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Let’s talk about the monarchy and Canada: Young Grits

- January 3rd, 2012
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Should Canada rethink its ties with the Queen? The Young Liberals of Canada want to at least discuss it. (Photo: Suzanne Plunkett/REUTERS)

Grits will be discussing their ties to the monarchy at the Liberal Biennial Convention, Jan. 13-15.

Resolution 114 – titled Canadian Identity in the 21st Century – calls on the party to form a committee to “study the implementation of instituting a Canadian head of state popularly elected and sever formal ties with the British Crown.”

The resolution, from the Young Liberals of Canada, says this needs to be discussed because, “Canadians believe in earning one’s position in life and not being simply born into privilege,” and, “Our head of state should be a true representative of the People of Canada.”

People commenting under the resolution on the convention website have mixed opinions.

“I find that we as a country have many other issues to fix before we tackle something as divisive as this,” John McCulligh wrote. “When and if we have another national referendum on any issue perhaps this could be an added question, till then let the status of the GG remain the same. Liberals following such a vote would then have the mandate. We Liberals face a huge challenge in restoring the faith of the nation to our party. Adopting a resolution such as this is counterproductive at this time.”

Meanwhile, Ameya Pendse was “very happy” to see the resolution.

“I hope that this resolution passes. It’s sad that a Canadian cannot be the head of state because they are not born into a special family across the Atlantic Ocean. Such a position should be earned not inherited. We should no longer support an institution that is undemocratic, sexist, and that discriminates against most religions in the world. It’s time we become a Republic,” Pendse wrote.

Some also took to Twitter to discuss the resolution.

My favourite reaction so far has been from Monarchist League of Canada chairman Robert Funch, who tweeted, “Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.” (That was cut and pasted to ensure I got the correct number of ooooos.) Whether you agree with him or not, a long “boooo” is at least good for a giggle.

The Monarchist League of Canada also tweeted the founder of the Liberal Party, George Brown, was a “committed monarchist.”

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21 comments

  1. N. Attica | January 9, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Should have dropped the link to the Empire years ago.

  2. Frankie Fontaine | January 9, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Royalty is simply the descendants of the best “Mob” families of their day. They are mere mortals that had the best armies to conquer and did that. Why people want to kiss their butt is beyond me. “Steal a little and they’ll throw you in jail,steal a lot and they’ll make you a King”!

  3. Big Al | January 9, 2012 at 8:03 am

    What do young Liberals really mean. The next generation of a dead party that is being run by young people that have no clue but a bunch of misdirected emotions? Current Federal Government is hated by its employees because they are making them accountable. I feel there is something to be said for tradition and ties. When they need us, there will be a time when they need them. There is no economic gain is pissing someone the Queen. God love her and save her.

  4. Kenneth | January 9, 2012 at 9:23 am

    The Monarchy is a class structure!

    Canada should be a Democratic Republic similiar to the US.

  5. TK | January 9, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    The institution serves no purpose. In fact it contradicts Canadian unity.
    We care Canadian not English.
    Additionally, costs associated with this is better used for needy causes.
    Queen is not a needy cause.
    Get off my back. You are a parasite to 33 million hard working canadians.

  6. James I | January 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Now is not the time to sever the Royal connection! The much-loved Queen has only a few more years of life. Any change should only happen when Charles is King.

  7. joe | January 9, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    The monarchy is built on evil and vile foundations (remember monarchs in history committed evil acts to strengthen their position) and eventually these foundations will collapse.

  8. Mike | January 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    The monarchy are dysfunctional and eccentric because of the bizarre institution into which they have been born.
    Starting from birth royals find themselves constantly in the public eye: they are relentlessly photographed and reported on by the media; they soon learn that they are restricted by constitutional requirements and royal conventions as to who they may marry. Growing up, they are surrounded by sycophants and lackeys whose deferential mindset teaches them that they can get away with almost any self-indulgent and extravagant behaviour that pleases them. The monarchy is as damaging to the Windsors as it is to our democracy.

  9. George | January 9, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses!

    Not from some old feudal institution.

  10. Leslie | January 9, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    A monarchy has no place in a nation dedicated to the principles of democracy and the equal rights of all persons.

    The royals are a family of people, whose ancestors, raped, pillaged, and stole land from people and then called themselves kings and queens, should not be able to live in luxury whilst others starve. They are horrible, selfish, parasites. No person should be considered better than another, particularly because of the family they are born in to.

