Bear found tangled to Hydro Pole

- June 11th, 2012

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Hear about the bear found tangled to a Hydro Pole in Northern Ontario?

Here’s the story from the Toronto SUN:


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/11/baby-bear-found-strapped-to-pole-in-northern-ont

Outdoorsguy

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35 comments

  1. Alain D. says:

    hey.., that is really close to our Moose Camp… more and more bears sightings around the Big Nickel. We usually try and harvest one during the moose hunt. Bear meat is so delicious! :o)

  2. BlueGood says:

    1 – There are too many black Bears in OntarI-Owe because of the Political move years ago to cancel the Spring Bear Hunt.

    2 – It does not say where the wire around the cubs neck came from..did it get caught in a fence? (were the kids just trying to immobilize the cub while they went for help?)

    3 – They should have just released it and let Nature take it’s course.

    4 – Of course the kids should not have been after the other, however…I refer to to above # 1 and suggest these boys may be well aware of the over-poopulation of bears in their area, and were in their way trying to do something about it as their Provincial Gov’t clearly gets their Wildlife Policies form PETA and RADICAL LEFTOID KOOKS!

    Either way rest assured, the Leftoid Guilt ridden Humans will be out in force on this one!

    LOL… I can hear them already…….”BAN ALL KIDS”!

  3. Iggy says:

    We don’t really know the full story so I’ll hold my comments on this specific event
    What we do know is that there are way too many bears and the MNR continue to tell people it has nothing to do with the spring bear hunt cancellation. They say that the number of bears taken in the spring were insignificant and had no real impact on the total population. If that was true, and if they aren’t lying through their teeth, why cancel it, if it was insignificant

    Someone, possibly a child, is going to get injured or worse, killed by a black bear in Ontario, and the blood will be on the MNR’s hands

  4. Rick Poulin says:

    Iggy it is not the MNR it is their political bosses. The PCs for the original ban and the Lieberals for continuing it.

  5. jeff.morrison says:

    This bear cub incident in Sudbury is a strange and isolated case… but it does allow for open discussion on the spring hunt, which is the reason I posted it.

    It would seem we’ve beaten this topic to death over the past 13 years and still nothing has changed…

    Here’s a question for everyone..how is that the Province of QC can manage a big-game species like the black bear without caving to political pressure like we did here? I’ve worked with Wildlife agencies on both sides of the river and, trust me, neither one is perfect.

    The difference is: Yes, QC took away the fall bear hunt around the same time ON cancelled its spring season, however, when it was apparent that bear numbers had increased in many areas in subsequent years..the fall hunt was slowly reinstated across much of the province. Some areas are limited to bow and crossbow today, but at least there are hunting control measures in place. The ‘controlled cull’ in the Outaouais region of the early Millennium was eventually replaced with a complete fall and spring season within Zone 10.

    You would think ON could slowly reintroduce some spring hunting opps..even if it was bow-only in the beginning. Everyone knows a spring hunt is “THE” time of year to best-manage this species.

    Outdoorsguy

  6. jeff.morrison says:

    Oh, and of course with the Provincial Budget cuts this spring, the ON Bear Wise Program was slashed from 48 Bear Officers to 21 across the province, in an attempt to save $50 Million.

    What this basically means to ON residents is there’s now less than half the number of wildlife techs available to trap and relocate problem bears.

    Just prey you never have a serious bear encounter and need to call upon this service.

    Outdoorsguy

  7. GPG says:

    The nuissance bears in the northern communities continues to increase every year, yet the regulations continue to go unchanged, leaving the residents defenseless against a large and potentially dangerous animal.

    I spoke to my brother from Timmins on the weekend. He told me this year is by far the worst he’s ever seen for bears in the city. Apparently they are everywhere, even in the garabege stored outside on their propeties. He said they are also reproducing like never before. It is now more common to see two cubs with the mother rather than only one, which was the opposite in the past. The mothers are also much yonger than before. The population continues to increase, the food sources continue to dwindle, so the bears go to town for their groceries. Something needs to get done.

    On a side note, what if these nuissance bears were stray Pit Bulls? The solutions would be dramatically different.

