New Game Seal causes confusion

- August 16th, 2012

 

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Hunters have been left scratching their heads recently after receiving the new 2012 Deer Seals.

 Replacementseal

(Photo of replacement seal and license should you accidently void your first one)

The new format – which includes a removable plastic deer tag – may take some time(& extra $$) to get used to. Be careful not to remove it as there is a $10 fee to have it replaced.

 

There is also some discussion about the MNR’s new cost-savings measure of outsourcing the tag allocation to the United States.

 

Give us your thoughts!

 

Outdoorsguy

The MNR have just provided me with this info. to help explain the new tag design:

 

 

 

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86 comments

  1. GPG says:

    You almost described my truck, with the longer box and truck-cap. Mine is the XTR 4×4. It gets me there and back, with all the comforts I need. Plus, I can sleep in the box when I travel alone! Did I mention I love my truck? haha

  2. GPG says:

    Really though, do you need the top part if you have the bottom tag? Considering you are no longer hunting after having tagged one.

  3. Trapper says:

    Short answer GPG Yes.

    Both pieces make up your licence to hunt. If you use your tag then if you party hunt under the authority of someone elses tag then you’ll need this top part to prove that you are licensed…

  4. Trapper says:

    QUOTE ALAIN “I agree with you that it’s written right on it…. but for the last 10+ number of years we have had a way of doing this… you would think that the MNR could have included a little “NEW THIS YEAR” flyer / publication in the envelope or on their website for old grumpy people like us that don’t take a look at the fine (“or it isn’t that small”) print on our licence. Even the reps for the MNR weren’t even aware !” END QUOTE

    I agree with Alain 100%…

  5. mcdan says:

    Some sort of memo with the tags would of been the logical thing to do alright. I wonder if anybody at MNR knew anything about these new tags, and if they didn’t HOW SAD is that. Wow, next thing you know game wardens will be from the states!!!! What our provincial government is doing with this department the last few years is sickening, and it seems to be getting worse and worse.

  6. Rick Poulin says:

    mcdan X2

  7. johan says:

    Yeah, maybe a New this year flyer would have been in order along with making the internal staff and the retail outlets aware of the changes. The purchase of the license was different this year so that was the first indicator. Be assured that when everyone gets used to this system they will change it again. Our Provincial Government has messed up far more than just this but I am sure they will find a way to blame Mike Harris.

  8. Iggy says:

    mcdanX3

  9. jeff.morrison says:

    Ok..from here on out, he will be known as “mcdan squared” or “mcdan cubed”

    Outdoorsuy

  10. jeff.morrison says:

    Btw, I am waiting for a response from the MNR (Head office) regarding this whole tag confusion this year.

    I am hoping they get back to me with some clarification/explanation in a timely manner…and I will, of course, be passing that info. along as soon as it becomes available..

    Here’s the letter I sent:

    Good Morning:

    There has been a lot of discussion and concern on my Ottawa SUN – Outdoors Guy Blog of late regarding the MNR big-game seals this year, and the new format being used.

    It would appear that many hunters in Ontario are confused by these new tags and I wondered if, perhaps, someone in your department could respond with some clarification.

    There is, as you will read, also some genuine concern over the tag allocation process and the fact that it now appears to be outsourced; with tags evidently being issued from the United States.

    If it would possible to address some of these concerns, I know my readers would greatly appreciate it. The public is aware of the budget cutbacks experienced by your department, but there remains a real sense of frustration out there. A quick note (or press-release) of explanation would surely go a long way towards mending some fences..

    Here’s my Blog Post in question:

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/outdoorsguy/hunting/child-injured-in-bc-cougar-mauling/

    Best regards,

    Jeff Morrison – The Outdoors Guy
    http://www.ottawasun.com/author/jeff-morrison

    The Ottawa SUN
    http://www.ottawasun.com/blogs/
    Outdoor Sportsman
    Bounder Magazine
    Outdoor Canada
    CHEZ 106 FM

  11. Iggy says:

    don’t hold your breath
    they don’t mind keeping an eye on what you write but don’t expect prompt answers

  12. Hunting mom says:

    It would only be common courtesy and respect for the taxpayer to notify license recipients of new
    procedures…

  13. mcdan says:

    LOL i’ve been called a lot of things but never “squared” or “cubed”
    Another thing we should be asking ourselves is were is our money from fishing, hunting licences and outdoor cards going?

  14. mike jones says:

    i can’t see why we as canadians have to go to the usa to get our tags done this is really stupid i bet mcdumbass has something to do with this

  15. Iggy says:

    QUOTE
    Hunting mom says:
    August 26, 2012 at 7:45 am
    It would only be common courtesy and respect for the taxpayer to notify license recipients of new
    procedures…
    =============================================================================
    hahahahahahahahaha

    as if
    we are a cash cow, nothing more
    and you’ll like the rules and shut up

  16. Iggy says:

    any word on if there is a Valley Hunting and Fishing Show in Carp this fall?

  17. Ken says:

    I would expect that if an explanation bulletin would have been issued it would have negated any cost savings they would have expected to realize with this new tag issuing system.

    What I would like to see is the so-called savings they expected by changing the issuing system verse the old.

    I would expect the biggest revenue they are looking forward to is the new fines they will be able to issue when the tag is mishandled. More so because of the top section which was garbage and tossed in the past when a game seal seal was used

  18. Trapper says:

    So Mrs Trapper volunteered to get the new licences (I guess she didn’t want to risk having my hunting privileges suspended….). Total cost for 4 licences (2xdeer and 2xmoose) = $21.00. (so that’s $5.25 each)

    Must say that was rather painless….

