others. He kept some in the minors who should have been promoted. He has ostricized others. But in spite of all the Hog Town hype, he wasn’t a teacher, mentor, fantastic at line matching and all the other skills that was reported. He’s simply not a good coach…period.

    The Current GM isn’t really a legitimate GM. He has been a GM in two cities only because his mental…mentor…Lord Burke was fired! He has done nothing when he was in charge. The combination of Carlyle and the GM’s incompetence led to players who made a contrution, leaving the team making contrubutions to other teams. The Carkson signing has been a brutal blunder; when I heard about the numbers bandied about, it confirmed for the reality that GM can be as dumb as spit (it aint their money afterall). To see Clarkson struggle and then force a fight because of it, was sad. But he rich! Most teams are well on their way getting younger, faster, more skilled. Toronto kept Orr, Bodie (who can really skate) and Maclaren. Great teams don’t get intimidated anymore. The Leafs have yet to realize it. It will be interesting to see what will happen in the summer. I am not convinced Bernier is as great as the Toronto media claim and the GM allowed his Coach to kill the other netminders confidence and will.

    The Leafs are primarily a one-line team. Stop Kessel, Bozak and JVR and the chances of winning pretty damn good.

    Will the ownership group make some changes? I Suspect they certainly will. Dandy Randy is gone baby gone. He, like Maclean, can’t make the team play defence. Allowing many shots every game is a recipe for disaster. Nonis is gone too (wouldn’t it be comical if he wound up in Calgary?).

  6. Bobby Goodman says:

    Wasn’t it amusing that the Clown Prince of HNIC would call out a Red Wing for not brutalizing a Leaf as they both pursued the puck in the corner in last nights game (I think it was Tatar). Dum Cherry showed a clips of Lucic finishishing a check and stopped just short of identifying the Wings who are short on Canadians, are soft and cowardly. They handed his Leafs another loss.

    IMHO the Leafs failed this year for a few reasons.

    Carlyle was brought on board by Lord Burke. Burke believed he could recreate the Stanley Cup winning Duck team in Toronto. He couldn’t of corse. He had no Getzlaf, Perry, Kunitz, Finnish Flash, Parros, May, Moen and Thornton, Neidermeyer and Pronger. The Ducks were big, intimidating, talented and had great goaltending (if someone dared to go to the net). Carlyle won a cup with the Ducks but even Clouston would have done the same. It was silly of Lord Burke to think Carlyle had anything to do with the team’s success. In Toronto the DAC chased good players away. He discouraged and belittled others. He kept some in the minors who should have been promoted. He ostricized some. In spite of all the Hog Town hype, Carlyle simply isn’t a very good coach! A good coach can handle adversity, change direction and shares responsibility when thing don’t go as planned. Carlyle never did.

    Nonis isn’t really a legitimate GM. He has been a GM in two cities only because his mental…er…mentor…Lord Burke was fired! The combination of DAC and the GM’s incompetence led to players leaving. The Carkson signing has been a brutal blunder. When I heard about the numbers that was bandied about, it confirmed for me the reality GM’s can be as dumb as spit (it aint their money afterall). Clarkson came with much fan fare with the emphasis on his toughness. He felt the pressue to deliver with led to his stupid 10 game suspension from which he has yet to recover. Toronto kept playing Orr and Maclaren and great teams don’t get intimidated anymore. The Leafs have yet to realize it. I am not convinced Bernier is as great as the Toronto. Reimer’s will/confidence is gone. Kadri is not a player you win hard games with. As much as I am a Phaneuf fan, Lord Burke (don’t you love his hair) didn’t get the the same player who played in Calgary, scored 20 goals and accumulated 100 pims. Phaneuf doesn’t seem to have passion anymore. The Leafs are primarily a one-line team. Stop Kessel, Bozak and JVR and the chances of winning pretty damn good.

    The team is not far off. They have some fantastic young players who need guidance. Getting a great Coach is imperative if they want to move forward and that wont happen util they get a competent GM.

    Will the ownership group make some changes? I Suspect they certainly will. Dandy Randy is gone baby gone. He, like Maclean, can’t make the team play defence. Allowing many shots every game is a recipe for disaster. Nonis is gone too (wouldn’t it be comical if he wound up in Calgary?).