  8. jeff.morrison says:

    GPG wrote: “On a side note, what if these nuisance bears were stray Pit Bulls?”

    Well man, if they were located in Ottawa still nothing would be done!! That ON Pit Bull ban is a farce around here..talk about a law that isn’t enforced!

    But I digress…

    GPG, you bring up a very important issue which, as we’ve seen, will only get worse. It won’t be long before these infamous ‘bear dump’ images will be popping up everywhere!

    Outdoorsguy

  9. Iggy says:

    For anyone wondering what the solution is, open the spring bear hunt and encourage people to take up spring bear hunting again
    A lot of the people in Northern Ontario that used to hunt bears spring and fall have quit hunting them. I’ve heard it over and over, “to hell with the Ontario government, they want to use us like pawns in the hunt/anti hunt debate, they can go find some other sucker”
    So a lot of the hunters have stopped hunting bears. I know guys that won’t even shoot a bear anymore when they are moose or deer hunting, and that used to be a big deal. Look how many times you used to hear “ya we got a bull and a bear” or “3 deer and a bear”

  10. chessy says:

    Why should we?? Hunters have been cleaning up our government’s mess for years. First and foremost our bear population may or may not be out of control, we don’t know for a fact that it is, why? Because our government does not know how to manage that recourse, then it was our deer herd out of control they managed it like they would a sale at Wal-Mart sell sell sell they sold so many tags and guys shot so many deer that soon our herd was in trouble, YOU can not manage a deer herd in Ottawa the same as you do north of Toronto hell you can manage a deer herd the same even if it is 20 miles different the land and food is different. Then we get into fish. We have a electronic counter at the ganaraska fish way, it says that 5012 fish made there way above the dam in 2010 by the time the lake Ontario management unit plays with the numbers it is not 9210? HOW? Cause they need the numbers to play with and justify there jobs, when questioned how they get there numbers they say scientific data???(We the volunteers give them the data) And what is the difference if 5000 or 9000 fish go up stream to spawn (are you kidding me that’s 40% difference) they say it makes no difference in managing the recourse??? Now from what I hear they are stopping the nose tagging and fin clipping of salmon they say it is to costly (the USA supplies the main personal of the machine and the mnr supplies the grunts for this job) MY connection tells me the only reason why they are stopping this form of system is because they (salmon) are naturally reproducing in great numbers, now there will be No way of telling what is stocked and what is natural there fore keeping hatcheries open and producing (baitfish in the forum of baby salmon) and wasting money breeding fish that will not mature or be eaten by a far superior natural fish. The mnr is so fubar the only way to make a change is to god forbid let something bad happen It is the only way the every day person will realize that something is wrong, such as orange, ad scandal, and e health, people don’t care until it effects there pocket books. Again why should we keep banging our heads and getting know where, let mother nature decide the fate of our hunting cause the mnr sure aren’t helping and neither or other so called conservation organization

  11. GPG says:

    Haha, good comeback for the Pit Bull law. You might have got me there, but I meant to make a relation between the efforts and attention stray animals get compared to wild animals. Both are very dangerous, yet the larger wild animals seem to get ignored.

    The Spring hunt would certainly help in controling the ever increasing population of bears. More importantly, it would certainly help in restoring the fear of humans the bears seem to have lost. Especially in the spring when they are restoring the loss of weight during hybrnation, and the feeding of their bubs. These bears are learning from the first day of their lives that food can be safely found in populated areas. They are becoming more like raccoons in their search for food.

    I agree Iggy, during my moose hunt last year in northern Ontario, I was the only one of 6 hunters with a bear tag… I figured I’d get one just in case I came across a bear. When I told them, they all kind of looked at me funny and dismissed it hahaha. I’ve had bear meat and I loved it.