  11. Mary | January 9, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    A nation such as Canada filled with French, Aboriginal, Hispanic, Asian, Black and Eastern European people, having a British monarchy of white Protestant elites is wrong. It contradicts the multiculturalism that is so integral to our identity.

  12. Mary | January 9, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    The monarchy does not provide unity / stability.

    War of the Roses (1455-1485)
    The First English Civil War (1642–1646).
    The Second English Civil War (1648–1649).
    The Third English Civil War (1649–1651).
    The Monmouth Rebellion (1685).
    The Glorious Revolution (1688).
    Battle of the Boyne (1690)
    Seven Years War (1754-1763)
    American Revolution (1775-1783)
    First Boer War (1880-1881)
    Second Boer War (1899-1902)
    The Irish War of Independence January 1919 – December 1921
    The Irish Civil War June 1922 – May 1923
    WW1 (1914-1918)
    WW2 (1939-1945)
    Thirty years of violence in N Ireland
    Terrorist attacks in British cities (August 2011)
    Scottish vote for separation May 5 2011

  13. Ted | January 9, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Cut the monarchy and you gut the core of Canada’s roots, history and traditions. Its part of our identity. And I’m not even of British origin. Strip it and we will have to start from scratch.

    It seems like some of the commentors here were sleeping through history class…showing a total ignorance of our parlimentary system, its executive and legislative branches.

    We should become a democratic republic like to US? No thanks….just look at the mess their political system is in. As soon as the president is sworn it, they begin the election campaign for the next….4 years of trying to get elected while the government goes into a state of paralysis. No thanks..I love our system.

    One comment says it contradicts Canadian unity. Do you have any idea how divisive such a debate would be to Canadian unity?? Pitting province against province? Just look at how seperation referendums have split and divided French Quebecers…and thats just in one province!

    Our legal system (treaties, deeds, laws, Acts etc) is so intertwined with the queen’s name that it will take years to undo and make thousands of lawers very rich…now we’re talking about parasites!!

    And one commenter called the monarchy ‘parasites’. Get your facts straight first. The monarchy generated tens of billions for the British economy just as Hollywood does the same for the US. The Royal wedding alone generated $3 billion this past summer and brought in 500,000 tourists (to Canada alone…mostly from the US) here. The Queen’s 60th anniversary this year will generate another $4 billion (these are published numbers…look them up). Not bad for a bunch of ‘parasites’.

    So now the Young Liberals want to stir up this crap? Why don’t they get their act together and rebuild their party? How about dealing with other real issues instead of tinkering with our stable government. Oh…I forgot…these were the same bunch that tried to hijack the election….against Canadians’ wishes.

    Leave the Monarchy alone and tackle the real issues that our hampering our growth…healthcare, pensions for an aging population, crumbling infrastructure, a rising China.

  14. Shawn | January 10, 2012 at 3:17 am

    There is nothing wrong with tradition. There is nothing wrong with remembering our history. That said, just because it’s been that way for 140+ years does not mean it’s still relevant.

    A tradition should not be continued just to “keep up traditions”, circumstances have changed and the justifications to keep this tradition no longer apply. We might still tradition of “Duelling”, to solve problems between “gentlemen”, if we kept up all traditions.

    We currently have a “majority government” that 60% of voters did not vote for, that is cheer-leading the monarchy, spending money on royal visits, new paintings, more prominence of the Queen. I hope all this attention helps make the clueless a little more aware, and get them thinking about the fact that we have a foreigner as our head of state.

    Elizabeth has been there for many of us all our lives, after a while we tend to lose perspective and forget that she is there, he has been “low key” in her politics, so we don’t notice her. What will the next monarch be like? Charles has been very politically influential in the UK, pushing his agenda, swaying politicians .

    Would it be acceptable for the pope to rule over all Canadians? As the head of a major religion that would be a conflict of interest, but that is the situation we have, the monarch is the head of a major religion.

    Canadians are no longer exclusively from “British” or “French” ancestors, we are a mixture of people from all different heritages, we need to take the final step to independence from the UK, and have a head of state that can represents all Canadians, all our values and all our heritage, not just the values of one family, one heritage, one religion.

  15. ADHope | January 10, 2012 at 7:38 am

    The monarchy symbolizes much of what is wrong with Canada.