  7. OD99 says:

    I had a post that was waiting for moderation on this topic but now it is gone…not sure why as I don’t believe I put anything in that was taboo.

    Anyway, will keep this one shorter but I am shocked the Leafs have fallen this far – 8 in a row is crazy for any team let alone one with the talent and goaltending of the Leafs.

    Spezza was fantastic last night – has to be the best he has looked all season and that is saying something as he has had a few very good games since the New Year. His patience on that set-up for Michalek was just sick…

    Turris, Mac and Stone look like a great fit together as well…Stone showing his skating shouldn’t hold him back at all. What to do next season if they do sign Michalek and Hemsky? Where would Ryan fit? Would you put him back with Turris or move him down to play with Zibanejad and Hoffman perhaps?

    There is going to have to be some movement of bodies and will be interesting to see who remains…especially if somehow Lazar does make the big club.

    Puempel is lighting it up on the A and that has to make the Sens scouting dept take a breath as with his injuries he seemed to be forgotten as a prospect by many – he is showing so far that his goal scoring has translated nicely to the pros.

    Big game tonight – hoping for a better defensive effort as the Senators aren’t fooling anyone, they are still a nightmare in their own end.

  8. PaV says:

    Kev / Bruce by all accounts the leafs should have (and still may) go deep in to the post season. There is an article today in the TO sun that says coaching isn’t an issue and the players are taking full accountability. We all know how crazy of a hot spot TO is for hockey – if the Leafs miss the post season, Randy will be fired. Its unfair, but it seems that the players have stopped working each and every day. When they took down LA 8 games ago there was nothing but positives coming out of that locker room. They are taking on a Flames squad which are playing the role of spoiler. To take a page out of Dan’s book, the Leaf players will be ‘holding their sticks’ a little to tight and will likely drop their 9th in a row.

  9. Dantheman says:

    Good one Pav. That is another one of those silly sayings which is used all the time if though it was truly some sort of plausible and legitimate excuse for losing. I think the Leafs are holding their sticks too tight but I don’t think they are hockey sticks.

    There is no reason why the Sens can’t run the table. They play Carolina, the Islanders twice, the Rangers, the Devils, the Habs, Toronto and PIttsburgh. It sure would create quite a stir around Ottawa if we somehow made the playoffs. Just think how exciting the game vs the Leafs would be. The way teams like Columbus, Washington, NJD Detroit (despite two recent wins and Toronto are stumbling along, 92 points might be enough to grab the last wild card spot. Too bad Spezza is hurt again.

  10. Bobby Goodman says:

    I’ve had friends ask me to help them with their golf games (I am shy, but will offer some advice when asked…). I’ve been asked to look at their swings but I always them I want to see what the ball is doing after it is struck. 80% of the issues can be identifed, not even looking at the swing at all. It is the same for a hockey team.

    If someone never saw the Sens or Toronto play a game, they only have to see some numbers to figure out the issues. The two teams are very much alike! Both teams can score goals: Ottawa scored 2.86 per game, good for 9th in the league and Toronto is 12th with 2.78. Outstanding numbers! But the two teams share some bad stats as well. Ottawa allows the 2nd most shots per game at 34.9 and Toronto is the worst in the league with 36! It puts a lot of pressure on the goaltenders and when he/they can bail the team out, fingers are pointed and problems begin. Its an old song! It should shock no one their GA is awful: Toronto has allowed 3.09 goals per game, 26th in the league and Ottawa is 29th with 3.27! You couple that with poor PK (Ottawa 22nd in the league and Tornonto 28th and you have a clear picture of what might be going on the ice and behind the bench!

    Montreal doesn’t score near as many goals but allow only 30 shots per game and only 2.54 goals against! They are also good on the PK and look where they are…

    So looking at these numbers alone, not even considering some of the nonsense that went on, what could someone determine. De fence is broke! It takes skilled players to score goals but anyone and everyone should be able to tighten up defencively! That falls entirely on the coach and his assistants!