  12. Alain D. says:

    GPG,
    I agree with you bear meat is excellent!
    We harvested our first bear during a moose hunt back in 1999. The reason we harvested a black bear was because one of the hunters in our group was into that type of hunt. After tasting that bear, we were all stunned on how delicious it was and how much we loved it. We have been lucky enough to see and harvest a few more over the years and it has become one of my favourite Ontario wild meat. I must say that the smaller bears were tastier… lots of marble in the meat. Now I am not sure if a big old bruin would be tasty. The largest one we bagged was 145lbs and the smallest one was about 85lbs and they were all very tasty. Not sure if it’s because of the Sudbury blueberries that make them that good but I like to think that it is. :o)

  13. mike jones says:

    on sunday morning heading out of almonte i observed a very large black bear along march road near golden line i have seen him there quite a few times i bring my camera with me always just for that reason will, try to get some pics for you jeff

  14. jeff.morrison says:

    Not all camp members are eligible to apply for the antlerless deer tag(Because they aren’t residents of QC) – myself from ON and a fellow from the US, for example..but we all split-in on the cost of the tag draw every year.

    Of course, the BIG difference in QC is the inability to Party Hunt…and trust me, you NEVER want to push your luck with that either. I know a fellow from back home who was caught filling another camp member’s tag after his deer was already registered. The fact that it was the end of the season and they only had but one deer in camp didn’t matter to the CO. He was charged with hunting deer illegally and fined over $500 if I recall.

    I doubt that rule will ever change in La Belle Province.

    Outdoorsguy

  15. jeff.morrison says:

    GPG, I was just pulling yer crank, I knew exactly what you meant. I think that perception diff between wild and domestic has a lot to do with ignorance. Most people don’t understand wild animal behaviour and it scares them. Since we, as humans are expected to control our domestic animals more…folks speak out more openly when it comes to a family pet. What most people don’t understand is that we need to exert some ‘control’ over the animal world as well. When left alone they just do what comes naturally which oftentimes creates conflict with us humans.

    We are actually doing them a favour by practising wise wildlife management..yet the antis think we’re just playing God. Oh well

    Outdoorsguy

  16. jeff.morrison says:

    Hey mike, I think Mrs Outdoorsguy has seen the same bear.

    Last summer, on way up to our trailer, she just about plowed into a big black bear with her van…it ran across the hwy about 75 feet from the March Rd exit at around 1:00 PM!

    I guess that one has nine lives…oh yeah, and if you get any pics of him please send them in!

    Outdoorsguy

  17. jeff.morrison says:

    Chessy, all that is a pretty sad state of affairs…but is there any hope for improvement in the future??

    Was just speaking with another guy(like me) on weekend with a strong background in Natural Resource Management..who never got into the field fulltime. Most of us were being ‘groomed’ to work for the MNR at the time, but majority never made it there.

    Except for a few small contracts with them and volunteer work in College years ago, I didn’t make it either. I feel verrry badly for any lads taking F&W, Forestry, Aquaculture, etc these days..with almost NIL opportunity for a career with MNR.

    Outdoorsguy

  18. jeff.morrison says:

    Iggy, what about Northerner and where he lives…are there still quite a few people hunting bears up there in the fall?

    Outdoorsguy

  19. chessy says:

    Well Jeff the new manager for the lake ontario management unit is by trade and education a economist, how can you manage a resource by being a economist and the new fisheries biologist for peterbough district specialized in school for a mice How does a person get that job.. we had her at the fish ladder and she did not know what a adipose fin was or what a pectoral fin is… here is a prime example of fubar… two years ago they came out with wanting to reduce the limmit to rainbow trout to 2 fish instead of five they had a number of consultations a EBR but wait for it here it comes they forgot to add it into the bill to send to legislation to get passed (HOW ) if that were any normal job you would loose your job over it ( i see now why it happened this is my own opinion only ) the new lake ontario manager is a boat fishermen and has lots of friends on the west end of lake ontario in the fishing business heck this year there is going to be all 3 lomu boats on the west end doing a creel census that is why there was no money to monitor the rainbow run on the ganaraska river ( the ganaraska river is the only river they do a major study on to gauge the health of the rest of the lake rainbow run species . I have questioned the new manager in a open form in oshawa and the manager literally yelled at me and the moderator had to stop him and move on to a new question .. the top dogs of the mnr have there pet projects and WE are suffering

  20. GPG says:

    I like that idea of sharring a bear tag among the group. I believe none of tham have even tried the meat, and they live up there. Ah… thinking of the fall hunt already and my eyes just sort of glaze over and my mind wonders away.