  19. jeff.morrison says:

    Iggy, the Valley Gun & Hunting Show is on this weekend…and is featured as the top story in this Thursday’s Outdoors column.

    Outdoorsguy

  20. johan says:

    Jeff, nice letter but you have a better chance of instigating world peace. The Gov has to take more from the rural population so they can continue to fund promises made to their fan base in the GTA. The same morons who believe banning bullets would stop gang violence.

    Ken, I don’t believe they had fines in mind when they did this. They didn’t think of an explanation bulletin because they just don’t look that far ahead so don’t give them too much credit for devising a revenue generation strategy. Besides, they laid off all of the COs quite a while back.

  21. chessy says:

    with the new licences come change. we should have all realized this when it changed. I am just as guilty as the next as i almost took my tag apart as well, but it is right there is black and white or should i say black and chartruse?? the tag/licence tells us exactally what to do and it is our own falt (mine included ) if we do something stupid with our tag lol if they had sent a letter with it explaining the new system how many of us would read it, i know i would not getting your tag in the mail is like being a kid at christmas rip open the paper and get to the toy store the tag away in your hunting gear and dream of hunting…. ..ps the salmon are in the river big time at the ganaraska river…

  22. Trapper says:

    Wait till you see the replacement tags. They are different again and come complete with a tie wrap to use to fasten it to the animal…….Pics to follow.

  23. jeff.morrison says:

    Trapper, the photo of your replacement seal and license is now posted above..thank you.

    Outdoorsguy

  24. Alain D. says:

    RE: Replacement tag. why a tie wrap? does the replacement seal not come with a peel back such as the orginal one where you fold it in half and and it sticks together.
    what’s the tie wrap for?

  25. jaye says:

    Alain, the tywrap is for attaching the seal too the animal. There are two perforated holes in the tag and you pass the tywrap through the tag and onto the animal. It is just like the turkey tags i used this year. Major pain in the a@#. Heading out to the gun show this weekend. Looking for a 20 gauge for my daughter. Anybody have a Mossberg by any chance that they use? I have been a Remington man for years, but the 870 express is not what it used to be. Any input would be helpful. Thanks

  26. chessy says:

    that will also be the seal for you people that did not apply for anterless deer as well (for the guy that walks into a store and bys one before the season starts

  27. Alain D. says:

    thanks Chessy and Jaye…

    To be clear; if you applied and received it in the mail you will get the type that has the sticky back
    For all others (replacement or “walk-in”) you get the one with the tie wrap.

    What about for the bear licence? is it with a tie wrap also?

  28. Trapper says:

    Quote JAYE “the 870 express is not what it used to be.” END QUOTE

    The express is exactly that. An Express. A cheaper model of the Wingmaster. You won’t be disappointed if you stick with the Remington Wingmaster.

  29. jeff.morrison says:

    jaye/trapper: I have an old wingmaster 20 guage I’ve had for years and it’s incredible…my oldman has the matching shotgun in 12 guage.

    Sorry though..not for sale.

    Outdoorsguy

  30. jeff.morrison says:

    Ted Nugent’s appearance on TV Show Pigman..heard about this yet:

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/outdoorsguy/hunting/ted-nugents-pigman-appearance-brings-mixed-reviews/

    Outdoorsguy

  31. Pink guns says:

    OK, so how do we find out if it is an antlerless tag? Both the tags I have have a #12 in the right hand corner (like the one in the picture) but no where does it say if it is for antlered only, antlerless, or antlered or antlerless. So, how do I find out? A friend of mine has a number 14 in his right hand corner on and a 12 on the other (not sure if it was additional or controlled tag). Anyone have any idea the answer to this one???

  32. Alain D. says:

    pretty sure the “12″ represents the year 2012.

    If you had a doe tag it would be written as shown in the picture above… If blank; you MUST only harvest a buck.

    puzzled why your friend would have the “14″ instead of “12″ on the right hand side…

  33. jeff.morrison says:

    OK Folks, here is the response I received from the Ministry of Natural Resources regarding Tag allocation and their new outsourcing policy:

    Q(Outdoors Guy): There is genuine concern over the tag allocation process and the fact that it now appears to be outsourced; with tags evidently being issued from the United States”

    A(MNR): “Although your readers will receive big game draw tags mailed from Tennessee, I want to assure you that the Moose Draw and Anterless Deer Draw are administered, controlled and allocated by MNR staff in Ontario.

    MNR has contracted with Active Outdoors to print and mail the tags but the tag allocation process remains in MNR’s Peterborough location and remains unchanged.

    But want to assure you the Ministry’s Outdoor Card Centre, which has provided assistance to anglers, hunters and issuers since 1996 is still located in Peterborough and staffed by Ontario public servants

    Jolanta Kowalski
    Sr. Media Relations Officer
    Ministry of Natural Resources

  34. Herman Baguss says:

    What was wrong with the old validation sticker and tag system?
    What really cheeses me off is when people, and that goes for not only the government, change things for the worse or for no significant improvement.
    Usually with the government it shows someone in the works trying to justify their job….

  35. Tim says:

    The MNR website tells me that both my son and I where successful in the antlerless draw but neither of us have received our seals as of Sept. 8,2012. I know they have the right address because I received my new outdoors card about 2 weeks ago (purchased same time as entering the draw). I have friends that got their seals a month ago. Any suggestions? At any rate I have never had this problem before and I’m not impressed with the “improvements”.

  36. j messacar says:

    what happened to buy canadian and canadian jobs. what about the mom and pop stores where we bought tags before and supported our local people. the Peterborough office ran out of tags for the mailed in apps and the said you come in and we will hand indorse your buck tag. what about the person from Thunderbay. they said you have to come here for the indorsement

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