  11. PaV says:

    Dan the Man! I thought you would have liked that. But in all honesty I have no idea what is wrong with TO. They had a good team. I am sure it’s there somewhere. I am not an NHL GM like some on here but it would have been nice to have more than one Canadian team in the post season. I see what your saying about the SENS could run the table but the chances are very very slim.

    Here is hoping for a win tonight.

  12. PaV says:

    Dan The Man – well the fatigue factor did not kick in with the SENS playing back to back games. Three in a row, a little too late, but nevertheless ill take it.

    Did anyone else notice the similarities between Bobby and “DUM” Cherry?
    1) Old
    2) likes to go on long winded rants
    3) makes up facts to suit his arguments
    4) doesn’t let anyone get a word in edgewise
    5) lives in the past
    ….. I could go on and on and on :-)

  13. Mike8888 says:

    Another win last night. Now they’re only 4 points out of the wild card. Their chances are still slim, but there is still a chance. This could get very interesting.

  14. Bobby Goodman says:

    I thought P/Dubya played another good game (Cowen and TBR are better?). Andy was dandy. Turris and MacArthur are pure theater. But the DAC continues to make decisions that make absolutely no sense.

    He had Philips again on the PP, why? When the team were playing 3 on 3, why not have 2 wingers who can really skate? And why doesn’t he give Hoffman more opportunities?

    Hoffman played with Smith and Neil; for the same reason I never liked Zzz with skilled players, why have a skilled kid with Neil?

    Why doesn’t Hoffman get an opportunity in OT? He is the fastest skater on the Sens and on the ice last night. He loves the puck, has the moves, possesses an outstanding shot and he gets it off in a blink. No he never gets the opportunity but Zzz gets every opportunity to do averything in every situation, everytime! Does the DAC likes his 1 assist in the last 16 games, his 7 goals in the last 56 (last night’s goal was a beauty). Does the DAC like Zzz’s 37% in the face off circle the last 5 games? Maybe winning a draw isn’t important 4 on 4, is it? Hoffman has 67% average at the Dots! Is Hoffman a liability? He is minus 2 after 19 games which would equate to minus 9 after 64; Zzz is minus 14 after 64 games.

    Why doesn’t the Hoff get a chance in a shoot-out, Zzz does? Who is better with the puck, has more moves, gets the shot off quicker? And, who has been a goal scorer throughout their hockey career and who has not? I am quite sure Zzz gets up every morning and pinches himself.

    Why would the DAC have Pageau on the ice in a 3 on 3 situation over Hoffman? I suspect many will agree with that decision too.

    Why would the DAC have Zibanisbad centering Milan and Hemsky? I would have given Hoffman the opporunity. Mike can keep up with them, Zzz can’t. The Hoff is skilled and Zzz most certainly is not. Hoffman sees the ice, is a phoenominal passer, wants the puck, can beat the opposition to it, can beat a player one on one, has lightning quick release and creates scroring opportunites so why not not try him in the middle and in the middle with Hemsky last night? Potsie and Brownie did a 2.5 hour long Zzz (and Stone) promotion last night. They were again awful and shameless.

    Hemsky said Spezza’s the best center he’s ever played with (that must upset most Sens fans!). In 665 games, Hemsky has 489 points (-46), he’s averaged .73 PPG and .47 PPG this year with the Oil. I suspect he really likes the .93 PPG playing with Spezza. It’s fascinating how the skilled NHL players appreciate Captain Spez but writers, radio personalities and loyal Senator fans don’t?

    I listened briefly to Simmer, I couldn’t take too much. He loves Zzz, Pageau, Stone but thinks the team should lose Spezza (he thinks they wont win with him but never says why). He wants to sign Hemsky (-46 lifetime). To him, Zzz and Karly are winners (wasn’t Spez responsible for the only GA last night?). It is no wonder the ex-NHL executive, is an EX-NHL executive.

  15. Dan the Man says:

    Bobby, you are spot on. MacLean’s decision making and line combinations seem to defy logic, common sense and hockey intelligence. Personally I don’t think he is sharpest knife in the drawer. Then again, he is the coach of a professional hockey team and earning millions.