  21. keebler says:

    wow! I hadn’t heard of this one!

    The person who tied the bear up was injured – what an idiot. big or small, it’s a bear! duh!

    I hope the parents of those kids find out what they were doing and get a whooping. Kids are kids, but it’s a good lesson to learn that messing with nature isn’t the way to live. I can’t even imagine what we’d be talking about if Mama had been around.

    Alain, you are right – bear is fantastic! We’ve been buying tags too. I won’t hesitate if I see one.

    As for the bear spring hunt, it’s obvious numbers are up, but the antis think it’s b/c we are infringing on their space more than anything. I don’t buy that one – in places which haven’t grown at all, bears are coming more into town. There’s been a few lean berry years, but for the most part, they’re not in starvation mode. Just too many I believe. I know an outfitter who says there are plenty of bears around…more than there used to be. Good for him of course – no worries on filling his tags. He says his problem is more the hunters being crappier shots than they claim to be. lol

  22. johan says:

    Our moose group always has a bear tag or two. Big bears don’t get big eating roots and berries, they are eating protein in the form of moose calves. A few years back the first two guys into the campsite on our spring trip into Algonquin park had a cow and a calf go right through the campsite on Opeongo which was odd that the cow brought her calf towards the campsite and through. A few minutes later they noticed a big bear standing down the beach where the moose had come from so then they realized why the cow likely did what she did. The next afternoon we were fishing not far from the site and watched a cow (no calf) swim across the bay. Not sure if it was the same cow but if it was the calf was being processed into scat. I expect that a large bear would eat a few of those in a spring no? I like bear meat, but I like calf moose better so please save the moose!

  23. jeff.morrison says:

    johan, interesting story and I would say it’s very likely the bear did end-up getting that calf. I’ve heard a stat mentioned that in the north woods of ON & QC, an estimated 30% of all moose calves are taken by black bears each spring.

    I would think that number probably fluctuates but it does give you an idea that a good portion of calves become bear bait! Moose biology (& the mother) take care of the newborns as much as possible..making them almost odourless and camouflaged at birth..mom also works hard to clean-up the birthing site and to remain as low-key as much as possible in the early days of the calves life..

    But there’s still no fooling a predator with an acute sense of smell like a black bear!

    Outdoorsguy

  24. Iggy says:

    FROM THE FILES OF IDIOTS AND MORONS

    TORONTO – Councillor Adam Vaughan stuck to his guns Wednesday with a call for a Toronto-wide bullet ban.

    Everyone from Mayor Rob Ford to federal Public Safety Minister Vic Toews lined up to blow holes in Vaughan’s idea after he fired it off this week.

    But the Trinity-Spadina (Ward 20) councillor said it just makes sense for the city to ban bullets.

    “If we can eliminate fertilizer and pesticides, if we can ban plastic bags and shark fins, surely something as dangerous as a bullet — something that has caused countless harm, suicides, domestic disputes, hurt police officers and been fired in public spaces — surely to goodness we can find a way to regulate those uses,” he said.

    As for hunters that live in Toronto, Vaughan says, “tough.”

    “There is no need to store your ammunition in Toronto,” he said. “Put it at the cabin, buy it at a sporting good store on your way out of town. There is no need for anyone to own, possess, use or play with bullets in Toronto.”

    Ford said this week that the city shouldn’t be punishing hunters for gun crimes when gangs are the problem.

    “It’s not the hunters (that are the problem), these are gangs and I wish we could get the guns out of the city with respect to these gangs,” Ford told reporters.

    Vaughan blasted Ford for protecting hunters.

    “If Mayor Ford is interested in protecting hunters, maybe he should go run and represent a municipality in rural Ontario,” he said.

    Councillor Peter Milczyn, chairman of the city’s planning committee, said while it could be possible to use a zoning bylaw to prohibit bullets, he doubted a ban would be effective.

    “The bad guys are going to be the bad guys,” Milczyn said.