    Monarchists believe that we are unable to have our head of state and need a hereditary foreign monarch. This reflects a lack of confidence that is evident throughout Canadian society from our economy to our culture. Especially under the current government (the most monarchist by far since Diefenbaker’s) where we have become an economy based on digging things out of the ground and have stopped all attempts at being leaders in innovation.

    Dropping the monarchy would be the last step in a very long road to independence for this country. It would also free us from our psychological bonds born of the colonial mindset. The dropping of monarchist symbols in the past (Canadian flag instead of Red Ensign, O Canada, instead of God Save the Queen, Canadian citizenship instead of subject of British Empire) was accompanied by a new self-confidence in Canada.

  16. Marty | January 11, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    A monarchy has no place in a nation dedicated to the principles of democracy and the equal rights of all persons.

    The royals are a family of people, whose ancestors, raped, pillaged, and stole land from people and then called themselves kings and queens, should not be able to live in luxury whilst others starve. They are horrible, selfish, parasites. No person should be considered better than another, particularly because of the family they are born in to.

  17. DJ | January 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    The newly elected constitutional assembly in Nepal voted to abolish its monarchy, with a large majority supporting the vote in parliament.

    “The Nepalese people have been freed from centuries of feudal tradition and the doors have now opened for a radical social and economic transformation,” said a government spokesperson, commenting on the decision. The former king, King Gyanendra has been given two weeks to leave his palace. Authorities say that he will be forced out if he fails to leave during that period of time.

    Jamacia is the latest to dump the monarchy and more will follow.

  18. DJ | January 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Throughout history, monarchies have been abolished, either through revolutions, legislative reforms, coups, or wars.

    The twentieth century saw a major acceleration of this process, with many monarchies violently overthrown by revolution or war, or else abolished as part of the process of de-colonisation.

    The twenty-first century has already seen several monarchies abolished, usually by peaceful means in a referendum.

    Since 1970, twenty one countries have abolished their monarchies.

  19. Cans | January 12, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Dropping the monarchy doesn’t mean we lose our history. Even in the U.S, they have celebrations of colonial heritage to this day. We still will in Canada.

    Monarchy is unnecessary.

  20. CanadianTired | January 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Support Canada’s republican movement.

    Here’s their Facebook page:
    http://www.facebook.com/CanRepublic.RepubliqueCan

    and website:
    http://www.canadian-republic.ca

  21. Jon | January 21, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    We “should” and please do write our local MP’s to push to abolish-”get rid of” the British monarchy as Canada’s head-of-state. We must push on and not give up to achieve our goals of a totally Canadian head-of-state instead.

    Someone above said they are not parasites because the Royal Wedding generated a lot of money for England-UK. Well we are not England here! The large amount of Canadian taxpayer money spent for Wil and Kates royal visit in July, 2011 at Canadian taxpayers expense is really sickening. Workmen were also hired to renovate a lodge in the Rockies to install a washroom for them. Our Provincial and Canadian govenment officials are falsely hollywood star struck on idol worshiping another human being(the Queen originally wore eye glasses) who was born into the position without earning it. The British Monarchy is false idol worshiping, a brainwashing, a total farce, and a waste of time and tax money on garbage like that. Canadian taxpayers are not responsible to pay massive amounts of tax money for Royal Family(who are not even Canadian citizens) wedding honeymoons, being their children and grandchildren.
    Also:
    http://www.canadian-republic.ca/media_release_07_01_10.html

    Also the earlier heritage of the British Royal Family comes from evil dictators(Kings and Queens with title passed down to their children without election) who were above the law and they sent people to their death(execution) or torture(example: in the Tower of London), at their word, to anyone who opposed them or their rule.=>They were exactly the same as Bashar al-Assad of Syria, Kim Jong-il of North Korea, etc, etc. who hold on to power in their family with an iron fist-sword and also the same as other evil dictators we have send our troups to fight against. This is the earlier heritage-hsitory of the this Family who is head-of-state over Canada who also has to be Anglican by their rules.

    Royal Families are a dime a dozen around the world, and a world of dozens of false gods:
    http://www.nobility-royalty.com/id59.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_royal_houses

    It would very easy to rid of us of the British Monarchy-Royal Family as Canada’s head-of-state do not be fooled. Lets do it.

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