    I can’t listen to Simpson anymore. He is all over the place and I am sure he must be paid by the word. What do you think Bobby. Do you think running the table is plausible?

  16. PaV says:

    Oh-no! EK was nominated for a Masterton Trophy by the local chapter of the PHWA. I can’t wait for the rants on how the media doesn’t know what they are talking about and how they are sucking up to “Karly”. I can’t wait for the +/- stat that seems to only apply to “Karly” to come out in full force. I cannot wait to hear the rant about how “Karly” took too long to come back from injury because he is soft.

    Congrats to EK for the nomination. Hope he takes home the trophy. Wait, that must mean I am wearing my rose colored glasses and waving my pom pom’s.

    Mike8888 – Still a massive longshot yes, but hey at least they can try to finish strong. I like the way they managed to play after back to back games. They came out strong. Cam Ward had a solid game and so did Anderson. Turris had chance after chance but he wasn’t able to bury any of his chances. Milan is starting to pick up his game, but it is after all fighting for a contract this summer.

    Anyone going to be scoreboard watching the leafs game?!

  17. OD99 says:

    Zibby was carried by his wingers last night to the tune of the entire line having lots of opportunities and just not being able to score after Zibby’s extremely lucky (shouldn’t even count it in the stats really) goal. Good thing our useless youngster was able to accidentally put one in though or else being shut-out would be the story today rather than the Senators bringing some of our hopes up (only a handful like it when the Senators win) only to crush them in a couple of weeks.

    Hoffman looked very good again and hit the post after a few nice moves – I am glad that Z. Smith has someone skilled to play with so he can show off his moves and offensive instincts. I think he must have started to light it up now that he gets a blazing fast winger with an incredible shot to set-up. Yep, he is on fire with 1G & 2A in his past 21 games.

    Stone once again showed he might just be an NHL player. Having such a good head for the game and tenacity on the puck will allow him to keep his spot despite some people continuing to suggest his skating will never allow him to play in the NHL. He reminds me of Fisher how he hounds the puck in the offensive zone (he now has 11 TKA in only 12 games – very impressive) and that is without the natural stride Fish has.

    Wiercioch is at least showing his offensive flair but he continues to be a bit careless in his own end…still, there has to be something we aren’t aware of between him and the coach because it is so odd he hasn’t been given more opportunities this year.

    Still like Gryba too (not sure anyone in the media has told me to like him so I guess I am not really sure…) and have thought he was under rated for a couple of years now. He isn’t a flashy guy at all but he does tend to separate guys from the puck and not give up much in front of our net.

    Once again though the Senators gave up way too many good scoring opportunities and a ton of shots.

    Kind of obvious that the Leafs and Senators give up a lot of shots and goals (the media talk about it constantly) so not surprised and hope it gets figured out by the Senators in training camp next year. I think another addition on the blueline would help immensely.

  18. Bobby Goodman says:

    Pav, do you even know what the Masterton is for? If you did, you would understand only a handful are actually eligible. Is he worthy of a Masterton nomination? By definition, of course he is! Will he win…who cares! Most fans I know don’t really give a damn and I suspect no one knows who won the award last year! If he does win the Masterton, I hope you enjoy it and may I offer my congratulations. Yes Pav, the Sens came out and finished strong beating the 6th worse team in a shoot out, 2-1. You guys were outstanding. You must be tired!

    Dan, just because he is a NHL coach, don’t make the uncritical assumption MacLean is inteligent/competent! Although Davey really likes Yosemite Sam, I think he is an incompetent idiot. Boucher and Dallas Eakin were/are awful. My likeness, Dum Cherry was, is and forever will be as dumb as spit. GMs and Owners can be fools! We are witnessing it on the Island, in Edmonton and here in Ottawa. It really shouldn’t come as a shock, afterall, Ontario had a crazy-ass Premier, we may end up with a dumbass, part time Drama Teacher for PM and George Dubya was the most powerful man in the world. Anything is possible!

    Is running the table plausable? In my opinion, no. But I have to tell you Dan, I don’t really care. Let’s assume they win the remaining games, what will it do besides get a couple of regulars here ha…appy. If there are fans who celebrate the Sens when lose and stink, can you imagine what they are capable of if they if they win and stink! The DAC and DAACs will get support, the same for the GM and his friends. There will be no impetus for change.