    Toews said Vaughan’s push to ban bullets was “a misdirected effort.”

    “The issue isn’t the legality or illegality of bullets or guns,” Toews said Wednesday. “The issue is these guns in the hands of criminals. That needs to be stopped.

    “Our focus has been on focusing on those individuals who, in fact, are breaking the law.”

    — With files from Daniel Proussalidis

    Toronto Sun

  25. chessy says:

    Iggy’s post proves my point.. if you have people like this running our cities and making laws, how can we manage our resources it is absolutely impossible there is also a artical in the ottawa sun about boating and not one mention of boaters license… another great tax grab but wait. if you rent a boat you do not .. need a license..

  26. jeff.morrison says:

    Chessy, you mean I got my Pleasure Craft Operators Card for nothing??????

    Outdoorsguy

  27. jeff.morrison says:

    Keebler, I wondered where you’ve been? Hey, seen any deer around?

    Around my place all the deer seem to have disappeared…haven’t seen one in over a month, and none on the trailcams either…although I did see a coyote yesterday afternoon standing along the edge of a field on Frank Kenny Rd…just standing there yawning away, the bugger!! Guess he was all tired from chasing the deer around.

    And he better watch himself..he wasn’t in the ‘no firearm discharge zone’ either!!

    Outdoorsguy

  28. Rick Poulin says:

    I just heard on the radio that a bear was hit on Moodie.

  29. jeff.morrison says:

    ok Rick, that’s not good!

    Outdoorsguy

  30. keebler says:

    Iggy, I sent that moron an email within a heartbeart of seeing that article. Google’d his name and found his email addy. what an idiot.

    Jeff, busy with work, kids soccer, wifey to do list and oh, being patient while she attends her golf tourneys (and secretly noting the days so when it comes down to my hunting time discussions ;) lol

    Haven’t seen them lately, but i was seeing more of them around earlier in the spring.

  31. GPG says:

    I was wondering, if this bullets ban was passed in Toronto, would it include Police officers?

    I read an interesting article to day reagarding the Long Gun Registry. Vic Toews has tabled a new regulations which would prevent retailers from collecting data from buyers. As it is now the RCMP’s Chief Firearms Inspectors (CFO) have distributed a requirement for retail operators to continue collecting names and addresses of buyers, with the threat of revoking their sales licenses.
    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Tories+seek+prevent+back+door+long+registries/6777886/story.html

  32. jeff.morrison says:

    Another story with a weird fish twist:

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/outdoorsguy/strange/quebec-women-in-thailand-poisoned-by-fugu/

    Outdoorsguy

  33. sue says:

    I am very upset with the cancellation of the spring bear hunt…this is a disgrace…the damages and the killing that these bears is undescriable….There are so many more bears now they are not afraid of the humans or yelling at them…they just look at you….and also they come in the night and destroy your property. The decision should be reversed therefore the bears can again go into hiding and be afraid of us. The results are also many deaths….many haven’t been solved due to the fact I bet the bears ate them. I have lived in the country for many years and now I have seen more bears everywhere destroying cars, siding on homes, sheds…And the consumer again has to pay out our pocket. The government makes rash decisions and never looks what the end results are. Always looking after themselves….maybe one day they will meet a bear and they won’t be so rash about making decisions based on SOME of the bad hunters. Yes there are some….but there are also bad ppl in the government and everywhere else. Why do the good always have to pay for the bad.

  34. jeff.morrison says:

    Well Sue, the sad reality of ON’s cancelled spring bear hunt lies in the fact that government officials(at the time) simply caved to pressure from Anti Hunting groups!!

    There are many folks who would agree with you, and still more who live close to the land as you have…and they’ve witnessed the aftermath of this rash gov’t decision. More and more bears every year!!

    At least in Quebec when they closed the Fall bear hunt, the gov’t had enough sense to reinstate those seasons as bear populations began to flourish…I suppose we’ll be waiting awhile longer before Ontario comes to that realization.

    Thanks for the comment and please drop-by The Outdoors Guy Blog anytime… conservationists need to stick together.

    Keep fighting the good fight!

    Regards,

    Outdoorsguy

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