    As for Simmer, even though he is a motor-mouth, I thought he offered some great insight on issues associated with the game and beyond. I learned he loved History, I do as well (it was my major). But sadly, ! think he is far more focussed on quantity not quality. Like Galzie, after many words have been spoken, there’s nothing of any real substance. Often, Simmer contradicts himself (Galzie does it even more!).

    I wonder if he was “told”. He’s inteligent enough to know Karly (turn away Pav) isn’t a player a team can win with, but he saves that comment for Spezza. The numbers posted by the Team’s top prospect, especially in the last 3 months have been nothing short of disasterous, but Simmer ignores it completely (as do everybody in the media!). He even made reference to the young WHL junior player making the team next year. All of it nonsense of course. Althoug…..while some have to make the team, a select few are appointed.

    He, like: Dumb and Dumber, Wilson, Y3 (he played in the NHL!), Menzies, the 12 year olds in the morning (and every guest), Murray Wilson (what happened Murray?) and most in the media, have all been absorbed by the Borg. They have sold their collective souls. How else can you explain why they continue to ignore the obvious problems that plague this franchise and team.

  19. Bobby Goodman says:

    Dave, Davey…Davey-boy. Realy? You now add Smitty to the list of players you don’t like? Why, because I like the kid? You do know Smitty has 11 goals to Zzz’s 14, don’t you? You are aware he’s never played with the team’s very best and given every opportunity to produce, don’t you? You know he kills penalties, hits, fights and shows up for ever game, don’t you? You don’t like Hoffman? Wiercoch? Actually son, I like Stone; I just think he doesn’t possess NHL skating skills. He is the 3rd wheel on the Turris line. Unlike Zzz however, he can keep a drive going, goes into a corner, will win a one on one battle and can make a great pass. Did I say something wrong (are you offended again?). Sorry.

    Tell me Davey, are you impressed with Zzz’s 1 assist in 16 games and do you think it will help Hemsky’s line? Has he satisified you request that “show even a little bit of creativity”? Do you love his 7 goals in 56 (fifty six games)! Did you like his goal last night? What about his 37% in the face off circle. His speed, balance, compete…I know you are giddy with the way he “drives the middle”!!!!!!!

    I think the girl who submitted the “Trade Spezza” letter to the editor is you. You’re such a girl. No, I am not misogynistic but you and Pav are misage-ynistic (with the emphasis on Miss).

    Keep up the good work.

  20. PaV says:

    Dan the Man – There is a reason why none of us work for a NHL club. As for MacLean, some of his lines do not make sense, but again, he is a NHL head coach (at least for now) and he did win the Jack Adams (but according to Bobby who will post an insane rant on that comment, that means nothing. Just like EK winning the Norris. Means nothing, unless you are Subban and you won the Norris in a condensed season).

  21. Mike8888 says:

    Random thoughts,
    -the Sens need to resign Ryan and Spezza this summer, if any or both don’t want to resign, the they should be traded. We can’t afford to lose either for nothing
    -Hemsky should be resigned if possible as well
    -Michalek should be resigned, but only if he accepts both a pay cut and a short term contract
    -not sure the Sens had much choice in resigning Phillps, they had to show more class after the way Alfie walked, but they now have too many d, either way, he won’t be the difference in winning or losing
    -MacLean should be given the chance of a fresh start next season, but if the poor defensive play continues, there should be a change

  22. Dan the Man says:

    Tonight is another must win game against the Islanders. Taking into consideration the Islanders are the second worst team in the league, are full of injuries and they must be severely fatigued from plaing last night, our Sens should win easily. If they lose, whether in regulation or in overtime/shootout, I would fire Murray and MacLean right after the game, if I was Melnyk.

  23. OD99 says:

    Booby, really?! Where did I say I don’t like Smith? I didn’t at all. You must not be totally honest with all of us on here because whenever I simply bring up statistics you jump to conclusions about whether or not I like a player.

    I guess some of the stats that the players you have a crush on have accumulated aren’t quite what you expect? You sure do get defensive when faced with your darlings true numbers. I did not offer comment, simply stating facts.

    Here are a few more for you:

    Z. Smith has played 11 more games than Zibanejad so far this year
    Z. Smith plays 1 minute more per game
    Zibanejad has 10 more points than Smith (7 more PP points)

    How, when I say how good Hoffman has looked game after game do you possibly come to the conclusion that I don’t like him? Because you have reading comprehension issues.

    And once and for all get it through your thick head to your pea brain. Nothing you say has ever or will ever influence my thoughts on any person. You decide based on a person’s name if you will like them or not – I look at the relevant factors.

    We do like some of the same players – Spezza, Turris, Smith, MacArthur, etc…but it has nothing to do with what you think of them, it is just a happy coincidence.

    Stone is a 3rd wheel? Well I guess if the rookie 21 year old isn’t the best player on the ice he can be considered a 3rd wheel to some but to my eye, he has looked surprisingly good. There aren’t many players who can be close to 1TKA / game but he does have 11 after 12 games (interestingly Hoffman and Hemsky are close as well). The Turris line has looked more dangerous since Stone was added than they had in weeks.

    I am a girl? Good one Bobby, keep showing us your maturity and true colours – it gets uglier each day.

  24. Bobby Goodman says:

    Never said Karly winning the Norris was nothing; it’s somethin’Pavvy! I have said I prefer defencemen who can earn points, be pysical and pay attention to their position like Suckubban, Doughty, Letang, Weber, Pietrangelo, Keith, Touba and the list goes on.

    I suspecty Karly will not be a finalist for the Norris this year, if that were to happen, what might be the reason do you think? He says he’s not 100% and if he’s talking abouth his Achilles, it is hogwash. How exactly is he not whole (besides a missing heart)? I prefer Defencemen, players don’t “relish” playing aganst like the do Karly. They can go in his corner, stand in the crease, beat him on the outside and he will offer a kind smile and fee pass. I hate when small players like Gerby, Galagher, Ennis, Johnson show more courage and easily beat him off loose pucks or retrieve them from his corner totally uncontested (when Methot isn’t doing it for him of course). But thats just me Pavvy.

    As for Coach of the Year, it is another award I don’t care at all about; there have been too many bums who have won to take it serously. Its like the Nobel Peace Prize: Yes Yourassisfat won one! Personally, I think the Jack Adams shoud be presented once every 3 years, then a Coach will have earned it. These are just my opinions and unlike you, I can forge my own.

    Mikey, as a fan of hockey, I hope Spezza stays in Ottawa but I suspect that isn’t goiing to happen. I don’t think he will accept less than what he is making and the Owner wont even try. I am sure he will be traded for picks and we fans will hold on for yet another rebuild watching players Davey loves: Cowen, Zzz, Karly, Da Costa, Pageau, Greening, Condra, Neil…Philips et al. Spezza holds all the cards if he stays healthy, look what Lecavalier got! If you were Spezza, would you want to stay and continue to get all the abuse? I see him going to the US west coast. And he will be missed by this hockey fan.

    I am not so sure about Ryan. We are on the outside looking in, making assumptions. I don’t know if we can legitimately say his very poor performance of the last 2.5 months was based on an injury. It could be, but I don’t think so. I am guessing but I suspect he will want to go to home to Philly where he will make a lot of money. I love the kid, but he’s anther who isn’t blessed with speed.

    Hemsky is a player the Oil coudn’t trade. If he could be counted on the make an effort every night, I would definitely want to sign him but again, how much? If he stays and Spezza goes, his numbers would plumet, he would be forced to play with Zzzzz. Right now Hemsky’s motivated, he’s playing with the Spez?

    Milan’s numbers have been falling, I don’t know how reliable his knees are or how much or little he would accept next year. He can still motor but his game is way off.

    The Sens showed no class? Annika did? Good God Mikey. As for TBR the GM certainly had a choice; every player’s career comes to an end!

  25. PaV says:

    Pav, do you even know what the Masterton is for?

    Bobbi yes I know what it is for, but I highly doubt you do. Do you know anything about what you post? I suspect you don’t. All you do is sit here and repeat the same stuff each and everyday. Its ok. I know its hard to move out of the past.

    You keep proving my point (aka Pavvy) – you are nothing but a long winded old man who can’t come to terms with the fact that the game has long passed you by. You are reaching for some glory days like a washed up AHLer who sits down each and every night re-living his glory days when people actually knew who you were.

    OD/Mike888 – the SENS could run the table. The chances are slim, but hey, as a true fan, we can always hope.

  26. Bobby Goodman says:

    Tell me Davey, are you impressed with Zzz’s 1 assist in 16 games? Has he satisified your desire for him to “show even a little bit of creativity”? Is this the stuff of a top line center, someone to get an opportunity everytime the have a man advantage or go into extended play? Do you love his 7 goals in 56 games? What do you think a Centerman should do besides “drive the middle”? Shouldn’t he be better than 37% in the FO circle? What the hell is it you like? If Smitty was given the opportunities afforded Zzzz, he would have 20 goals in the same number of games played. What do you think Zzzz would do if he was stuck with centering Neil and Greening?

    The Hemsky, Michalek line (Zzz was a 3rd wheel) finished the night even in the plus minus last game but the line scored a goal. Why? Were they on when a goal was scored against? Was Spezza responsible…again? Was a single player responsible Davey? It is Indeed there was and it was another one of Dave’s Faves, Karly. It is my contention this happened more than once this year. You must have been very proud of Karly’s performance. You would never admit it but again he was nothing short of horrendous, so much so that even Dumb and Dumber had to comment. They felt compelled to qualify why he stunk again, “he was tired” but played 27 minutes! Was he embarrassed at all by his performance? Not at all. His team mates worked hard for two points, Karly didn’t give a damn.

  27. OD99 says:

    Mike, here are my comments on your thoughts.

    1. Agree Spezza should be resigned and I hope it happens this Summer. Only trouble is he has chronic back issues so if you spend to what he may deserve you are on the hook for a lot of money and potentially limited return. Still, he is the captain and one of the top offensive talents (and faceoff men) in the league.

    2. If Hemsky can be had for a reasonable amount, I am all over it. Think Spezza would take a home town discount if it helped sign Hemsky? He give the offensive speed and skill to make two legit scoring lines.

    3. Not as sure about Michalek…if this is the new and improved Milan (and there is reason to believe he could just be coming in to his own after knee surgery in the off season) then I think keeping him makes sense but again the money has to be right.

    If we did keep Hemsky and Michalek then next year we could see the following:

    Hemsky / Spezza / Michalek
    MacArthur / Turris / Ryan
    Hoffman / Zibby / Stone
    Neil / Smith / Greening

    It would mean that Condra would be gone along with Kassian though, no big loss to me. It would also mean that Lazar is sent back to junior and while he most likely won’t improve that much down there I don’t think he can be sent to the A, either big club or junior.

    4. Philips was a weird one but I do think he would have received a similar if not better deal on the open market and with the youth on the back end for the Senators having some consistency in personel and a veteran presence can’t be bad. If he slots into the 3rd pairing he should be just fine.

    5. The team D has been an issue for many years and it was sort of masked that our team doesn’t defend well when the goalies were playing lights out. I think if we have the same issues next season while also having some improved D then serious consideration has to be taken to remove MacLean. I am hoping for a change in the assistants this year.

    I outlined some changes to the forward lines but next year could see some significant change to the blue line as well.

    With Boro most likely penciled in due to his 1 way contract next season and with the emergence of Claesson there will be a glut of D. I have no issue with Claessson being in the A for another year to continue his development but we can’t keep all of the D we have now.

    Methot / Karlsson / Ceci / Wiercioch / Philips / Cowen / Gryba plus Boro / potential FA / Claesson…that is 10 D and only 6 spots to play.

    Karlsson / Ceci are the only two that I would say are sure fire to be here next year as I believe everyone else could be in play for a trade but next year will be a lot of competition to make the team.

    Hope the boys turn it up a notch for tonight and make this one a laugher – adding a bit of pressure to the teams above in the standings is a good thing…this final run is at least making the end a little more interesting.

  28. Bobby Goodman says:

    The game has long passed me by? It what way has I allowed it to pass me by Pavvy? The players today are better than they were in “my time” whatever that time may be. Athletes get bigger, stronger, faster better all the time. Unfortunately, dumbasses like you don’t get more smrtere. You and yor peeps simply accept it all, never ask any questions ansd assum that because someone holds a particular position, they are doing it right. You don’t have a curious cell in your body. “Curiosity is one of the permanent and certain characteristics of a vigorous intellect.” I suspect you are far removed from an intelectual. You could be described as a Lemmingectual?

    I am a fan of hockey first and a Sens fan second, it allows me to appreicate great players beyond the NCR; is that living in the past? I enjoy watching Turris, MacArthur, Spezza and others on the current (per)version of the Ottawa Senators! Some of my favourtite players, exist in this time line: Crosby (who you don’t like), Malkin, Neal, Thornton, Burns, Seguin, Benn, Duchene, Doughty, Skinner and many, many more! I suspect you know very little about some great players playing for other teams but I am sure you know Karly’s favourite shampoo, cologne, colour and of course all about his cigar.

    Every day is a glory day for me Pavvy and you now what…I don’t need Karly or the Sens to make it possible! Your and your team mates are in your glory years missing the post season 3 times in the last 6 years! In a way, you have it so much better than I do, ignorance truly must be bliss!!!! But if that is true, you have to ask yourself Pavvy, is it folly to be wise? Youth is wasted on the youth…my gradfather said it to my father, he said it to me and I say it to my son and I say it to you. I should add that it is time you grew out of your hero worship…don’t you think? Too soon smrt…….to late wise!

  29. OD99 says:

    Yes Booby I am ecstatic and impressed with Zibby having 1 assist in 16 games. You got me, I love that part of his game just like I love his 7 goals in 56 games.

    I am not going to bother looking that up but if it is true then do you not love his 7 goals in the 9 other games he played? That seems like a pretty good run to me?

    His poor face off percentage is another reason I just LOVE Zibanejad, nothing I like more than a centre who can’t win a draw. One thing to note on that is that almost all young players struggle in the dot – even the sensational Couturier is just barely ahead of the horrible Zibby in that stat. Just like the amazing Couturier, who has played with skilled wingers all season, is 7 points ahead of the terrible Zibby while playing 10 more games and about 4 minutes more per game.

    Black and white again. A person either loves a player or hates them and you feel YOU get to decide how that shakes out – too funny.

    I have answered most of your same old questions again – do me a favour and either read what people write, or just stop asking the same questions over and over again. You can go back and see the answers any time you want.

    Karlsson has been awful in his own end most of this season and the last few games have put an exclamation point to that fact. I am not afraid to say it at all but once again – you post about how terrible both he and Karlsson (among the others within the org you despise) are here 5 times a day and I am not really interested in riling you up any further, not sure you could take it.

    Out of the draft class that Zibby was in (’11) clearly Landeskog and the Nuge are the tops and then it starts to get really close.

    Huberdeau has a few more points than Zibby, Strome hasn’t really made the NHL yet even though being drafted by a weak Isles team. Larsson has bounced between the NHL and AHL despite being on a similar team to the Senators in NJ that is “re-tooling”.

    Scheifele certainly came into his own this year playing 2nd line minutes with good players and was progressing welll until his injury. That pick was panned by almost everyone and the Jets faithful booed the selection because he was ranked much lower than where he was taken.

    Zibanejad was a bit of a surprise too although he had started to climb the rankings just before the draft and was taken on as a “project” because it was known he had raw skills.

    Couturier is close too. Depsite playing a full 82 games more than Zibby he has 6 more goals and 27 more points.

    I had said since day 1 my preferred pick was Dougie Hamilton as you can never have enough good D and I would suggest he is close to Landeskog and the Nuge now for tops of the draft class.

    I don’t love Zibby but I understand he is young. You want to write him off that is your prerogative and you might end up being right but to be so rude and obnoxious because some of us want to give some kids a chance to prove themselves is ridiculous.

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